All I hear or see on TV, the news, and even this site is how Manchin

[dugog55]

and Sinema are blocking progress on the "Build Back Better" legislation. How come no one ever mentions the 50 Republican Senators that oppose the bill? They are blocking the same legislation that would help their constituents, and in many States, it would help more of their people than the Blue States. Why do they get special consideration for being assholes and not even giving the Bill a chance? I have not heard or seen any of the reasons they are using for not helping pass legislation that is obviously good for the whole Country. Don't get me wrong, our two Red Democrat Senators and beyond shameless with their reasoning, but all the media does is make fun of and put blame on the Dems for not being able to pass anything or get along with each other.

[Bettie]

1. Because they block everything that is good for humans

it is what Republicans do.

Democrats are generally not like them.

There is zero expectation of Republicans doing anything decent. Ever.

[George II]

18. Manchin and Sinema are now on board with Schumer and Biden and Pelosi...

As are 96% of the Democrats in the House.

If people are still blaming Manchin and Sinema they should watch the news.

[Bettie]

39. Still think that Manchin and Sinema are on board?

After this afternoon's little speech from Manchin?

[George II]

40. Yes. He's making a lot of sense. He's on board with the infrastructure bill. He's frustrated....

....that some are insisting they won't vote for one bill if the other one doesn't pass.

In all my years of following Congress and politics, I've never seen one bill being held up because another one doesn't pass first, or as some insist, they pass concurrently.

When have any two bills come up for a vote concurrently before?

Were you waiting for three days to pounce on this?

[Bettie]

42. LOL...

so, because he can't take his vote back on the other bill, it's cool that he scuttles the other one. OK.

[George II]

43. "LOL". So what do you think about others who said openly they won't vote for either at this time?

[lame54]

46. Retracted

[George II]

51. What's been retracted? See:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16004272

[hamsterjill]

44. +1000

Thank you.

[bluewater]

47. This didn't age well...

Manchin says he won't back $1.75 trillion economic agenda bill without 'greater clarity' about its effects
By Clare Foran, Manu Raju and Ali Zaslav, CNN

Updated 2:28 PM ET, Mon November 1, 2021

Sen. Joe Manchin said he won't support the $1.75 trillion reconciliation bill Democrats are negotiating until there is "greater clarity" about the impact it will have on the country's national debt and the economy, a warning sign for Democratic leaders trying to pass a pair of legislative packages key to President Joe Biden's agenda as soon as this week.

"Simply put, I will not support a bill that is this consequential without thoroughly understanding the impact that it will have on our national debt, our economy and most importantly all of our American people," Manchin said at a news conference Monday afternoon.
Manchin also called on the House of Representatives to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill and warned, in an implicit rebuke to progressives, that "holding this bill hostage" won't work in getting him to support the larger social spending and economic package. Manchin has been non-committal about that larger package since Biden released a framework, but reiterated major concerns today.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/01/politics/joe-manchin-biden-agenda/index.html

[George II]

48. Sure it did. He's on board for one of the two bills, unlike some other Democrats who are on record..

...as voting against both bill if they both don't pass the Senate.

Even as you said in your post:

Manchin also called on the House of Representatives to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill and warned, in an implicit rebuke to progressives, that "holding this bill hostage" won't work in getting him to support the larger social spending and economic package.

So why are some holding the bipartisan infrastructure bill?

Reminder, as Manchin did in his statement, he's already voted for it. If that doesn't pass in the House it won't be his fault.

Now I have to wonder, why all of a sudden have you and three other DUers suddenly zeroed in on MY post from more than three days ago, but no others in this dormant thread.

Hmmmm.

[bluewater]

49. NOPE. lol "Manchin and Sinema are now on board with Schumer and Biden and Pelosi..."

Boy that did NOT age well...



Schumer, Biden and Pelosi all want to pass the Build Back Better reconciliation bill...

Meanwhile Manchin continues to block President Biden's agenda:

Manchin says he won't back $1.75 trillion economic agenda bill without 'greater clarity' about its effects
By Clare Foran, Manu Raju and Ali Zaslav, CNN

Updated 2:28 PM ET, Mon November 1, 2021

Sen. Joe Manchin said he won't support the $1.75 trillion reconciliation bill Democrats are negotiating until there is "greater clarity" about the impact it will have on the country's national debt and the economy, a warning sign for Democratic leaders trying to pass a pair of legislative packages key to President Joe Biden's agenda as soon as this week.

"Simply put, I will not support a bill that is this consequential without thoroughly understanding the impact that it will have on our national debt, our economy and most importantly all of our American people," Manchin said at a news conference Monday afternoon.
Manchin also called on the House of Representatives to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill and warned, in an implicit rebuke to progressives, that "holding this bill hostage" won't work in getting him to support the larger social spending and economic package. Manchin has been non-committal about that larger package since Biden released a framework, but reiterated major concerns today.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/01/politics/joe-manchin-biden-agenda/index.html

[George II]

50. Let's wait for the House votes, too. Yes, Manchin....

"...called on the House of Representatives to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill and warned, in an implicit rebuke to progressives, that "holding this bill hostage" won't work in getting him to support the larger social spending and economic package."

Manchin has already voted for the bipartisan infrastructure bill, how about some Democrats in the House?

Progressives withhold their support for the $1 trillion infrastructure bill, demanding more tangible progress.

Representative Pramila Jayapal of Washington, the chairwoman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, said that her members wanted to see the text of the Build Back Better plan before voting on the $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill.l

Representative Cori Bush, Democrat of Missouri, said she felt “a little bamboozled.” Representative Rashida Tlaib, Democrat of Michigan, said she was a “hell no.”

Representative Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, the Congressional Progressive Caucus’s vote counter, emerged from a closed-door caucus meeting to say House Democratic leaders still lacked the votes to pass the infrastructure bill

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/28/us/politics/progressives-infrastructure-biden-pelosi-support.htm

So who is on board with the bipartisan infrastructure bill and who isn't?

You can "lol" and as much as you want, but facts are facts and quotes are quotes.

[bluewater]

52. And that is the sound of the goal posts MOVING! lol

Sorry , but we are not going to ignore Manchin obstructing the Build Back Better reconciliation bill AGAIN!



Meanwhile, the Progressive Caucus has REPEATEDLY said on the record they will vote for the infrastructure bill.

And they support the President's ENTIRE agenda and have said on the record they will vote for the Build Back Better reconciliation bill ALSO, unlike, cough cough, Manchin.

so.... BAZINGA!

[George II]

53. Like I said, let's see how the House votes. As of today Manchin is in all in for one of the two....

....regardless of the other, and regardless of how the House votes.

For some in the House, unless both pass the Senate they won't vote for either in their chamber.

Further, Manchin's okay without having to wait for a vote from the other house, the others are not. Their yes votes on the bipartisan infrastructure in dependent upon yes votes on both bills in the Senate. I've never seen anything like that in my decades of following things like this.

Spin it and laugh as much as you want, those are cold hard facts.

If you don't agree with my analysis of this, why not address why instead of three rows of

If you can't do that, then I have my own "smilie" -

[bluewater]

54. Manchin calls Biden's $1.75 trillion spending proposal a "shell game" (Bashing Biden! OMG)

Key Democratic Senator Joe Manchin is demanding more time to get "clarity" on the economic impact of the social spending package put forward by President Biden and other Democrats. In remarks to reporters on Monday, Manchin blasted House progressives for holding the bipartisan infrastructure bill hostage.

Last week before leaving for Europe, President Biden announced a $1.75 trillion social-spending framework, trimmed down from the original $3.5 trillion. But Manchin made it clear Monday he still isn't comfortable with the framework in its current state, and the Senate can't pass the legislation without him. Democrats had hoped to possibly vote on both the infrastructure and the reconciliation bill this week, but Manchin's comments indicated that might not be possible.

"As more of the real details outlined in the basic framework are released, what I see are shell games, budget gimmicks that make the real cost of the so-called $1.75 trillion bill estimated to be almost twice that amount, if the full time is run out, if you extended it permanently," Manchin told reporters Monday afternoon. "And that we haven't even spoken about. This is a recipe for economic crisis."

Manchin, who has all along expressed concerns over spending, increasing the debt, and inflation, reiterated those concerns Monday. He took no questions.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/manchin-calls-bidens-24175-trillion-spending-proposal-a-shell-game/ar-AAQccd2?ocid=uxbndlbing

Manchin is PUBLICLY bashing Biden's agenda with rightwing talking points!

And yet some people choose to continue making excuses for him...

[George II]

55. So now YOU are doing what you claimed I did, "moving the goal posts"....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16004355

52. And that is the sound of the goal posts MOVING! lol

Again, he's a yes on the bipartisan infrastructure bill, a wait and see on the spending bill (NOT a no!)

Those in the House are yes on both bills, but ONLY if both bills pass. Otherwise they're no.

So can you address anything directly in my posts or just moving on to something else? If that's the case, then I'm moving on to something else myself, current posts and topics here and not some dormant 3-day-old posts.

[bluewater]

57. My topic has always been Machin obstructing HALF of the President's agenda. lol

But I can understand why this article is something defenders of Manchin would try to avoid responding to:

Manchin calls Biden's $1.75 trillion spending proposal a "shell game"

Key Democratic Senator Joe Manchin is demanding more time to get "clarity" on the economic impact of the social spending package put forward by President Biden and other Democrats. In remarks to reporters on Monday, Manchin blasted House progressives for holding the bipartisan infrastructure bill hostage.

Last week before leaving for Europe, President Biden announced a $1.75 trillion social-spending framework, trimmed down from the original $3.5 trillion. But Manchin made it clear Monday he still isn't comfortable with the framework in its current state, and the Senate can't pass the legislation without him. Democrats had hoped to possibly vote on both the infrastructure and the reconciliation bill this week, but Manchin's comments indicated that might not be possible.

"As more of the real details outlined in the basic framework are released, what I see are shell games, budget gimmicks that make the real cost of the so-called $1.75 trillion bill estimated to be almost twice that amount, if the full time is run out, if you extended it permanently," Manchin told reporters Monday afternoon. "And that we haven't even spoken about. This is a recipe for economic crisis."

Manchin, who has all along expressed concerns over spending, increasing the debt, and inflation, reiterated those concerns Monday. He took no questions.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/manchin-calls-bidens-24175-trillion-spending-proposal-a-shell-game/ar-AAQccd2?ocid=uxbndlbing

"Manchin and Sinema are now on board with Schumer and Biden and Pelosi..."

Umm, nope. That quote just did not age well at all. And that is what I initially responded to, so I have stayed on topic AND have come full circle back to it in closing.

[PSPS]

2. Because it's a given that the republicans are dedicated to the destruction of the country.

So they're a write-off.

[HUAJIAO]

20. Then THAT should be the info DEMS send out...

"Republicans are dedicated to destroying the country and YOUR lives!!"

I mean, the ads write themselves/

[bluewater]

3. Because the media is owned by right wing oligarchs?

Seems so.

[maxsolomon]

4. Good grief.

We bitch about the GQP constantly on this site. There's not a single GQP Senator I'd piss on if they were on fire. McConnell in particular.

They've made it plain they will not participate in this Reconciliation bill; we all have known that for months. Their reasoning is well known: Politics. So what's the point in hammering away on it.

Or is this another "the MSM always lets us down" OP?

[Budi]

11. So rather than devote months of dragging, harassing in bathrooms & at their homes...

2 Dem Senators who are equally as obstinate as any Republican, why choose the Dem?

Had they villified 2 more compromisable Repubs in a Bluer State, & yes there are some, perhaps they'd have succeeded in breaking the barrier.
Yet the Repubs remain 'hand off'.

Seriously? Spent all this time, money, Media & sending out the Sunrise kids to attack your own yet give Repubs a red carpet pass?

Tell me the last time they mentioned the hold outs of the Repubs, who do the same & worse than either Manchin & Sinema.

When did they spend their daily MSM TV time villifying the Repubs in Congress & Senate?

With all their Media ammo spent dragging the 2 Senate Dems, not to mention Speaker Pelosi & the President, as failures, seems their powerful might could certainly have been more useful in creating a Repubs in disarray moment rather than creating it steadily within the Dem Party they claim as a part of.

Yes it is a bit suspicious to say the least

Maybe someone can explain their motive to us here

If Manchin & Sinema were equal to the Republicans in holding out on BBB, why bother taking out the 2 Dems who keep the miniscule majority for us, when the targets should perhaps have been more vulnerable Republicans from bluer States.





.

[wellst0nev0ter]

33. You try reasoning with trumpanzees

Tell me how it goes and whether or not its a complete of time

[Budi]

34. How'd the 24/7 'reasoning' go with Manchin & Sinema?"

Not a peep about the Republicans.
Why not?

[wellst0nev0ter]

36. So you're saying that those two are unreasonable?

I thought they were loyal Democrats who support Biden's agenda.

Pick one.

[11 Bravo]

45. I'd piss on Mitch if he was on fire. Just not on any of the burning parts.

[Autumn]

5. Republicans live to block Dem legislation. That's what they do. I will not give "Dems" a pass

when they block important Dem legislation because some CEO asks them to do it for a donation.

[George II]

19. Dems do not block important legislation because some CEO asks them for a donation. That CEO...

...can only give $2800 per year or $5600 if married.

As we stand now, at 2:00 PM on Friday, October 29 (actually around noon yesterday), all Democrats are on board in the Senate and most in the House.

It's now up to a few in the House, the ball is in their court.

[Autumn]

26. Sure George. You should have watched the congressional hearing.

Congress on Thursday after he denied that the company covered up its own research about oil’s contribution to the climate crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/28/exxon-ceo-accused-lying-climate-science-congressional-panel

For the first time, Woods and the heads of three other major petroleum companies were questioned under oath at a congressional hearing into the industry’s long campaign to discredit and deny the evidence that burning fossil fuels drove global heating. When pressed to make specific pledges or to stop lobbying against climate initiatives, all four executives declined.



This is the same chief executive of ExxonMobil, Darren Woods that talks to Sen. Joe Manchin’s (D-W.Va.) office every week and he personally has participated in calls with lawmakers on the Democrats’ spending plan.

phttps://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/578983-exxon-ceo-says-he-had-calls-with-lawmakers-on-reconciliation

They also come after an Exxon lobbyist was caught on tape discussing efforts to influence several members of congress on the reconciliation bill, including saying he talks to Sen. Joe Manchin’s (D-W.Va.) office every week.

Manchin, a key Senate swing vote, later denied having weekly meetings with the lobbyist.

His opposition has resulted in at least one key climate program being cut from Democrats' spending package, which would have incentivized energy companies to move away from fossil fuel ’

I'm sure those weekly meeting and talks with the members on the Democrats spending plan and the fact that Manchin torpedoed one key part of the climate program was simply an unfortunate coiecdence.


Or not.

[George II]

27. We're talking about campaign contributions Autumn. Please don't change the subject.

[Autumn]

28. I will say what I want George I will change any subject i want. But what I posted fit in with my

previous post. Links and all. Nice dodge to ignore the facts I posted though. .

[George II]

29. The "facts" you posted were irrelevant to my part of this discussion. They had nothing to do with...

....contributions to any officeholders.

Let's see if I can get this right....." nice dodge to ignore the content of the post to which you responded, though".

[Autumn]

30. Perhaps you should enlarge your discussion George. Not everybody needs to

follow your narrow guidelines. Considering my comment was not addressed to you I think I will just ignore your insistence that I post to please you.

[lapucelle]

35. Are those "facts" even really facts?

For example,

...a lobbyist talking to a legislator's office every week

morphs into

"weekly meetings and talks with members."

At least it's not as egregious as the characterization by the sophomore representative from NY-14

[George II]

38. As a matter of fact, they're not "facts". It's basically the same ol' thing over and over again...

...allusions to "corporate dems" and all these humongous campaign donations, then the oil companies and pharmaceutical companies reviewing proposed legislation, then them actually writing the legislation. How soon before we hear that Representatives' voting buttons are installed in the offices of the CEOS of Exxon/Mobil or Pfizer or Unilever. Oops, sorry there.

[peggysue2]

6. I agree

We have no problem bashing Manchin and Sinema (and yes, they deserve it). Yet we fail to scream about the obstruction from the other side.

If the table were reversed, I guarantee every headline would underscore how defiant Dems were being, how we were all blocking, obstructing legislation that invests in the American public and the health of the Nation. McConnell would be screeching at every opportunity and his caucus would follow suit with damning words at every microphone, 24/7. Fox News and every MAGA channel would amplify the messaging.

This is the world we live in where Dems work for the American people but Republicans and the media shape the narrative.

Sucks!

[Budi]

7. Have they ever ran a campaign to demonize a Republican as they do Dems?

Nope
Infact, since 2016 they have rarely held the RW accountable.
It's more about building a brand to unseat the Dem Party than it is to work as a whole on behalf of the US people.

Yesterday's Media posturing was a perfect example.

They've always been this way since their inception.
Expect nothing else. They don't give 2 shits about targeting Repubs. Its the Dem Party & our amazing leaders they have always targeted.

Link to tweet

[FoxNewsSucks]

8. That's bullshit. Total bullshit.

See previous posts on the thread regarding republicon bashing. There is plenty of it, we just know they will never change except to get even worse.

The "cosplay Socialist House Reps" that tweet refers to have already committed to the compromise from $6T down to $3.5T. It wasn't them who then went back on their word by demanding all of their objections be removed from the compromised bill or we would get zero.

And it's not them now who are having a tantrum and holding the BBB up. They have committed publicly to pass Biden's framework. Has Manchin? NO. Has Sinema? NO.

And the next post in that tweet says:
"But enjoy the magazine covers, the cooking shows and the expensive dresses with leftist catch phrases on them. Because y'all are too fucking stubborn to admit y'all are getting played by Silicon Valley constructs."

Leftist catch phrases? Cosplay socialist House reps? That bullshit sounds like the garbage I see on the Fox "news" Sewer, or hear parroted by slack-jawed MAGAts.

[Budi]

13. Nope. The bs is that this has been going on since their inception

No Joke either.

When do they villify the Repub hold outs?
Never.

There's nothing you can tell me as why this is, because the Dem Party & its gracious & good leaders have always been the target.

You want proof, I can provide all the receipts you need. If I thought it'd matter at all, that is.

Start with why Exley made a trip to Russia in 2012.
Answer that 1st.

[FoxNewsSucks]

16. No, that post and the tweet it contained was BS.

As other have said, there's no more need for us to attach republicon vilification to every post than there is to announce that the sun still rises in the east. It goes without saying, and republicons are behaving as expected. The same kind of undemocratic behavior coming from Democrats is a different story.

Since corporate media is owned by the right, and beholden to advertisers, it's also a given that their coverage will reflect that.

On this topic, it is the conservadems, two in particular, who are undermining everything. When will that get acknowledged?

[Budi]

17. LOL. Sure. Villify evey Dem Leader into the ground & stay silent on the Republicans

And you wonder why this raises suspicions??

That tweet is spot on.

Later..

[Nanjeanne]

9. Because on DU we are Democrats. We didn't vote for Republicans. We came out

to elect 2 D Senators from GA. We came out to elect D Joe Biden. We voted Democrat because Ds campaigned on raising minimum wage, paid leave, negotiating drug prices, tuition free college, tackling climate change, raising taxes on the wealthy.

We don’t have those things because of Manchin and Sinema. We didn’t expect to get those things with Republicans.

[dugog55]

21. That is the very point I was trying to make, somewhat poorly perhaps. BBB is for

all Americans. I would think that the majority of Repub voters would like to see this Bill passed. It is not just for Democrats, but for everybody, and yet The GQP in the Senate are holding it hostage. This is quite different from the bullshit Bills The GQP passes that mostly take away our rights under the guise of freedom or owning the Libs. I challenge anyone reading this to name one Bill the GQP has backed and/or passed in the last 40 years that benefit working Americans and not just the wealthy, Wall Street or Corporations. The media should be crucifying them, except for the fact they are owned lock, stock and barrel by the three entities mentions in the previous sentence.

[Nanjeanne]

25. The thing is I do t have expectations from Rs. I expected more from the Ds and the

fact that 2 Sens stopped legislation that is popular with large majority of citizens - Ds, Rs a d Is - is a nightmare.

The media never asks Rs morality questions so I don’t expect them to now. The fact that 2 D Senators stopped 48 Senators and a Pres and VP from doing what they campaigned on and promised the American people is the story. I’m sorry but while there are good things left in this bill, they are primarily things that will not directly impact people’s lives like lower drug prices or college or dental help for seniors and I do not see much that is going to get people fired up to vote. The analogy of Charlie Brown and Lucy with the football may be overplayed - but I’m thinking it’s become the reality of the Democratic Party and their spoilers.

[PoliticAverse]

10. Hey, whenever anyone says "2 people are blocking it" I remind them it is 52. n/t

[doc03]

12. That's just a given any more Republicans don't stand

for anything but more tax cuts for the rich.

[Budi]

15. So why bother even mentioning them at all?

Easier mark is the Dems, well that, & the TV time.

Have they moved Manchin & Sinema at all considering the full court press thrown at them?
Nope. Biden did that.

So why not give that same full court press to a more vulnerable Repub in a blue State?

Now THAT would give serious credibility to their efforts.
Yet barely a mention as to the real problem. The Republicans.
How come?

[gab13by13]

14. I agree with the post,

why not get reporters to ask Senators in purple states why they oppose BBB? Like Rob Portman and Ron Johnson. Why should the good people of Ohio and Wisconsin fall for the narrative that 2 Democratic Senators are keeping working class people down?

Even ask Rick Scott and Marco Rubio.

I think it's foolish to only blame Manchin and Sinema because it gives GQPers a pass. You can bet your bottom dollar when BBB passes that Republican Senators will take credit for it.

[yaesu]

22. I think is worse as it is seen as treason or a family member siding with an enemy (civil war as an

example).

[hay rick]

23. Democratic dysfunction is the media's version of balanced reporting.

It's the counterbalance to reporting Republican sabotage and treason. Six of one, half a dozen of the other...

[Desert Dog]

24. We brought this on ourselves

It is freakn November already and this should have been passed months ago. GQP? Forget them. We can't even get Democrats to agree on something. That is how this has been playing in the sticks. We should have had a perfectly timed sales pitch to all, followed by bill passage and then a celebratory basking in success with PR about the rollout and public benefits. We drew this out. Sure, this requires us take responsibility for Sinema / Mancin train wreck and none of us deserve that.

Press is sick of it. We are sick of it. It should be a proud moment and it now feels like a pending dentist appointment. It will require work to swing that vibe. GQP is going to demagogue this spending with borders, inflation and China. The BBB street battle is just beginning. Is it too late to rebrand BBB? Like Financial Equality Act Part 1. Then bait electorate with Part 2 promises. LOCK in those core values and make Dem candidates commit. We will never have a national party agenda as long Schumer believes in a local campaign focus.

It is our job to point out that no GQP voted for this. In many ways I applaud our representatives for getting anything out of Mancin and Sinema. It was a hard fight with two self centered corporate grifters. I still do not trust them one bit. Vote on the reconciliation first Chuck. Tee it up. With her infrastructure bill done, I can just see Sinema bailing over some BS to get another 10 min of fame. How many times have they moved the goal posts already? Chuck would be stupid not to reconcile first. Do we want to risk a few more weeks of BS news? We need to shift gears into public sell real quick.

[betsuni]

31. Should be the first thing mentioned, how Republicans aren't even a real political party.

I wonder if there's ever been anything like it. A post-policy 100% obstructionist power cult. Being elected as a Republican isn't even a real job anymore. Everything's partisan so you always know how you're going to vote, and you don't have to care about your constituents because they'll vote Republican no matter what. Easy!

I'm sticking with my theory that subconsciously many Americans think of Republicans as the Daddy Party. Daddy's the disciplinarian, takes care of finances, not expected to do anything. He doesn't do anything. But Daddy gets automatic respect. Everybody loves to blame the Mommy Party. Mommy's not respected, gets no benefit of the doubt, isn't listened to or trusted.

[AZProgressive]

32. This is a reconciliation bill that is not intended to get any Republican support

They don’t need 60 votes so the 2 Democrats get a lot of focus not to mention power.

[GoodRaisin]

41. Yeah, that's another thing that gets tiring. Nt

[RANDYWILDMAN]

56. 50 fascist R's should be weighing some more blame, F the M$M

Those 50 vote in lock step, they do what the Turtle wants and nothing more...including you mittens

The senate is fouled up for the time being, those 50 senators barely rep 40% of the country and yet they don't care they are busing owning the libs.....we no longer have moderate sensible republicans, they are all extreme or they are gone.