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Dave Wasserman just called it!!!! Phil Murphy defeats Jack Ciattarelli (Original Post) JoanofArgh Nov 2021 OP
Dodged a bullet there. Celerity Nov 2021 #1
Way too close for what it should have been... Hulk Nov 2021 #21
Some facts: JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #2
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Nov 2021 #3
Thank you, wonderful news. c-rational Nov 2021 #4
Nice! Lemon Lyman Nov 2021 #5
This. We won't hear hardly a peep bamagal62 Nov 2021 #15
This. piddyprints Nov 2021 #30
Guess chuck toad will say "How embarassing that a Dem barely won NJ" or some crap like that. LenaBaby61 Nov 2021 #32
Glad he won, but even his win is a five alarm fire. bearsfootball516 Nov 2021 #6
NJ hasn't re-elected a Dem Governor since 1977 so it would have been busness as JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #7
True. People need to know that. This is HUGE for Dems! n/t Greybnk48 Nov 2021 #13
Indeed. calimary Nov 2021 #25
Thanks and good. Wasserman only comments when he is confident JohnSJ Nov 2021 #8
So with two close Governor's races, score tied 1-1 Zambero Nov 2021 #9
NJ wasn't supposed to be close. Polls had Murphy ahead by 8%. Klaralven Nov 2021 #11
The polls are one thing Zambero Nov 2021 #14
I think the problem with polls is BarackTheVote Nov 2021 #22
Lots of the younger cohorts don't have wireline phone or if they do, let all calls go to voice mail Klaralven Nov 2021 #24
I live in NJ ramapo Nov 2021 #31
If it's a Repub +8 year, we're in big trouble. Calista241 Nov 2021 #10
thank God ... much closer than it should have been fishwax Nov 2021 #12
A win is a win. Champagne for everyone! Tomconroy Nov 2021 #16
This turned into a nail biter I didn't think was supposed to be. Fla Dem Nov 2021 #17
It wasn't supposed to be a nail biter. calimary Nov 2021 #27
A win is a win bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #18
So pleased keldridge Nov 2021 #19
If all that is left are the mail ballots, I really don't think it is going to end up close at all ColinC Nov 2021 #20
I think I read that all there is are mail-in ballots remaining in NJ. LenaBaby61 Nov 2021 #34
My teeth hurt Traildogbob Nov 2021 #23
You sure - realclearpolitics has GOP up with 97% in kansasobama Nov 2021 #26
I didn't make the stats , Dave Wasserman did based on stats. JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #29
Realclear Politics. Okay. LenaBaby61 Nov 2021 #35
12:42 12% of Votes JustAnotherGen Nov 2021 #28
Good, now all those "Jack" signs can go in the landfill where they belong nattyice Nov 2021 #33
Kornacki, about an hour ago Dystopian Optimist Nov 2021 #36
 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
21. Way too close for what it should have been...
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:07 PM
Nov 2021

....but then I don't know Jersey politics at all.

I do know McAuliffe slit his own throat with so many dumb moves.....giving the gop a lift and win in a state that went Biden +10.

In my opinion, he was a warm over "Clintonite", and had as much charisma as wet toast. Congress fucking around with Biden's signature infrastructure bills made more fodder for youngkin.

Get the bills passed. Make it clear...WE CAN DO SO MUCH MORE AND BIGGER with Democratic majorities in Congress. Our hands are tied behind our backs with sinema and manchin...BUT THEY GIVE US THE RAZOR THIN MAJORITY WE NEED.

Get done what we can...NOW! And come back for more in 2022 when we can have two Senators vote against us. This is our chance. The cult and gQp are licking their chops.

JoanofArgh

(14,971 posts)
2. Some facts:
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 10:34 AM
Nov 2021

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First time since 1985 that NJ elected a governor from the same party as the sitting President. And the first time a Dem governor won re-election since 1977.

Lemon Lyman

(1,349 posts)
5. Nice!
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 10:41 AM
Nov 2021

I'm sure this won't matter though. Only VA will matter out there in the media-sphere. Murphy didn't "win right" or something.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
32. Guess chuck toad will say "How embarassing that a Dem barely won NJ" or some crap like that.
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 01:22 PM
Nov 2021

I don't watch him, but I can kind of imagine what a bothsiderism hack like him would say though.

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
6. Glad he won, but even his win is a five alarm fire.
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 10:42 AM
Nov 2021

Ciattarelli made is a million times closer than it should have been.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
9. So with two close Governor's races, score tied 1-1
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 10:48 AM
Nov 2021

NJ broke a long-standing precedent in re-electing Murphy. Virginia maintained its off-year precedent of alternating between D and R. Dems did manage two consecutive terms there, and with a stronger less gaffe-prone candidate it could have been three in a row.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
11. NJ wasn't supposed to be close. Polls had Murphy ahead by 8%.
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 10:54 AM
Nov 2021

The polling that showed Youngkin up by 2% was accurate.

The NJ polls were not.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
14. The polls are one thing
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:06 AM
Nov 2021

As are the margins of error in their sampling. The relative success (or otherwise) of GOTV and how undecided's split often tell a different story when evaluating the final results. Still one wonders, in the current political climate, how Gavin Newsum actually over-performed polling expectations in California, even beyond his initial margin of victory. The strength or weakness of candidates still seems to matter.

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
22. I think the problem with polls is
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:19 PM
Nov 2021

that they’re just not reaching young people. It’s just kind of assumed that Millennials and Zoomers are progressive as a cohort, but I think a not inconsiderable number of them have been red-pilled by things like Gamer Gate and the Incel “movement” (as it were). Irony-poisoned dead-enders who skew anarchist or fascist, every sign of progressivism or inclusion seen as a direct attack on the privileges their white cis parents enjoyed, privileges they want to safeguard for themselves.

I think the one thing I can say for my generation and the younger generation is that the income insecurity that has plagued us since the Bush era has radicalized a lot of us toward the extreme wings of the political spectrum. Do with that what you will.

ramapo

(4,588 posts)
31. I live in NJ
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:59 PM
Nov 2021

There were a ton of Jack signs… Murphy signs were rare. The anti-maskers were very motivated. And then there is the property tax issue. Murphy made a dumb remark and Jack made the most of it

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
12. thank God ... much closer than it should have been
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:00 AM
Nov 2021

I wasn't particularly worried, but it still shouldn't have been this close. I think a lot of voters just took it for granted that Murphy would win. Turnout where I am (Hudson County) certainly seemed low at all the polling places I went by, but then the actual returns didn't actually look down from 2017, so maybe a lot of people just voted by mail.

Fla Dem

(23,653 posts)
17. This turned into a nail biter I didn't think was supposed to be.
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:44 AM
Nov 2021

I knew the Va one was up for grabs, but thought NJ was pretty safe. Glad it turned out the way it did.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
27. It wasn't supposed to be a nail biter.
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:46 PM
Nov 2021

The republi-CON wasn’t expected to get even close.

But I’m glad at least we saved one governorship.

bucolic_frolic

(43,135 posts)
18. A win is a win
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:48 AM
Nov 2021

Democrats in NJ moved left with some progressive ideas, and Murphy really altered the budget and fiscal problems from what little I heard.

Traildogbob

(8,720 posts)
23. My teeth hurt
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:22 PM
Nov 2021

From biting bullets in elections. With 70 percent of us not trumpers, this is ridiculous. Fuck you media. You are No more than a Wet Fox version of propaganda. (News ???) Watered down more than a whisky at a red neck rebel bar next to an airport at 20 minute before closing at 2:00 AM.
Thanks for the Murphy news. We are very close to the states needed to rewrite the constitution. These Governors are critical. With the GQP Terrorist, we will soon not be biting bullets, we will be catching them all over our bodies.

JustAnotherGen

(31,813 posts)
28. 12:42 12% of Votes
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:51 PM
Nov 2021

Remain uncounted.

Phil has 'got this' - but lets not take our eyes off the prize just yet. Essex county is critical - and we begin curing ballots this afternoon through Saturday.

We may not know until Saturday.

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