Rittenhouse judge is not only unfit to preside over this case--he must be removed from the court.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

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[JohnSJ]

1. Call a mistrial

[tulipsandroses]

2. Another white supremacist

They are just brazenly showing their true selves. He needs to go!

[Hoyt]

3. Want that little gun-toting POS to get what he deserves, but think the judge

is probably right. I think I saw some of the DU attorney types say this is common in a situation like this.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

11. What I read...

Was that the trial was to determine if they were his victims, or if he acted in self defense, in which case they aren’t his victims.
Also, the defense couldn’t say arsonist or looter unless they proved they were.

[Hoyt]

15. That seems fair legally. Again, I'd convict that pissant for wearing his hat backwards

and strutting down the street with an assault “style” rifle dangling from his neck.

This is going to be a tough case because the first guy killed was chasing the POS, the next guy shot pulled his own gun on the no good POS, and the third victim attacked him with a skateboard.

He’ll get convicted of something, if only gun charges, but the prosecution betting be better than the group prosecuting George Zimmerman for murder of unarmed, teenager Trayvon Martin.

[sir pball]

28. Given that he's attempted to justify carrying the gun under hunting regulations

If I were the prosecutor I'd simply refer to the dead folks as his "prey".

[Hoyt]

34. Exactly what they were too, just like Trayvon Martin.

[lagomorph777]

33. WTF?

Terrifying to see it up close like this.

[Skittles]

4. correct

sorry, he doesn't like the connotations associated with VICTIM but ARSONIST and LOOTER pass his smell test? He sounds EXTREMELY BIASED.

[RockRaven]

5. The fix is in...

[ForgedCrank]

6. Does anyone have a link to an actual news source for this?

I'd like to see all the details on this guy but all I see is twitter post and a stock photo.

[CloudWatcher]

12. +1000000

Sources or it's just clickbait. Please!

Fyi, a quick google found nothing other than lots of coverage about not referring to the victims as victims. Someone with better google skills than I might be more lucky.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021/10/26/men-shot-by-Kyle-Rittenhouse-cant-be-called-victims/8391635296151/

[ForgedCrank]

13. yea so far all i seem to be able to find

are mostly references to previous rulings.

[IndianaDave]

7. I apologize for my ignorance

but in what state is this trial occurring? I want to respond, but I'm not sure where this is taking place. Thanks!

[mopinko]

8. wis

[IndianaDave]

16. Thank you very much, mopinko! I really appreciate it

[hardluck]

9. Where's the evidence?

All I see is an unsupported tweet.

[orleans]

18. i'm googling and all i can find is the "victim" ruling nt

[hardluck]

32. Same

[dalton99a]

10. Goddamn racist has no business being on a bench

[SergeStorms]

14. He should be disbarred.

Blatantly taking sides in a trial is beyond the pale of decent jurisprudence.

[Sympthsical]

17. Occupy Democrats is not a valid source

They're totally wretched. Their PolitiFact score is amazing:

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/occupy-democrats/

That is not "jokingly holding up a white supremacist symbol." People speak with that gesture all the time. I still can't believe 4chan managed to troll people into this one, and now the internet gullible are forever after forensic evidence that someone they dislike is using a common hand gesture.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

20. Kyle Rittenhouse Judge Says 'White Power' Gesture Reminds Him of 'Chef Boyardee,

Do you tire of being wrong? https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/live-trials-current/kyle-rittenhouse/kyle-rittenhouse-judge-says-white-power-gesture-reminds-him-of-chef-boyardee-warns-proud-boys-link-to-defendant-would-be-poison-at-trial/

In response, Assistant District Attorney Thomas C. Binger adamantly insisted that the government would marshal significant resources — in the form of experts, witness testimony, and other evidence — to describe the Proud Boys and would not rely on a single newspaper article. But this approach was ultimately all for naught.

Schroeder disputed that the “OK” symbol was racist and said he had also “never heard” of the hand sign being used in a racist context.

“The first time I saw it was on a can of Chef Boyardee,” the judge said.

Audibly agitated, Binger interjected during the judge’s speech to say: “We’re not saying Chef Boyardee is a member of the Proud Boys.”

This judge needs to be removed from this case

[Sympthsical]

21. It should be mocked

It's a bit of total ridiculousness fabricated on the internet that gullible people bought into. And now successfully trolled, they want to make it a serious thing.

Just admit the gullibility and move on.

And OD is still a totally wretched source. I think it was Celerity who did a whole thing about them once.

Serious points should require serious sources. Not internet shit-kicking.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

23. Again you are Wrong

The source was correct and had the facts correctly. This judge is a nut case and should be removed

[hlthe2b]

24. That poster most certainly is absolutely wrong. To have a DUer downplay white supremacy

and its well-documented symbols is damned sad.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

36. The head of the DNC agrees with us

Link to tweet

[Cha]

38. Rt TY

[hlthe2b]

25. You are so very uninformed: "The 'OK' Hand Gesture is Now Listed as A Symbol of Hate"

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/764728163/the-ok-hand-gesture-is-now-listed-as-a-symbol-of-hate
National Security

The 'OK' Hand Gesture Is Now Listed As A Symbol Of Hate
The "OK" hand gesture, commonly seen as a way of indicating that all is well, has now been classified as something else: a symbol of hate.

On Thursday, the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish civil rights organization, added 36 symbols to its "Hate on Display" database including the index finger-to-thumb sign that in some corners of the Internet has become associated with white supremacy and the far right.

Oren Segal, director of the ADL's Center on Extremism, told NPR that for years on fringe online message boards such as 4chan and 8chan, the "OK" sign has been deployed in memes and other images promoting hate. Given the number of white supremacists who have adopted it, he said it can now carry a nefarious message.

The Southern Poverty Law Center did an extensive analysis on the dangers of those diminishing the symbol as merely the remnants of an online hoax:
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/09/18/ok-sign-white-power-symbol-or-just-right-wing-troll

Dismissing the spread of the hand signal as a hoax overlooks two hard realities: first, that its increasing use gives open license to actual racist ideologues to operate and recruit under the cover of the “plausible deniability” established by less ideological young trolls; and second, that any kind of wink-and-nudge interaction with the racist right is a direct route to its normalization.

While the people who flash the sign can always readily claim innocence of any racist intent by attesting that they “only meant it ironically” and that their real purpose was to anger liberals, minorities and “social justice warriors (SJWs),” they can’t so readily escape ethical culpability for their role in the spread of hateful ideologies and their effects, including a global spike in hate crimes. Nor can they blame members of the minority groups who reasonably find such hand signals potentially threatening for being upset.

Diminishing this, as you have, only increases the harm and further empowers/enables the extremist RW.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

35. This symbol has been recognized for a good while as a symbol of hate

The ADL briefed my firm a while back on hate groups an this was discussed

[Celerity]

22. I poster another pic yesterday of him making the white power symbol

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215983672#post15

Glad to see that others saw this as well!

[LiberatedUSA]

26. We don't want no pro-Rittenhoue Judge, where the fix is in!

We want them replaced with an anti-Rittenhouse Judge where the fix is in!

[Tomconroy]

27. The ruling excluding evidence about a Rittenhouse

connection to the Proud Boys was made several weeks ago. Here is an article about the ruling:


https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-kyle-rittenhouse-proud-boys-kenosha-shootings-judge-20210917-pu6l3fktbjb73monnpagczdesi-story.html

The law and crime story linked to above also provides context.
I believe you can see the entire hearings posted on youtube if you Google: WI v. Kyle Rittenhouse youtube.
The trial itself will be broadcast on Court TV. I don't know if other cable networks will pick it up.

[Bettie]

30. Next up: Prosecution can not even mention that

little Kyle had a gun or that he was at the protest.

They can only say that he was at home in his bed after a day of rescuing kittens.

[panader0]

31. Were the three people killed (the victims) ever convicted for arson, looting or rioting?

They were marching in protest of the police. By allowing them to be referred to as such, he has
prejudiced the jury, it seems to me.

[MustLoveBeagles]

40. 2 were killed and 1 maimed but the rest of your points stand

[LiberatedUSA]

52. Were they armed as well or attacking him?

For instance, did one of them run up and try to take his head off with a skateboard, which would be easy for a lawyer to make a self defense argument? Did any of those shot also have guns? If they did, were they chasing him when they were shot?

Or did he just walk up to a couple of guys and start shooting them for no reason?

[MustLoveBeagles]

53. You deserve a response to your questions

I'll have to look up the videos of incident to refresh my memory and give you a detailed response tomorrow. It's very late and I have to go into the office tomorrow morning.

[MustLoveBeagles]

54. I looked at the footage

The shooting of the first victim wasn't recorded as far as I could see. There's just some freeze framed photos from a distance. The second victim did try to hit Kyle with a skateboard which was a mistake. The kid was on the ground and it looked like he didn't have control of his weapon. The victim or someone else close by should've kicked away or picked up his gun. The third victim was armed but didn't shoot the kid. I think victim 3 should've lowered his weapon and backed away when he saw that Kyle had gained the upper hand. It still didn't justify what this kid did. Watching this didn't really change my mind at all. The kid is still a murderer. The comments to the video are truly nauseating. You'd think this punk was the second coming of Jesus. I'll post the video and let you judge for yourself. View discretion is advised.

[Hav]

55. I hope he still ends up in prison

but what you described sounds a lot like self-defense. Murder may be murder in your view but the law clearly makes distinctions and even regards some cases as justified.
I have no idea how the first murder will be judged but ignoring that case for a moment, I have this feeling he'll walk away with a light sentence.

[MustLoveBeagles]

56. I have a feeling he will walk with no punishment

I hope I'm wrong. My gut tells me if Kyle hadn't shot the first victim the other victims wouldn't have reacted the way they did. I think he and the group he was with were spoiling for a fight. I can't prove any of this of course and the law deals in facts not gut feelings. I think that this kid had no business being there at all. His stupid mother drove him there!

[Cha]

37. Rt TY

[LetMyPeopleVote]

60. Asking for a legal opinion here: at what point does the rise to mistrial level weirdness?

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[Cha]

61. RT.. i hope someone

with the authority gets him to recuse himself soon.

Kyle Rittenhouse must think he hit the damn jackpot

[Baitball Blogger]

39. How can this not be a mistrial?

[brooklynite]

41. Before you join the pile-on, understand the actual ruling

CNN

"Let the evidence show what the evidence shows, that any or one of these people were engaged in arson, rioting or looting, then I'm not going to tell the defense they can't call them that," Kenosha County Circuit Judge Bruce Schroeder said during the pretrial hearing.

(IOW - they can be called rioters IF there's evidence they were rioting)

Schroeder has had a longstanding rule of not allowing prosecutors to refer to people as "victims" at trial.

(IOW - this isn't a "White Supremacist" ruling for the benefit of Rittenhouse)

nb: Judge Schroeder was appointed by a Democratic Governor in 1983.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

42. This judge has a long history of rather racist rulings

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[brooklynite]

43. Do you have evidence other than an unsupported Tweest by nobody in particular?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

45. Do you tire of being wrong?

Read the material posted.

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The rest of this twitter thread is set forth below.

How is the Iowa caucus going?

[Dr. Strange]

50. Which of those cases/rulings do you find racist?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

44. Here are some facts about this judge

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[LetMyPeopleVote]

46. Glen Kirschner-Horrific Ruling by Judge in Rittenhouse Case;

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[twin_ghost]

47. Judge Bruce Schroeder is Doing an Excellent Job and will protect the rights of everyone.

He is protecting the rights of the accused, witnesses and the process. We should be supporting a fair trial and a just verdict. This is what our country is built upon.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

48. Opinion Are the men Kyle Rittenhouse killed victims? Not according to the judge.

I trust Paul Butler on this

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The most politicized trial of the Black Lives Matter era may be one where all of those involved are White....

But Schroeder crossed the line from jurist to advocate when he forbid prosecutors from saying “victim” because, he said, it’s a “loaded” word, but allowed the defense to say “arsonist,” “looter” and “rioter” — as if those words aren’t just as loaded. Schroeder’s decision supports the defense strategy of putting the victims on trial, to make it sound as though they got what they deserved.

Indeed, Schroeder went so far as to say that the defense lawyers can “demonize” the three men who Rittenhouse killed if they think that will score points with the jury. This is judicially sanctioned slander.

Over the objections of prosecutors, he will allow the jury to see a video of the police thanking a group of vigilantes and handing them bottles of water. The defense will use the clip to suggest that not only was Rittenhouse entitled to be in Kenosha with an assault rifle, the local police were actually glad he was there.

Yet the judge turned down prosecutors’ request to admit as evidence video of Rittenhouse beating up a teenage girl who got into a fight with his sister. Nor will the judge allow video of Rittenhouse stating, 15 days before the Kenosha shootings, “Bro, I wish I had my [expletive] AR, I’d start shooting rounds at them” about people he suspected were shoplifting.

Last winter, Rittenhouse flew to Miami, where he met with the leader of the Proud Boys, a white supremacist-adjacent organization that was active in BLM counterprotests. The judge won’t let the jury know about that, or another occasion on which Rittenhouse hung out with Proud Boys members at a bar.

The prosecutors contend that all of this is compelling evidence of Rittenhouse’s propensity for violence and his criminal intent. The judge insists it’s irrelevant.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

49. Judge may allow the men Kyle Rittenhouse shot to be called 'ioters or looters but 'victim' is out

The judge is wrong here

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CNN legal analyst Areva Martin called the judge's decision "incomprehensible."

"Even if these individuals who were shot were involved in rioting and looting, the evidence, what we hear to date, is that [Rittenhouse] didn't know that," she told CNN on Wednesday.

"He didn't have that information when he pulled the trigger and shot these three individuals, killing two. So his state of mind is what's on trial. And the fact that he didn't know that they were involved in this activity makes ... that evidence irrelevant."

Martin said "rioter" and "looter" were "loaded" and "pejorative" terms that suggested the victims "deserve what they got. They deserve to be shot and even deserved to die."

With his decision, Martin said, the judge is "definitely signaling something to these jurors" and appeared to be "leaning towards supporting the defense."

[brooklynite]

51. The prosecution isn't asking for him to be removed...

....because they understand the reasons behind his ruling.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

57. This judge is upset at his press coverage

This judge is making bad rulings and is upset that people disagree with these bad rulings

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[budkin]

58. This will clearly end in a mistrial

Not gonna fly

[LetMyPeopleVote]

59. Asking for a legal opinion here: at what point does the rise to mistrial level weirdness?

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