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ffr

(22,665 posts)
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 02:06 PM Oct 2021

ERs are now swamped with seriously ill patients -- but many don't even have COVID

Inside the emergency department at Sparrow Hospital in Lansing, Mich., staff members are struggling to care for patients who are showing up much sicker than they've ever seen.
-snip-

Months of treatment delays have exacerbated chronic conditions and worsened symptoms. Doctors and nurses say the severity of illness ranges widely and includes abdominal pain, respiratory problems, blood clots, heart conditions and suicide attempts, among others.

But there's nowhere to put them all
...those long-term care floors are full too, with a mix of COVID-19 and non-COVID-19 patients. That means people coming to the ER are being warehoused for hours, even days, forcing ER staff to perform long-term care roles they weren't trained to do.
-snip-

Seventy to 100 ambulances pull in each day. "It's a lot," Dusang says, watching emergency medical service teams wheel their patients over to the triage nurse. "It's the highest I've ever seen in my career."

About three times a week, the ER arrives at a point where it just can't take any more patients, she explains. Then it sends out the alert for ambulances to divert patients to other hospitals.
-snip-

The number of ER patients is mostly back to normal, but patients are so much sicker

This isn't just happening at Sparrow.

"We are hearing from members in every part of the country," says Dr. Lisa Moreno, president of the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM). "The Midwest, the South, the Northeast, the West ... they are seeing this exact same phenomenon." - NPR


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ERs are now swamped with seriously ill patients -- but many don't even have COVID (Original Post) ffr Oct 2021 OP
Do these aholes Casady1 Oct 2021 #1
Republicans get full credit for this ClusterWank Champp Oct 2021 #2
To many of the Republican sheeple base only care about what they are told to care about cstanleytech Oct 2021 #10
A FusterCluck! Mopar151 Oct 2021 #3
FusterCluck! I love it! ShazzieB Oct 2021 #8
It's all for the Cause! Mopar151 Oct 2021 #17
I follow my county health department FB page closely. HUAJIAO Oct 2021 #4
Thanks for the warning bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #5
Something we don't talk about that much is the basic health of most Americans. ananda Oct 2021 #6
And poor access to regular healthcare. yardwork Oct 2021 #21
Are they hiring new staff to replace the vaccine mandate quitters? IronLionZion Oct 2021 #7
There is a very small percentage that didn't get vaccinated Horse with no Name Oct 2021 #11
Also too much illness and death Nululu Oct 2021 #12
That too Horse with no Name Oct 2021 #14
Agreed Nululu Oct 2021 #15
The three nurses I know that have quit madville Oct 2021 #22
This even extends to non-emergency conditions Dopers_Greed Oct 2021 #9
We seem to be kind of on our own for health care, we can thank our for profit health care system. It ShazamIam Oct 2021 #13
My housemate had have major surgery instead of minor surgery. Texaswitchy Oct 2021 #16
A lot of people delayed routine care the last nearly 2 years. KentuckyWoman Oct 2021 #18
Even if one had insurance and money nitpicker Oct 2021 #19
That was me too KentuckyWoman Oct 2021 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2021 #20
saw a nice conformation that cases are down in our lill rural town. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2021 #24
 

Casady1

(2,133 posts)
1. Do these aholes
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 02:15 PM
Oct 2021

Know that their( antivaxers and politicians) have driven up the cost of healthcare for everyone.

Champp

(2,114 posts)
2. Republicans get full credit for this ClusterWank
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 02:32 PM
Oct 2021

Republicans--and their darkside black-ops Russian propaganda troll Komrades--get full credit for creating this gawdawful Republican ClusterWank.

cstanleytech

(26,236 posts)
10. To many of the Republican sheeple base only care about what they are told to care about
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 03:48 PM
Oct 2021

by the right wing controlled radio in this country as well as other right wing media outlets like Fox News.
That means unless those right wing media sources suddenly start telling the truth that the Republican politicians are to blame that most of the base Republican sheeple will continue to ignore it.

Mopar151

(9,975 posts)
3. A FusterCluck!
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 02:38 PM
Oct 2021

Or, to be more accurate, a Fuster of Cucks! (Need to use those Republican terms correctly!)

ShazzieB

(16,273 posts)
8. FusterCluck! I love it!
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 03:36 PM
Oct 2021

I'm going to have to start using that!

Hope you don't mind me stealing it.

HUAJIAO

(2,379 posts)
4. I follow my county health department FB page closely.
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 03:05 PM
Oct 2021

They report on COVID every day- cases, hospitalized, died, recovered, etc.

You should see some of the ignorant moronic comments there from anti-vaxxers and anti-maskholes ! Just appalling...

ananda

(28,835 posts)
6. Something we don't talk about that much is the basic health of most Americans.
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 03:34 PM
Oct 2021

A lot of people here in the USA have serious health problems
due in part to diet, obesity, stress or any combination of'
those factors.

I'd say the stress level of at least half the country is extremely
high. This just makes overall health that much worse...
and of course makes vulnerability to Covid worse also.

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
21. And poor access to regular healthcare.
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:26 AM
Oct 2021

We're the only supposedly "advanced" nation in the world that doesn't provide free or low-cost access to regular preventative care and treatment for all our people. Instead, we have this stupid for-profit commercial approach that provides great access to care for a few people and barely anything at all for the rest of us - including many children.

It's a mind-staggeringly stupid approach to providing healthcare that is enforced by the very people who suffer from it the most, as they march to the polls in their brainwashed angry fog and keep electing Republicans.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
7. Are they hiring new staff to replace the vaccine mandate quitters?
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 03:36 PM
Oct 2021

Or people don't want healthcare jobs anymore because it sucks. This is a hot mess that doesn't look like it will get better any time soon.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
11. There is a very small percentage that didn't get vaccinated
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 03:51 PM
Oct 2021

The bigger issue is those who have left bedside nursing never to return because of the violent and crazy patients and families.

Nululu

(840 posts)
12. Also too much illness and death
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 04:05 PM
Oct 2021

Many burned out before the vaccines were developed. Now they're seeing death of younger people and too much stupidity.

We had a nursing shortage before covid, it's worse now. Two of my doctors retired, far younger than I expected.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
14. That too
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 04:53 PM
Oct 2021

One of the surgeons I work with not only retired but let his license lapse and he is only 50!
What this country has put and is putting the healthcare workers through will change the scope of medical care in this country and not for the better.

Nululu

(840 posts)
15. Agreed
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 06:37 PM
Oct 2021

We've made a difficult job so much worse with covid. Not only the workload but all the ignorant jackals pretending expertise for all the wrong reasons.

madville

(7,404 posts)
22. The three nurses I know that have quit
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:31 AM
Oct 2021

Are doing it because of burnout, poor management, and mediocre staff pay. Two are now traveling nurses making 3x the money and no mandatory OT.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
9. This even extends to non-emergency conditions
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 03:41 PM
Oct 2021

At least a few people I know who were previously healthy (me included) now have chronic health conditions after the last 1.5 years of this BS.

ShazamIam

(2,564 posts)
13. We seem to be kind of on our own for health care, we can thank our for profit health care system. It
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 04:46 PM
Oct 2021

is such a gold mine, look at how private equity has increased the number of hospitals they now own.

Increase in private equity for profit hospitals. 1975-2019

https://www.statista.com/statistics/824788/total-number-of-for-profit-hospitals-in-the-us/

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
18. A lot of people delayed routine care the last nearly 2 years.
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 12:08 AM
Oct 2021

There has been an awful lot of if I ignore this it will go away. No insurance, no money. Can't afford it so suck it up and hope for the best.

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
19. Even if one had insurance and money
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 07:39 AM
Oct 2021

Some people were so afraid of taking resources away from Covid care, especially in March/April of 2000, that they decided to wait. Or had elective surgeries cancelled.

By the time I came back in in October, a polyp was giving me the finger.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
23. That was me too
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:43 PM
Oct 2021

Well not the polyp. Mine is cardiac. I could have raised a fuss but cardio appointments were hard to come by and I figure people more needy than me. Then I could not ignore it any more. For my age I probably did not lose much ground. I'll get back to 90% plus where I was. I hope you do too. I hope they all do.

Response to ffr (Original post)

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
24. saw a nice conformation that cases are down in our lill rural town.
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 03:09 PM
Oct 2021

Family member was in ER & ICU for 5 days last week, non-Covid related.
He was the only ICU patient all that time.

That's significant for our area. Nurses were telling me how insane the crunch was up till recently.

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