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Jilly_in_VA

(9,962 posts)
Sun Oct 24, 2021, 01:03 PM Oct 2021

How working unpaid hours became part of the job

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When Erik took his first job as a junior associate at an international law firm, he knew the normal rules of nine-to-five didn’t apply. Based in Hong Kong, his employer was as prestigious as it was notorious for running new recruits into the ground. Monstrous workloads and late nights were non-negotiable.

“It’s simply a given in the legal industry,” explains Erik. “Generally, lawyers don’t get paid overtime. Very occasionally, I’d have to pull an all-nighter.”

Now working in Beijing, Erik has moved up the corporate ladder. Further into his career, there are fewer workdays that bleed into the following morning. A conventional working week, however, remains elusive. “Working towards 40 hours a week would be a light week for me,” he says. “My hours depend on my clients’ needs – I don’t have the option of working fewer.”

Drawn-out days at the desk quickly rack up. In the UK, pre-pandemic, more than five million workers averaged an extra 7.6 hours a week, contributing to £35bn in unpaid overtime. Now, according to global figures from the ADP Research Institute, one in 10 people say they work at least 20 hours a week for free. On average, workers are posting 9.2 hours of unpaid overtime every week. Across the world, overwork figures have sharply risen in the wake of Covid-19 – with free hours more than doubling in North America, particularly.

Remote working has intensified the problem. The average global workday has lengthened by nearly two hours, and research has shown that most UK employers acknowledge staff work additional, unpaid hours every day. Workers can attribute the uptick in overtime to a loss of work-life boundaries; as commutes, offices and lunch breaks have disappeared for many knowledge workers, so too has the hard line between signing on and off. Inboxes fill over breakfast. Deadlines spill into the evenings. Zoom meetings run into the early hours.

For many workers, keeping switched on beyond closing time has become the expectation rather than an exception. But it’s rarely explicitly spelled out verbally, let alone in writing. Rather, it’s a tacit understanding between employer and employee: forget contracted hours, you can only log off once you’re done for the day.

But how did it get this way – and what happens next?

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20211013-how-working-unpaid-hours-became-part-of-the-job
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It's not just the UK---it's a worldwide thing. In my line of work, there was "compulsory overtime", but at least we got paid for that. There were also classes, papers, inservices, etc., some of which we didn't.

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LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
1. I work 8:30-5. He wants us in 8:15, so clock in. Wants us ready to go at 8:30 so get in 8:05.
Sun Oct 24, 2021, 01:09 PM
Oct 2021

I do not fuckin' mess around. Doesn't care about overtime, and for the first time, I clock in not giving them a minute of my time. I wait until I walk out the door before clocking out and clock in when hand hits that door. They get nothing for me. In the past and especially salary I was always giving my time. Not doing this job mostly because I do not have to. And I get time and half.

GoodRaisin

(8,922 posts)
2. When I was a department manager, I was instructed by my senior management to
Sun Oct 24, 2021, 01:17 PM
Oct 2021

base my staffing needs on a 48 hour work week. All my employees were salaried exempt workers, meaning exempt from overtime laws.

mitch96

(13,888 posts)
3. When I became a salaried employee/mgr my co worker explained it to me..
Sun Oct 24, 2021, 01:30 PM
Oct 2021

You have to get the work done in 40 hours. If you CANT get the work done in 40 hrs, work till the job is done. If you get it done in LESS than 40 hrs, good for you.. If the boss consistently sees you getting the work done in less than 40........ you need more work..
So the mgmnt sees your work load and adjusts it to make you work into unpaid time and they benefit...
Ahh no.. Back to Hourly... I made more money and less hassle. Yes a big turnover of managers..
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Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
4. The software industry was like that in the 80s and 90s already
Sun Oct 24, 2021, 02:15 PM
Oct 2021

No complaints from me as I did very well, but it would never have flown under e.g. EU employment law.

We really need stronger employment laws.

XanaDUer2

(10,638 posts)
5. My former job
Sun Oct 24, 2021, 04:23 PM
Oct 2021

Had the "professionals" considered exempt, but you still filled out a timesheet.

So, you were hourly and exempt.

It was confusing, and maybe not legal.

brooklynite

(94,490 posts)
6. "unpaid overtime" is inaccurate
Sun Oct 24, 2021, 04:30 PM
Oct 2021

Its only unpaid if 1) your salary is calculated by the hour, or 2) there's an official policy that limits the number of work hours constituting a work-week.

When I worked full-time for the Government, I had a fixed annual salary. I spent the hours needed to do my job, including occasional evening and weekend hours. I didn't feel that I deserved extra compensation.

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