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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEXCLUSIVE: Jan. 6 Protest Organizers Say They Participated in 'Dozens' of Planning Meetings
With Members of Congress and White House Staff
As the House investigation into the Jan. 6 attack heats up, some of the planners of the pro-Trump rallies that took place in Washington, D.C., have begun communicating with congressional investigators and sharing new information about what happened when the former presidents supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol. Two of these people have spoken to Rolling Stone extensively in recent weeks and detailed explosive allegations that multiple members of Congress were intimately involved in planning both Trumps efforts to overturn his election loss and the Jan. 6 events that turned violent.
Rolling Stone separately confirmed a third person involved in the main Jan. 6 rally in D.C. has communicated with the committee. This is the first report that the committee is hearing major new allegations from potential cooperating witnesses. While there have been prior indications that members of Congress were involved, this is also the first account detailing their purported role and its scope. The two sources also claim they interacted with members of Trumps team, including former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, who they describe as having had an opportunity to prevent the violence.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/exclusive-jan-6-organizers-met-congress-white-house-1245289/
C_U_L8R
(44,897 posts)Appreciate Congress but we need some real prosecutions.
KPN
(15,587 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Garland seems to find this to be an annoying distraction from his real job.
agingdem
(7,759 posts)so don't assume he's doing nothing because he isn't running to MSNBC/CNN...not everything has to be out in the open...he's allowing the various committees to interview, subpoena, and get testimony...Garland will take his "shots" when he knows he can't miss
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)So there is a public record here, and it is not good.
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)it will be years before the organizers and the Capo get their day. New information is still emerging and the January 6 Commission is where it is emerging from.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)ancianita
(35,813 posts)What do you think should be the sentence for 100 individuals who didn't know each other, didn't communicate, just followed a crowd and were charged with "Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building; Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building; Violent Entry and Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building; Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building"? Are those one charge or separate charges?
Here's justice.gov list (easy for you to access) of who's being 'processed' across at least 20 states. Check it out.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases
It's main justice's federal prosecutors at state levels that handle these. So based on their charges, there turn out to be a couple hundred or more arrestees who are out on personal recognizance ... which is up to the judges. Not any attorney general. Right?
It's not fair for you to equate your knowing nothing with the DOJ doing nothing.
fyi, out of the 113 that have been convicted (a number that increases every single day) the first 20 are at the lowest level of sentencing.
This is building a precedence of rulings that make the punishment fit the individual crime on a case-by-case basis.
No person acted alone, and yet the harm to the capitol and the People's Congress were greater than the sum of their individual actions, but each and every one is tried for their individual actions. Because the whole ended up being a collective act of sedition and insurrection, doesn't mean each individual's actions can be charged with sedition.
There are still 318 indicted by grand juries that are in court or still have to go to court.
I'm no lawyer, but given the unusual number of charged persons -- 649 -- this lowest group fit the pattern of the FBI's and DOJ's up-the-chain method of prosecutions and sentence recommendations.
triron
(21,916 posts)Garland is the Neville Chamberlain of our time.
KPN
(15,587 posts)from Garland to date doesn't give me an abundance of confidence; it seems he is giving the relative lack of bipartisanship in the Jan 6th and other potential "TFG" criminal investigations too much weight in the face of the current risks our democracy is facing.
A measured approach is always a good thing -- in a "measured" or secure or normal environment.
We are not living in a normal environment today -- by any measure!
Not only the House Committee, but DOJ needs to get involved in this immediately as well.
certainot
(9,090 posts)their involvement would likely involve career people who would not get barred again
there probably be a lot of establishment republicans in there but the protrump contingent is minimal now and on notice if still there
unfortunately because dems and progressives continue to ignore rw radio there are a lot of dumbshits who think trump is still a thing even tho his red velvet bandwagon limbaugh is dead
Not only the House Committee, but DOJ needs to get involved in this immediately as well.
Dorian Gray
(13,469 posts)has to be one of the informants. Hahahahahahha
Would be funny if Ginny Thomas was the other.
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(9,777 posts)mcar
(42,210 posts)but this is big.
CatWoman
(79,283 posts)the entire Rolling Stone article came up for me.
AllaN01Bear
(17,383 posts)Lasher
(27,501 posts)No paywall at RollingStone.
mcar
(42,210 posts)orleans
(33,987 posts)RussBLib
(8,985 posts)Then they sure fucked up. Didn't achieve hardly anything at all. Not very "organized" I'd say, despite attacking the Capitol from multiple directions. Clowns in action.
Maybe they did get away with something, or some goods of some kind, that hasn't been revealed yet.
agingdem
(7,759 posts)was the whining and finger pointing and the inability to accept responsibility and blame.....not our fault, not what we intended, Ali Alexander....stoking a murderous insurrection?..never!...this is like the idiot kid throwing a come-all party when the parents are out of town and 300 kids show up and the idiot kid is shocked when the house gets trashed, the yard is destroyed, the pool is on fire, the family silver disappears..not his fault, not what he intended ...
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)CatWoman
(79,283 posts)they know they are guilty as hell.
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)any guess what will be said tomorrow's new's ???
lastlib
(22,981 posts)I can wait that long!
Then lock 'em up in a dungeon and seal the door forever. Nothing too harsh, of course.....
IronLionZion
(45,261 posts)many of us saw it. People have archived the posts and send it to the FBI.
CatWoman
(79,283 posts)Along with Greene, the conspiratorial pro-Trump Republican from Georgia who took office earlier this year, the pair both say the members who participated in these conversations or had top staffers join in included Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.), Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.), Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.), Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), and Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas).
We would talk to Boeberts team, Cawthorns team, Gosars team like back to back to back to back, says the organizer.
And Gosar, who has been one of the most prominent defenders of the Jan. 6 rioters, allegedly took things a step further. Both sources say he dangled the possibility of a blanket pardon in an unrelated ongoing investigation to encourage them to plan the protests.
Our impression was that it was a done deal, the organizer says, that hed spoken to the president about it in the Oval
in a meeting about pardons and that our names came up. They were working on submitting the paperwork and getting members of the House Freedom Caucus to sign on as a show of support.
slightlv
(2,637 posts)Hawley from Missouri. Where was he? Is he just a "grab it by the tail, and say I was there?" type poser? Makes him even more of a fake. I hope this is really brought out by those who hate him in his hometown (and there are a LOT of business people in his hometown who hate him.)
Kingofalldems
(38,361 posts)SpankMe
(2,937 posts)Repubs would be going house to house with armed military dragging people in on sedition charges. Those cockholes would be trying to bring back public hangings.
Republicans and conservatives are evil asshole motherfuckers. And that's the good thing about them.
certainot
(9,090 posts)just like the taliban and the nazis before them. mixing sex and logic creates fear of uncertainty - the defining characteristic of authoritarianism - and boebert and greene may have heavy duty vibrational insstruments that , unfortunately, they hold in their right hands. not a major problem unless there may be heritable old world co factors. like their ancestors came from gene pools where right handed masturbation (connected to the left brain) made the slight difference that helped survival in times of conflict and scarcity and was compounded over generations.
Champp
(2,114 posts)into the moral cesspool of latter day RepubliQons and their anti-American russian Komrades.
certainot
(9,090 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(144,005 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)REPUBLICAN'S - ABANDON SHIP !
AllaN01Bear
(17,383 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(144,005 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)area51
(11,868 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,697 posts)I would LOVE this to be true and I'm sure the reporter thinks it is, but this is too important to take one publication's word for it.
LetMyPeopleVote
(144,005 posts)2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,063 posts)but they wont.
Septua
(2,234 posts)Trump lacks the intelligence and necessary knowledge to pull off everything that has transpired. There had to be a team of political savvy people coaching and directing him.
gab13by13
(20,867 posts)told dozens of insurrectionists that they would get a blanket pardon from Trump.
LetMyPeopleVote
(144,005 posts)bucolic_frolic
(42,676 posts)that there is a master plan to turn the tide and defeat these traitors, because this didn't just break today, it was allowed to break today, TPTB have known about it a long time. And we've gone from a 'spontaneous riot' by 'rioters' in January to the word 'insurrection' being bandied about in April, to many Democrats, as well as journalists, calling them insurrectionists, AND talking about the planning from November to Jan 5, and the hotel meeting, it is all coming out, it is more than a trickle now, it's a steady stream, and the Jan 6 Committee is investigating and issuing subpoenas ... we are on a roll! (of sorts).
So buckle up, do your part if you can for the elections in 10 days, keep fighting, we're on permanent watch and permanent vigilance because we have to be.
CatWoman
(79,283 posts)bucolic_frolic
(42,676 posts)bahboo
(16,234 posts)H2O Man
(73,333 posts)Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #28)
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Joinfortmill
(14,247 posts)triron
(21,916 posts)gab13by13
(20,867 posts)to investigate the insurrection. Barr appointed one, John Durham, to investigate the Trump/Russia investigation. Barr even put in guard rails so that Durham can't be shut down. Durham is still getting paid to cover up for Trump. Surely to hell an attack on our democracy deserves a special prosecutor that can't be removed if the GQP wins back Congress.
H2O Man
(73,333 posts)Thank you for this!
Joinfortmill
(14,247 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)rdking647
(5,113 posts)taken away in cuffs before the entire nation.
and when convicted to face life w/o parole in the supermax
triron
(21,916 posts)orangecrush
(19,237 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,459 posts)
to not fall for misleading media stories that suggest more than what is actually there (so far) factually.
They are acknowledging that they met and planned the rally and the protest, not that they planned the breach of the capitol building and the hunt for MOCs to hang. There is a difference.
When they have actual evidence that one of these shitstains had meetings to plan to use wanna-be para-military asshats to break into the building and capture politicians, using the slobbering crowd as cover for that activity - Ill get excited.
Theyve admitted planning the rally since Jan 6. Theyre proud that they participated in that shit. It surely confirms that they are assholes sucking up to Тяцмр, but without more it doesnt really mean what RS is implying it means.
gab13by13
(20,867 posts)Trump's lawyer pal Eastman put it in writing how they were going to do the coup. There didn't have to be bloodshed for these insurrectionists to overthrow our democracy.
Read the Eastman blueprint, it's in writing, what more proof is needed?
C_U_L8R
(44,897 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,459 posts)part of the strategy to overthrow American democracy. Roiling Stone is conflating the two and were falling for it.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,459 posts)
any of these people planned the riot (at least not that I have seen). They planned the rally that turned into a riot, sure. But there is a difference between picking out the ribbons to decorate the stage and mapping out the weakest access points to breach the building.
Look, I want their heads on a pike as much as the next guy. I fully believe that some of them DID plan to use the rally to jumpstart the riot and use that as cover for some really dark shit. But this article doesnt offer support for that scenario. There IS some circumstantial indications (most notably to me is the use of military assault team tactics to move through the crowd) - but that really doesnt suggest that MOCs helped them.
I just think we look stupid when we conflate an admission that someone helped plan the rally with an admission of planning the physical attack on Congress. RS is intentionally promoting that conflation.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... and too many connections to the insurection itself.
There's no doubt smoke here ... The fire will be found
Let those involve separate themselves from the crime of treason versus just planning out a first amendment activity
tenderfoot
(8,424 posts)especially since none of this site's resident trolls has responded.
gab13by13
(20,867 posts)who authorized tours of the Capitol and waiting to hear who disabled the panic buttons on the desks.
Is Colombo or Perry Mason still alive?
gordianot
(15,226 posts)They are all guilty. Not enough cell space to hold them all.
UCmeNdc
(9,589 posts)They are part of the plot to overthrow the government.
DallasNE
(7,392 posts)What form the planned protest should take and yet they ended up with the worst of the choices. My thouhgt is that what they got is what Individule 1 wanted.
Some were appalled at things turning violent because they believed that they could do their best Ken or Karen and win over enough votes to move.the election into the House where each State gets 1 vote which Trump could then win. But sense that effort lacked data showing fraud then passion alone made that unlikely and some in the know were likely dismissing that as an option. And it was pretty naive for them to think they had the goods to make it work. And frustrated because each time they thought they headed off the Alexander plan to violently attack the Capitol it kept coming back.Silly goose, the Alexander plan was what the guy in the Whitehouse was demanding.
bucolic_frolic
(42,676 posts)And where all are equally guilty, we have a crime without a criminal, and 45 had nothing to do with it.
That was the plan, that is the cover story. Nothing to see! Move along.
spanone
(135,636 posts)Paladin
(28,204 posts)Meanwhile, over at the supposedly left-wing New York Times' opinion section, Charles Blow is taking the paper's daily shit on the Biden administration.
I guess they think these things will be forgotten in the future. They're wrong.
triron
(21,916 posts)Champp
(2,114 posts)This planned violent attack on America by Republican thugs is a HUGE story, and corporate media is still playing patty cake with it, and check it's designer hair in the mirror.
Sounding more like the actual federal felony known as seditious conspiracy.
ffr
(22,649 posts)for looking at something the wrong way or wearing the wrong color clothes after May 1st or if their are allegations made by some RW political assassination group, stuff like that.
What you say McCarthy? Gonna do the right thing and boot seditionists....like yourself?