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kpete

(71,953 posts)
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 10:33 AM Oct 2021

Anyone else see the problem here?

Public Citizen
Oct 25

Wealth of Mark Zuckerberg:
2009: $2,000,000,000
2021: $117,600,000,000

Wealth of Jeff Bezos:
2009: $6,800,000,000
2021: $192,200,000,000

Wealth of Bill Gates:
2009: $40,000,000,000
2021: $132,400,000,000

Minimum wage:
2009: $7.25
2021: $7.25


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Anyone else see the problem here? (Original Post) kpete Oct 2021 OP
Everything looks good for our special people who don't pay taxes! BlueJac Oct 2021 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Oct 2021 #42
Just the results of the Sean Hannity advice... czarjak Oct 2021 #2
Pshhh! Sean Hannity! leftieNanner Oct 2021 #3
The disparity is accelerating at a rate that is beyond comprehension. NoMoreRepugs Oct 2021 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #5
Minimum Wages are set by states...In Illinois...$11.00 an hour....here is a link: Stuart G Oct 2021 #6
and in MA, it's $13.50.. to be $15 by jan 2023 getagrip_already Oct 2021 #7
Thanks for posting MA's wage..going up...also true in other states.. Stuart G Oct 2021 #9
One of the richest states, Texas, is still $7.25 along with 20 others. rickyhall Oct 2021 #19
It's good that some states to have a higher minimum wage. soldierant Oct 2021 #28
The federal FLSA sets the minimum wage for most businesses, but states can set higher spooky3 Oct 2021 #36
It's called Negative Trickle Down Economics. BSdetect Oct 2021 #8
I refer to it as golden showers. HUAJIAO Oct 2021 #18
$442,200,000,000 between the 3 of them. Mr. Evil Oct 2021 #10
Bet there is not one person in companies owned by those folks making $7.25/hour. I've worked for Hoyt Oct 2021 #11
Obvious Nasruddin Oct 2021 #12
He's been giving it away for the last 10+ years FakeNoose Oct 2021 #24
Dunno...don't see the problem? 😎 Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2021 #13
I had a boss, every time he heard the word "problem," he'd say "opportunity?" lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #14
And lots of people were selling books on eBay by 1999, but only Bezos is Amazon bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #15
It's not their fault. They built the businesses. Firestorm49 Oct 2021 #16
They pay big for the system to be corrupt. They pay big to keep the system corrupt. BoomaofBandM Oct 2021 #17
++ appalachiablue Oct 2021 #32
Policy failures. ck4829 Oct 2021 #22
What if the successful business person is Torchlight Oct 2021 #30
This is how DEMOCRACIES FAIL! Ilsa Oct 2021 #20
I've said this many times in the past, but I guess once more won't hurt. BobTheSubgenius Oct 2021 #26
Yes....totally correct...not poverty, but inequality......A very long time ago,,,,, Stuart G Oct 2021 #40
This is not money you make by wage working ck4829 Oct 2021 #21
Electric surfboards aren't cheap IronLionZion Oct 2021 #23
Well, somebody has to pay for the spaceships for our overlords dalton99a Oct 2021 #25
I wish they listed Musk Polybius Oct 2021 #27
I looked this up...In 2009 Musk was borrowing money to stay alive... Stuart G Oct 2021 #31
Musk: "self made" LudwigPastorius Oct 2021 #37
Thank You for posting...K and R..I didn't know this about Musk....What does one say? Stuart G Oct 2021 #38
About getting things all wrong..........................an example....for all to think about... Stuart G Oct 2021 #39
He's got a good PR machine. LudwigPastorius Oct 2021 #41
"I see no way to fix this!" - Republicans n/t TeamProg Oct 2021 #29
The good news is that the national average wage index shows a bigger increase than zero every year Shermann Oct 2021 #33
Wouldn't be this way if we still had Union power. Jakes Progress Oct 2021 #34
They could buy probably a quarter of the overpriced rental properties in America JanMichael Oct 2021 #35

Response to BlueJac (Reply #1)

czarjak

(11,244 posts)
2. Just the results of the Sean Hannity advice...
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 10:50 AM
Oct 2021

“Work hard and play by the rules, you too can be a success in America”?

NoMoreRepugs

(9,358 posts)
4. The disparity is accelerating at a rate that is beyond comprehension.
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 11:03 AM
Oct 2021

It's just not the top 1/100th of the 1% - the growth numbers at the top of the curve are staggering.

Response to kpete (Original post)

Stuart G

(38,403 posts)
6. Minimum Wages are set by states...In Illinois...$11.00 an hour....here is a link:
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 11:10 AM
Oct 2021

Here is a link to see what each state has set the minimum wage...

https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/articles/minimum-wage-by-state/

States have different rules on this...for example....in California...if there are more than 26 employees the minimum is
$14.00...less than 26....$13.00 an hour...hit the link to see how the states differ...(and they do)

getagrip_already

(14,570 posts)
7. and in MA, it's $13.50.. to be $15 by jan 2023
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 11:17 AM
Oct 2021

And the world hasn't ended. Businesses are still hiring (and filling job openings).

Imagine that.

But it is still laughable compared to the elite wages who react with scorn at even meager increases.

soldierant

(6,776 posts)
28. It's good that some states to have a higher minimum wage.
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 02:34 PM
Oct 2021

It's not good that some don't. The ones who don't., don't because they don't have to.

There is absolutely justification for the Federal goverment to set a higher minimum.

spooky3

(34,387 posts)
36. The federal FLSA sets the minimum wage for most businesses, but states can set higher
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 10:20 PM
Oct 2021

Minima. So can cities.

Mr. Evil

(2,808 posts)
10. $442,200,000,000 between the 3 of them.
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 11:31 AM
Oct 2021

Oh, but, they're such generous philanthropists. (jerking off motion with my hand) They only do that for the tax deduction incentives. There is no reason one person should be allowed to accumulate that much personal wealth. Instead of taxes, they should be made to fund small business entrepreneurs across the country. Start with maybe 20%. That's $88,440,000,000 that could help multiple people with great ideas and plans to help themselves, their communities and provide an innumerable amount of jobs.

Since they hate taxation, maybe they'd be more receptive (they wouldn't) of an idea like this. My business ideas would certainly benefit and I'm quite sure there are thousands more that would, also.

Just a different angle. Thinking out loud, so to speak.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. Bet there is not one person in companies owned by those folks making $7.25/hour. I've worked for
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 11:32 AM
Oct 2021

small companies and big companies. The bigger ones paid better and had better benefits.

With that said, $7.25/hour is unconscionable. Fortunately, there are not very many people working at that level nowadays.

Personally, I don't care how much those people are worth on paper. It's not reality for most of us.

FakeNoose

(32,527 posts)
24. He's been giving it away for the last 10+ years
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 12:49 PM
Oct 2021

I remember that Bill Gates and Warren Buffett both started foundations to give away a lot of money in their own lifetimes. I can't remember when they started, but it was after the 2008 stock market crash. Now that he's divorced he might not be so anxious to give it all away. His ex-wife Melinda is very wealthy now, also Jeff Bezos' ex-wife.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
14. I had a boss, every time he heard the word "problem," he'd say "opportunity?"
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 11:43 AM
Oct 2021

I think that applies here. Lots of resources ripe for the picking.

bucolic_frolic

(42,982 posts)
15. And lots of people were selling books on eBay by 1999, but only Bezos is Amazon
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 11:53 AM
Oct 2021

And FBook is really outrageous. Tired of these gazillionaires starting a business in a college dorm. What connections pointed him in that direction? MySpace held the cookies at that time. The world seems very crooked to me.

Firestorm49

(4,028 posts)
16. It's not their fault. They built the businesses.
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 11:55 AM
Oct 2021

I also believe that such success demands a social obligation. But as long as our system of government rewards wealth over the betterment of society and our politicians promote greed with vigor, then so be it.

The average Joe and Joan don’t have lobbyists. We say that our party is the party of the common man, and our party will have the best interest of the common man and America first, but look before your eyes and tell me how well the whole thing is working out. Yes, I have the list of Democratic accomplishments over the years, but the tide of change has altered expectations for what may be some time to come.

Don’t blame the successful business person. Blame the stupid system.

BoomaofBandM

(1,769 posts)
17. They pay big for the system to be corrupt. They pay big to keep the system corrupt.
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 12:03 PM
Oct 2021

They do not fight for social networks. They do not fight for affordable anything for anyone else but them. They may not have started corrupt, but they are now.

Torchlight

(3,287 posts)
30. What if the successful business person is
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 02:38 PM
Oct 2021

doing their best to not just maintain, but also strengthen the "stupid system" that allows them while denying others?

Sometimes it's not just one or just the other. Sometimes it's a dynamic of both, or even many.

Ilsa

(61,687 posts)
20. This is how DEMOCRACIES FAIL!
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 12:25 PM
Oct 2021

That's too much wealth, or power, in the hands of a few. And there are just enough "poor" people in government to take a tiny share in return for legislation that is safe for the billionnaires, and they'll say to themselves, "I got mine, screw you."

BobTheSubgenius

(11,557 posts)
26. I've said this many times in the past, but I guess once more won't hurt.
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 01:01 PM
Oct 2021

It's not poverty that causes revolutions, it's inequality. People will suffer all kinds of deprivation if everyone is pulling just as hard on the oars as they are. Sometimes, it will even create solidarity, not destroy it.

Stuart G

(38,403 posts)
40. Yes....totally correct...not poverty, but inequality......A very long time ago,,,,,
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 01:26 AM
Oct 2021

I studied the ..French Revolution....and that proves the above........................................

It wasn't the poor that started it, it was the ...inequality ...in the French legislature that started...

No........I do not remember the name of the French Legislature....??..."Estates General?"...is that it...?

Well.........after the Revolution in France..which was supposed to restore fairness and equality to the government...
.................someone came to power that did the exact opposite .............Let's see think back Stuart...

oh...I got it.... ...A fellow named ...."Napoleon Bonapart... Is that it??

Thank You....

ck4829

(35,020 posts)
21. This is not money you make by wage working
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 12:25 PM
Oct 2021

If you could work the minimum wage literally every single hour of the year, you'd make a whopping... 63,510 dollars at the end of the year (And that's before taxes).

If you earned 10 times the federal minimum wage (ten times!) and could still work every single hour of the year, you STILL wouldn't make a million dollars.

We need to rethink the whole economic system I think.

dalton99a

(81,371 posts)
25. Well, somebody has to pay for the spaceships for our overlords
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 12:51 PM
Oct 2021

so they can watch global warming from space


Stuart G

(38,403 posts)
31. I looked this up...In 2009 Musk was borrowing money to stay alive...
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 05:06 PM
Oct 2021

At least that is what one article said..I remember reading that he had invested in a number of loosing companies...
All his wealth came from his ownership of "Tesla.." (and Tesla stock)

...At least it is a..."self made fortune."...Not inherited as many others are..

...Bill Gates is also a "self made billionaire" not inherited...Gates made it from a company called.."Microsoft"
I am guessing that all of us...have heard of ...Microsoft...??

It is the stock market (and the price of stocks these people own).... ...

Stuart G

(38,403 posts)
38. Thank You for posting...K and R..I didn't know this about Musk....What does one say?
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 01:08 AM
Oct 2021

I guess I got it wrong...not the first time, and won't be the last time....

Stuart G

(38,403 posts)
39. About getting things all wrong..........................an example....for all to think about...
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 01:15 AM
Oct 2021

...When I was young....(a very long time ago) and learning to write with a pencil...I noticed that there

was a thing...at the end of the pencil....called......an eraser .....and ...

if you ....make a mistake.....well you can erase the mistake.....Now..............................on this idea.....

on these computer machines.................Is that what the ...delete key is for?................................
Of course, you don't have to answer that one...I understand...:.............................................


Shermann

(7,398 posts)
33. The good news is that the national average wage index shows a bigger increase than zero every year
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 08:34 PM
Oct 2021

But those entering the workforce at the bottom of the great pyramid scheme start ever farther down.

JanMichael

(24,869 posts)
35. They could buy probably a quarter of the overpriced rental properties in America
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 09:44 PM
Oct 2021

And drop the rents for everybody not just income qualified. If the rents are 1500 a month for two bedroom they can drop it to 900 or 800, take it back to 2010.

I think I'll email all three and say hey give our 501c3 500 million a piece and we will buy even at stupid prices thousands of rental properties and drop the rents. They can write it all off and still have billions of dollars.

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