Has it dawned on DUers that the entire reason for the Slobfather's use of Lock her Up

[malaise]

was an inversion of reality. He has always tried to trump up charges against others to deflect from himself.
The mobster has always known that it is he who should have been locked up decades ago
It is even more urgent that he is locked up now

[luv2fly]

1. No different than Republicans in general

You know damn well that everything and anything they accuse Democrats of, it's because they're doing it themselves.

[malaise]

3. Well there is more than enough evidence that it is ReTHUGs who

committed voter fraud and they are being caught.

[luv2fly]

4. Yes indeed, I just wish the news would report it widely

But then again I wish for lots of things...

[DENVERPOPS]

35. Psychiatrists call it projection

And the reason the Repubs do it constantly, is that it works to deflect attention from what they are doing.
The dems have to continually go on the defense, and therefore have no time to do any kind of offense.........
This has been working well for them for decades, along with gaslighting.

Us boys used to do this too! A crude example would be a group of guys standing around and one of them farts.
He suddenly moves away from the others and says: "okay, who cut the fart"
All the other guys start saying: "It wasn't me", and the culprit has made all the others think it was anyone except him.

Just stop for a minute and think of recent examples! The dems are all pedophiles! to put the blame on them, instead of all the Repubs who were buddies with Epstein?......The dems are committing Voter Fraud!, The dems are Tax and Spend, The insurrectionists are True Patriots, and on and on and on and on......

And it appears to be working, over and over and over again.......

It is really quite simple:

1) Anything and everything spoken by a republican is hypocrisy.

2) Anything and everything spoken by a republican is a flagrant lie.

3) Anything and everything spoken by a republican is 180 degrees from the truth or reality.

[smirkymonkey]

62. I always say, when it comes to republicans, every accusation is a confession.

If you look at it that way, they really are so transparent.

[Pacifist Patriot]

70. Exactly!

[live love laugh]

55. 💯

[SheltieLover]

2. Absolutely!

Long past time!

[napi21]

5. I didn't specifically atribuite it to him, but for a long time I realized that the Pubs in general

believe that their opposition does the same things sneaky, dishonest things that they do, they just haven't gotten caught yet.

[dlk]

6. Projection is their stock in trade

They like to blame Democrats for what they’re actually doing.

[Hortensis]

23. Yes. And as said, projection. They also think they're us and we're them.

No dissonance in those minds over pride in their dirty,mean tactics and believing themselves to be the force of good against all that's bad and wrong.

[Blue_Adept]

7. Nah, we're all a little dim here

Though what you're saying was said constantly during 2016 once his campaign really started getting going.

It's all projection.

[Clash City Rocker]

8. It's classic fascism

[malaise]

9. He has perfected it

and so is his party

[Hotler]

16. Yes. A sign of fascism is making someone else the scapegoat or blaming others and how

it is never them doing any wrong.

[dalton99a]

31. +1. Republicans are natural-born practitioners

[Shermann]

34. I believe this is a misquote of Goebbels

He did reflect that "the cleverest trick used in propaganda against Germany during the war was to accuse Germany of what our enemies themselves were doing".

I don't believe a competent propagandist would ever admit to following that strategy.

That said, Bannon did admit to "flooding the zone with shit".

[Hortensis]

71. Lol, isn't the quote classic projection?

At this stage "tear it down, burn it up, take it over" Bannon is proudly owning what he sees as victories, but wait until he's writing his own I'm-not-a-psychopathic-failure memoir.

[gab13by13]

10. They absolutely use projection,

it kind of gets them ahead of the game. When they say that Dominion voting machines are rigged, take it to the bank, that they are honest. Maybe we should look at ES&S machines though because of suspicious results in Maine, Florida, and Kentucky that used ES&S machines.

[Cracklin Charlie]

11. Every accusation is a confession.

Every one.

[MustLoveBeagles]

26. +1

Spot on

[kentuck]

12. He is incapable of accepting uncomfortable truths...

...such as, he lost the election.

Instead, he creates a false reality and gets others to agree with him. Their agreement with him gives him legitimacy in his own mind.

[gab13by13]

14. "False reality" means Lie.

[betsuni]

13. He borrowed "lock her up" from someone else who said she was corrupt.

[stopdiggin]

33. +1. I don't think Trump is functioning

at this level at all. Reciprocity, projection ... ? How 'bout we try an ill behaved 5 year old? I think that fits the picture much more neatly.

[betsuni]

64. The point is that "Hillary is corrupt" preceded Trump.

[Hortensis]

74. It certainly, disgracefully did. "Lock her up" may have been copied

first from tRump and RW populists by some out-of-control LW populists in that election, but it was the passionate wish of all who chanted it.

True-believer extremists in democracies have always first had to defeat the democratic processes and majorities that almost always defeat them.

Stopdiggin, I suspect you slightly underestimate tRump. He's been maliciously slandering and victimizing all his life. He would have learned early to frame others for his misdeeds and took great pride in getting away with it, even if he didn't know the word.

[stopdiggin]

81. 100%

ascribing convoluted motive and strategy here is wrong footing the scenario from the get go.

[marble falls]

15. He's going down.

[Paladin]

18. Sometime in our lifetimes, I hope. (nt)

[malaise]

22. Finally

Can't wait

[Joinfortmill]

17. Yup, he's a walking, talking Projection Machine.

[MustLoveBeagles]

25. His nickname is IMAX

[jaxexpat]

19. TFG has been the exemplar for how entitlement ruins society since about 1980.

It's just that the GQP has convinced itself and suckers everywhere that poor people are the "entitled" ones. So he, because of his easiness with lying and despite his burdensome reputation, is tailor made for the role of propounder for their perverse message.

Legality, lawfulness, peaceful society: none of those things have been part of the GQP plan except as half-baked, tongue-in-cheek pap for conning the masses. They've turned the whole concept of criminality on it's head. They, the worst criminals to show their faces since the Third Reich, want a world where they can predate with impunity. Obviously!

[msfiddlestix]

20. of course... took me a year or two after the shock an awe of his installment

I admit to being a little slow sometimes. This entire thing could be seen as Psy-Ops experiment put into play.

[Wounded Bear]

21. Projection...it's what they do...nt

[lark]

24. Yep, it's been said many times & is always true - he accuses others of what he himself is doing.

He thinks it will distract from his evil - but it doesn't. It just shows what he knows is evil and is putting his traits on his rivals because he's so nasty and inhuman. He even looks vile in every way possible.

[wnylib]

52. Bush Jr did this a lot, too, along with

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singling out people and groups for praise just before gutting their budgets. You weren't supposed to notice what he was doing to them behind the scene while he publicly spoke so well of them.

[lark]

75. Shrub was such a national embarrassment. n/t

[KentuckyWoman]

27. I think it's worse than that.

Deflection ... yes.
Projection ... yes.

Plus I think his Clinton hate is personal. They used to be friends when he thought it was advantageous for him - and he got snubbed.


But also I think the goal of "lock her up" was propaganda for the long game. Oh I don't mean from TFG. He's not capable of the long view. But grabbed by the GOP and catapulted so it minimizes crime. It desensitizes. It creates an excuse on their part to go WAY over the line and then cry "oh you guys just want payback". Not to mention politics of the ridiculous causes people to disengage.

I'm not generally prone to hysterics, but when it comes to the GOP, I've come to believe EVERYTHING they do or say is intended to destroy what few small gains non white males have made in this country. If they hurt white men too in the process, I don't think they care about that either. The goal being personal power and wealth for as far as the youngest of us can see in the future.

[bucolic_frolic]

28. Projection

And I apologize for repeatedly beating this drum, but these tactics were used by the Bolsheviks in their struggle against their political opposition in the 1917 Revolution. Their proclamations, usually issued by posters as well as press releases, would accuse the other parties and then they themselves would do the same thing. It was the political side of their insurrection.

[dchill]

30. Projection is the biggest weapon he has.

Possibly the only one.

[calimary]

46. Don't apologize, and don't stop beating that drum!

Keep it up! Repetition is part of the strategy. You pound it in and pound it in and pound it in, and - well - look at the commercials on TV. You'll see the same damn commercial for the same orange juice or the same nasal decongestant or the same local tire store, in almost every commercial break. Assuming that rate of repetition is AT LEAST once a quarter-hour, or more often twice a quarter-hour; and that you're gonna be watching that show for an hour or that day-part for whatever reason, MAN is that message unavoidable! It's multiple exposures, and it has an impact. And shit, if the commercial has a catchy musical theme in its sloganeering, MAN is that a win! Pretty soon, it's an earwig that crawls in and takes root, and people start humming along or singing the jingle.

[samnsara]

29. yep hes pretty shallow.. what appalling things you see in trump, is what you get!

[spanone]

32. K&R

[ThornSurf91]

36. Winning at all costs

I have a presence in two states (MD and NJ). “Inversion of reality”, while correct, is one of the many examples of a win-at-all-costs behavior. When I watch streaming with ads in both states the ads are exclusively GOP WAAC messages: little to no truth, all on-point emotion based narrative. You get the feeling Dem leaders have not accepted the battle space they exist in. I mentor my young colleagues all the time “do you want to win or do you want to be right? Win first, then fix it.” We can’t even get the messaging out there. Simple example: Repub voters and their takeover of the American flag, many going so far as to add blue stripes, confederate symbolism, etc. even though that is illegal. Dem response? Nothing. Another example: your cable bill subsidizes Fox News Channel (it’s why I went pure streaming). Dem response: Nothing. Can you imagine if the Dem leadership started two simple campaigns:1) give away American flanges with a rainbow stripe; 2) encourage pure streaming. You obviously need clear and emotional messaging but at least you’re trying..

[malaise]

38. Welcome to DY ThornSurf91

I'm not for win at all costs and where I am Fox is an option that I don't exercise

[marble falls]

40. My cable bill also subsidises MSNBC and Rachel Madow and a largley progressive journalism ...

I get goosebumps when I see a color guard. And while it riles me inside, altering the US Flag is a long timed canvas for free speech and it breaks rules but no laws. Quite honestly an auto dealership flying a ragged and torn Old Glory on a non operating flag pole in dark and in the rain pisses me off more than altering it or burning it.

Swastikas and Rebel Rags bug me a lot, but I remember fellow lefties modifying the stars with little swastikas and also soaking soaking flags in blood.

You really want to send a message? Get the fucking vote out for every state and Federal election.

[calimary]

42. Welcome to DU, ThornSurf91!

This is one of my biggest gripes these days. WHERE THE HELL ARE OUR DEMS???? WHY don't they - as you put it - "accept the battle space they exist in"? For Pete's Sake! And they're shitty at messaging. It seems almost intentional! Like maybe it's beneath them or something, not sufficiently ivory-tower-ish. Or something. And messaging is a WEAPON. It's an INFLUENCER. It can mold opinions and change minds and reinforce ideas and steer and direct. And if it's clever enough, or it makes you smile or chuckle, so much the better! Then it'll be that much easier to remember, AND TO PASS ALONG TO SOMEBODY ELSE.

And I don't know why it's not Priority One with our team. My dad had a Vince Lombardi quote plaqued and hung it on his office wall. "Winning isn't a sometime thing. It's the only thing. There's only room for one place, and that's first place."

[Shermann]

37. I'd characterize it as discreditation via bumper sticker

A three-word slogan that discredits your opponent is a useful thing. It's much easier to just assert it again and again than it is to actually demonstrate the assertion. Whether it rises to the level of being a slander or a smear is hard to say, this did in my opinion.

[calimary]

44. Bumper sticker messaging is EXCELLENT!

The quick hit, the Short-Attention-Span Theater tactic. Grab 'em. Fast. So the message hits and takes hold before the target even realizes what's happened. Multiplied strategically by REPETITION of that. RELENTLESS repetition.

[BobTheSubgenius]

39. It couldn't really be otherwise.

It's an "adult's" version of "I know you are, but what am I?

[Kaleva]

41. He tells his audience what they want to hear.

After he won the election, he pretty much dropped it.

[RussellCattle]

43. Just like his constant lying leads him to complain about "fake news" as if.....

.....they were the ones lying.

[malaise]

45. He knows how much fake shit he's pulled off for decades on radio, in the newspapers

and on TV.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

47. He liked it because the chant had three single syllable words,

and they were all in his vocabulary.

[Evolve Dammit]

48. "No, you're the puppet." DJT; "Donald's alternate reality." HRC. Projection vs. truth.

[TeamProg]

49. It's all projection. That's TFG's deal.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

50. A big, fat K&R!♥

[Buckeye_Democrat]

51. There's that, but it was also a "smart" way to...

... attract the right-wing authoritarians (fascists) to him.

I put smart in quotation marks, because I think that TV-obsessed moron was simply imitating whatever he saw on Fox News.

His ridiculous accusations about Obama's birthplace, threats to lock up Hillary Clinton, etc... it was the best way to appeal to right-wing authoritarians. (Many of whom are white evangelical Christians in this country.)

As even more time passed, then "Q" assured them that Trump was going to send all of the Democrats and RINO's to Guantanamo Bay to be executed for supposed pedophilia and drinking child's blood. So keep the faith, right-wing authoritarian kooks!

It's amazing to me how those RWA weirdos allow their fears and fantasies to become reality for them, thereby justifying their own inhumanity to others.

[malaise]

56. Here's one

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215979674

[Buckeye_Democrat]

59. Lol! Suckers!

[Hekate]

53. Always. Every word was projection of his own behavior onto others. nt

[louis-t]

54. His own people say he will run "unless he is in jail."

[malaise]

57. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Can't wait

[louis-t]

58. That was a direct quote. However....

The proper term would be "prison".

[pansypoo53219]

60. using republican lie all the way to white water. THEY are corrupt. ignore us.

[moondust]

61. "Look over there at those criminals!"

"Go get 'em, boys!"

Repeated the stupid mob boss, lifelong crook, and criminally negligent traitor.

Why didn't Al Capone try inverted reality projection?

[Mike Niendorff]

63. There's an old saying...

"Whatever you are doing, accuse your opponents of doing it. "


MDN

[Aussie105]

65. Projected accusations to deflect from themselves?

Easy to turn that around.

"So you think Senator XYZ is a pedophile? I don't know anything about pedophilia, please tell me what you know about this instance!"

"So you think the election was stolen? I don't know anything about stealing elections, please tell me what you know who and how!"

"So you think the virus is a hoax? I don't know anything about such a hoax, please tell me what you know!"

Take notes when they answer, fact check them carefully, then you get back to them.

"I fact checked your claim(s), I think you may be making stuff up. I don't intend to believe anything you say from now on. You are not projecting or being deceitful, are you?"

But back to the slobfather - his words were never meant to convey any actual information or be consistent from one day to the next, they were always meant to elicit certain emotional reactions from those listening.

Those who heard his words and looked for meaning, thought he was insane.

Those who only heard the emotive messages, thought he was a saint.

Put in a situation where it was clear logical thought and speech was the only option, he floundered big time.
He'd say something non committal and go into a sulk.

[malaise]

67. I am still shocked with the way the media allowed him to get away with calling

this deadly pandemic a hoax/ He should be in chains for that alone

[Aussie105]

68. The media went into shock, just like the rest of the world,

and didn't know how to kick back.

It was once again that emotive message from TFG, the pandemic isn't real, it's not dangerous, it won't affect you or your family, or mess up your lifestyle.

Ignore the facts around you, as TFG trained you to do for years, and all is well!

Some out there are still fighting the facts . . .

[malaise]

69. Indeed

[UCmeNdc]

66. K&R

[BumRushDaShow]

73. Welcome back

I think you need some of these -

[malaise]

77. LOL

[BumRushDaShow]

79. She really does need them

[moose65]

76. So true!

Just always remember this:

Every Republican accusation is really a confession.

[Mr. Ected]

78. When will someone in the media (or in the Dem Party) point out the obvious projection

At play here?

There are enough demonstrable incidents to prove the allegations are more than just a fluke.

[Deep State Witch]

80. Um... Yeah

About five years ago at least. The dude is all about projection.