There used to be a lot of hostility here towards Bernie Sanders.

[milestogo]

Now he's being celebrated for speaking the truth.

[luv2fly]

1. Not by all

There continue to be more than a few digs at Bernie, either directly or indirectly when people think they're being cute.

[hlthe2b]

8. Nor me. I supported Biden over Sanders, but I've always both respected and largely agreed

with Sanders. Now some on Sander's team I cannot say the same (a'hole in residence, Nina Turner, Briana Joy Gray, and others).

But, no, Sanders, himself is one I have always respected--and that includes when he ran against HRC. I went with Hillary in CO caucuses, but had Sanders gotten the nod, no one would have been more supportive in the general.

[malaise]

38. Not me either n/t

[MineralMan]

2. Not really. It's just that any suggestion that Senator Sanders

wasn't the best choice as a presidential candidate was interpreted as hostility by some.

[Arazi]

5. Not even remotely true. AOC is treated the same as Bernie

And it has nothing to do with a presidential candidacy.

It's because they don't conform to what party purists demand.

Their "independent thinking" is excoriated and thereby pretty much anything they do is also fair game for attack.

I could go on but this post will already draw an alert for even pointing out that the hostility started from the party purists and not the other way around

[Nixie]

9. This is not remotely true. The election results prove

this completely wrong. The “hostility” is from our party being attacked by their “brand” of purism. These distortions are laughable. There is video, especially since April 2015.

The election results far outweigh any comments here. We can’t comment about the obstructionism happening now, of course.

[PatSeg]

18. I agree

It wasn't really all that long ago that some "purists" attacked the Democratic party on a regular basis as if the party was the opponent, even the enemy. Then they used that same party to get elected. When they work with other Democrats in congress and the administration to pass legislation, of course we are going to applaud them for doing the right thing.

When our adversaries are republicans and fascists, there are times when we have to show some unity and cohesion in spite of our differences. We can agree to disagree and still work together for the higher good.

[SunImp]

27. .

Look at the replies in these threads or this topic headline taking a jab at the Squad https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215760392 and reply 88

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215130096
14 & 20

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215696070
reply 10 & 11

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100215920127
reply 52 & 61


What is the purpose of these replies other than to take a jab or kill the thunder of the people being praised? None of the people being praised here are attacking anyone at that current moment, but some feel the need to throw in needless attacks.
There are many more examples of this type of behavior hidden in past topics, too.

[PatSeg]

39. Unfortunately, some people get stuck in primary mentality

and have a hard time letting go. We've seen this before and I am quite sure we will see it again. I admit that I get a tad bitter now and then over some comments that were made about Biden during the primaries, but I manage to shake it off. I figure if Joe could forgive Kamala Harris over her attacks in a debate and even choose her to be his VP, I can let animosity go and focus on republicans as the main obstacle we face.

This is not the first post-primary season that we've seen this. Some people move forward more easily than others. I've noticed that Ocasio-Cortez and Sanders are doing that.

[SunImp]

41. It is really hurtful to the party to be stuck in that mindset

No matter if it's Bernie or Busters or Anti Bernie/Progressives we need to stop the infighting and focus on the REAL enemy Trumpers who are willing to physically harm innocent people. Words are just words at the end of the day. All this fighting does is just push people away or turn people off like how in the 2020 Presidential debates candidates talked over each other. We just need to find a way to get along until we can get rid of most of the Magats from office.

[PatSeg]

42. Yes, absolutely

The stakes are too high to get caught up in petty infighting. There are undoubtedly many people who are so fed up that they may turn off and tune out completely. Not everyone sees the threats that we do.

[Nixie]

33. True, but Biden's legislation didn't need to be ballooned

to $6 trillion as a pretext to working together. That seems the opposite of progress, especially when it just causes unnecessary delays. Biden’s win was decisive.

[PatSeg]

40. Yes, I agree

Some people know how to get things done in DC and others seem to like to make noise more than pass meaningful legislation. During the Obama years, I got sick of hearing the White House say over and over again, "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good", but now I realize how meaningful that was.

[Nixie]

48. Well said, yes.

[Bettie]

45. Starting at 2t would have resulted

in way under 1t.

In negotiation, starting at "this is the minimum we can take" ALWAYS ends with enormous concessions.

Starting with way more than you expect to get gives you somewhere to go.

Always ask for the sun, moon, and stars, so you can end with the moon and some of the stars.

[Nixie]

47. No, and in reality, it was Biden's 3.5 that was high already.

There was never a reality-based plan for $6 trillion. It was fodder for building a brand, but not passing legislation, and has resulted in unnecessary delays.

Actually, it might have served to give Manchin a reason to delay also. He can be seen in his state as fighting socialism, taking the focus off Biden’s meaningful legislation.

[Bettie]

49. So, no asking for anything but the bare bones minimum

and taking WAY less. Noted.

[Nixie]

51. Conversely, why stop at $6 trillion? Why not $20 trillion,

$25 trillion. Good times.

[Bettie]

52. Well, for your side,

why not ask for fifty bucks and take nothing?

[Nixie]

53. I voted for Biden and live in reality.

He’s my President. That’s “my side.”

[Bettie]

54. So, maybe 50 bucks is too much

maybe ask for a dollar and they'll give you 50 cents?

I voted for Biden too, so, he's also my President, FYI.

I just believe that when negotiating the best start point isn't "this is the very least I can possibly accept". That tends to get one far less than the least they can possibly accept.

[Nixie]

55. How about $30 trillion? Why not start there

and of course you’ll get to the $6 trillion, no problemo.

But thanks for the illustration of the grandstanding that is holding up Biden’s legislation. Bernie is not a shadow president, so focus on Biden’s legislation and pass it.

[Bettie]

57. So, no one should ever speak up except

your personally approved individuals...maybe you should send a memo to congresscritters and senators detailing who is permitted to speak and who must remain silent to satisfy your purity tests then.

It isn't grandstanding, but your hatred blinds you to that fact.

Whatever. I'm done here. No point in conversing with you.

[Nixie]

59. What a joke. Biden's legislation is on the table.

Now you’re on a tangent about who I said to talk to. What??

[PortTack]

26. Think nina turner, cornell west, shawn king..they all supported senator sanders and the things

They did and said towards candidate Biden was really really offensive and at no point just meant to be just a differing opinion within the party. It was calculated and destructive. DU members pushed back against it, and rightly so.

I don’t think anyone here ever had issues with him as a Senator...ever, nor do they now.

[SunImp]

30. Whenever Bernie or the Squad does something positive they get attacked though

I agree those people you mentioned are toxic and not really helping, but not all the Progressives out there are bad people and are Anti President Biden. Whenever they praise Biden or do something positive they get attacked the usual people.

Look at the replies in these threads or this topic headline taking a jab at the Squad https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215760392 and reply 88

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215130096
14 & 20

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215696070
reply 10 & 11

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100215920127
reply 52 & 61


What is the purpose of these replies other than to take a jab or kill the thunder of the people being praised? None of the people being praised here are attacking anyone at that current moment, but some feel the need to throw in needless attacks.
There are many more examples of this type of behavior hidden in past topics, too.

[Hortensis]

12. Well, objections to campaign behaviors such as systematic attempts to deceive

voters into believing Democrats stole dozens of state primaries (a big lie) and attempting to have the popular vote set aside and himself declared the winner (imo, attempted big steal) were also misinterpreted as mere factional hostility by some. I promise they weren't.

[MineralMan]

13. I can't count the number of times I have had good things to say

about Bernie Sanders as a US Senator. Those were always ignored, because I also said that I did not think he would be elected as President, and could not support his candidacy for that office.

For me, electoral politics are about winning elections. It was, and is, my opinion that Bernie Sanders could never win a presidential election. I stand on that statement.

That doesn't mean that I don't like and respect the Senator. It just means that I don't believe he could ever win that office. That is not an attack on him. It is my judgment, based on my experience since the first election I was involved with in 1960.

[PatSeg]

19. Same here

I've admired Sanders since he was a congressman. I appreciated and supported many of his progressive ideas, but I never saw him as a viable presidential candidate. To me, he was more of a firebrand, a passionate activist who brought ideas to the table, often changing our concepts about what was possible. Such people most certainly can help to change the world, but aren't inclined to be elected president.

People like Sanders not only don't get elected to the presidency, they also are not the type of people who make effective presidents. They can usually accomplish far more in congress, local politics, or even the media. We can't all be president, but we all can make a difference.

[Hortensis]

25. Early on I hoped Sanders would be an iconoclast like Warren

whom I could support for president. For me it's never a matter of "liking" a candidate, or physician, personally, but what choosing him or her would bring.

After learning everything I could about him, I doubted he was electable (as he proved to be even with Russia's assistance). Critically, I believed from his long history that he simply didn't have the stuff to be a successful president of any ideology. And the subsequent disastrous populist campaign (and explanation of how he could continue populist tactics against congress from the oval office!) only confirmed that to me.

However, I've never doubted that his passionate commitment to his personal ideology and belief in himself are completely real. At a time when we're in bad trouble because so many lack commitment, those are especially valuable.

[Nixie]

14. Yes, hostility was on full display with all that.

And our party voted against it.

[Gore1FL]

23. Not really. There is a group here that swarms in and shits on any Bernie or AOC thread.

It has very little to do with previous candidacies and much to do with bullying.

[Bettie]

46. Seems to be a serious hobby for that

swarm.

Got to give them credit for their diligence, I guess.

They treat it like a job, one that they are utterly devoted to.

[womanofthehills]

62. Interpreted ??????????

My other half loves Bernie and left DU because of the hostility. We have seen it directed at AOC too.

[Voltaire2]

63. Lulzd.

[Clash City Rocker]

3. There also used to be a lot of hostility by Bernie supporters toward the Democrats

Four years of Trump is enough for most to realize that the enemy of their enemy is their friend.

[Cha]

58. Exactly.. that gets conveniently

Overlooked.

[demmiblue]

4. I have most of the perpetually aggrieved on ignore...

so I haven't really noticed that much of a difference.

[Nixie]

11. Yet you comment excessively about "them"

[MuseRider]

36. Me too.

I had to, I have a hard time controlling myself and the last thing I wanted to be was like they were and I almost became that, got tired of the war until I dropped out of it all.

[Woodswalker]

6. The Brooklyn Jewish guy

Is a true hero in my book. He can't be bought by anyone. God Bless Bernie. I wish he was only 20 yrs younger. Truly love the man!

[Irish_Dem]

10. Yes he is a national treasure. He is not a corrupt senator, he speaks for the people.

[Patton French]

7. What's there to be hostile about?

[Paladin]

15. Pretty obvious you weren't here at DU, during the 2016 campaign. (nt)

[Patton French]

20. You're right

Obviously i was not. Not trying to offend. Cheers!

[Paladin]

22. No offense taken.

That's all I'll say, given that "re-fighting the 2016 campaign" now constitutes grounds for removal of posts.

I hope your stay at DU is as pleasurable as mine has been.

[Patton French]

24. Thank you.

And definitely understand.

[Hortensis]

16. Wellll, it'd be going a bit far to say I now look to him as a voice for truth

even if his current statements often reflect my views.

I pay him the respect of believing he is the person he has always been and believes what he always has.

But what he sees and/or states as truth and what I see as truth have deviated very dramatically at times. Many times, thousands even. I am a liberal progressive Democrat, and that is not, nor has it ever been, practically as bad as being a conservative Republican, "Tweedledum" to their "Tweedledee."

I am enormously grateful that he finally realized we were in danger of falling to a real, far-right, white nationalist revolution after 2016 and has been calling people to unite to defeat it. That's what's overwhelmingly important now.

[betsuni]

17. What?

[Ferrets are Cool]

21. I've always supported Bernie, all the while knowing he couldn't get elected as President.

Or, at least believing so.

[LizBeth]

28. I feel even more intense dislike of the man now than I did in 2016.

[Happy Hoosier]

29. My "hostility" towards Sanders...

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Was and is in direct proportion to his hostility toward the Democratic party and Democrats like me.

[comradebillyboy]

31. I share those sentiments.

[Nixie]

35. +1000

Exactly why the push to revise history, it seems.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

60. Same here

I am not a fan of the Justice Democrats or the Sunrise Movement

[Cha]

61. Amen and Hallelujah!

[ProfessorGAC]

32. Light Years From Accurate

Primaries have always been bareknuckled here at DU.
The last 2 primaries were no different.
There were many here that preferred Sanders in '16 (I'm one of them), but most didn't throw tantrums when HRC got the nomination.
I've been seeing admiration here for Sanders for at least 15 of the 20 years I've been on DU.
Your premise is flawed. Yes, there have been negative reactions to SOME things Bernie has said & done. But, there's never been a general distrust or distaste for him.
Never.

[chowder66]

34. I think this job is very well suited for him and he's really shining bright.

I voted for him the the primary but then came to regret it.
He forever repeated the same phrase throughout his campaign but also maligned Democrats entirely too much in my opinion.
If he had won I would have been okay with that.
I always felt he could be much more useful in a different role and he seems well suited for this one.

[Rob H.]

37. Don't kid yourself

There’s still plenty of hostility here toward Bernie. If you don’t see it, I stand in awe of what must be a pretty thorough ignore list.

[FakeNoose]

43. I've always praised Bernie for his ideals and his energy

... but I've also said that it's his choice to to remain outside of our Party. So why does he think he should be our Nominee? Why should he be trying to lead us, or criticize us. When he joins the Democratic Party, then he has a say, but not until then.

[msongs]

44. independents go nowhere and the big bucks are being a party nominee even if u bad mouth

the party from which u wish to get the campaign money

[Faux pas]

50. He's

THE MAN

[Ohio Joe]

56. Used to be?