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If the prosecution of The State v. R. was so bad, why was the defence forced to call him? (Original Post) Alexander Of Assyria Nov 2021 OP
They called him because the facts in evidence are in their favor. WarGamer Nov 2021 #1
Not so, sir. Alexander Of Assyria Nov 2021 #2
Disagree in this case. WarGamer Nov 2021 #4
Weak? How so? Alexander Of Assyria Nov 2021 #6
If it's "weak" it's because the judge has his thumb on the scale. sop Nov 2021 #12
I agree with Alexander SheCat Nov 2021 #7
Yes...not a chance in hell if I had confidence, both the verdict and my young client Alexander Of Assyria Nov 2021 #8
and he'll kill again iemanja Nov 2021 #10
He started the whole ordeal by pointing a firearm at someone, I don't see that in his favor uponit7771 Nov 2021 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalFighter Nov 2021 #18
I don't think so, someone else here mentioned that in Wisconsin, if the defense is going to ask Calista241 Nov 2021 #3
Interesting. In any event he is testifying voluntarily, is my point. Alexander Of Assyria Nov 2021 #5
In a case that turns on the motivation of the defendant it is a huge risk not to have them testify dsc Nov 2021 #9
Another angle is that in a big public trial it's not always about the legal case itself unblock Nov 2021 #11
The defense was not forced to call him. former9thward Nov 2021 #14
exactly... this. WarGamer Nov 2021 #15
Not an attorney Crepuscular Nov 2021 #16
Think the testimony was before the jury. Alexander Of Assyria Nov 2021 #17
... Crepuscular Nov 2021 #19

WarGamer

(12,436 posts)
1. They called him because the facts in evidence are in their favor.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:21 PM
Nov 2021

And seeing the guy on the stand sends the message to the jury "nothing to hide"

Prosecution is doing a shitty job, Judge is biased.

Kyle is walking.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
2. Not so, sir.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:25 PM
Nov 2021

Calling an accused to testify is an admission the prosecution did a good job.

Focus should be on fact an accused is being forced to testify…in his own murder trial…cause the prosecutors presented a case strong enough to force the issue.

Testifying in any trial by an accused is either an act of supreme confidence or one of supreme stupidity, there is no in between,

I tend to think that if the defence has confidence the jury would aquit they would not have called him to face cross examination.

Why would you call your client to the stand if you had confidence, legally speaking, your client will walk without taking that enormous risk?

I await the cross x.

WarGamer

(12,436 posts)
4. Disagree in this case.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:27 PM
Nov 2021

The prosecution has been terrible, starting off with a big LIE in their opening statement.

The cross is now and it's weak.

sop

(10,156 posts)
12. If it's "weak" it's because the judge has his thumb on the scale.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 03:11 PM
Nov 2021

The judge has repeatedly derailed the prosecutor's cross examination with all manner of incoherent nonsense. We'll see what happens when the trial resumes.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
8. Yes...not a chance in hell if I had confidence, both the verdict and my young client
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:31 PM
Nov 2021

being cross examined by a seasoned prosecutor. Huge huge risk…why take it?

Response to WarGamer (Reply #1)

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
3. I don't think so, someone else here mentioned that in Wisconsin, if the defense is going to ask
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:26 PM
Nov 2021

for a directed verdict, the defendant has to testify. I think it's 50/50 whether there is a directed verdict.

Rittenhouse is super well coached. He's answering yes / no all the time, and his answers are really, really short.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
9. In a case that turns on the motivation of the defendant it is a huge risk not to have them testify
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:34 PM
Nov 2021

even if you feel the case was badly presented by the prosecution.

unblock

(52,196 posts)
11. Another angle is that in a big public trial it's not always about the legal case itself
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:58 PM
Nov 2021

If they're confident they'll win, then he can use it to boost his image for a later career.

Heaven help us....

former9thward

(31,981 posts)
14. The defense was not forced to call him.
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 03:25 PM
Nov 2021

They wanted to call him. Many times you don't want to have the defendant testify because of baggage. Legal, emotional, mental. R doesn't have these to any significant degree.

Will the prosecution score points in their questioning? Sure, but the average juror will probably ignore that. They know its a trained interrogator going against a 18 year old.

Crepuscular

(1,057 posts)
16. Not an attorney
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 09:39 PM
Nov 2021

I'm not an attorney but it's my understanding that if the Defense intends to file a motion for a directed verdict/dismissal, that the defendant has to testify, to give the prosecution an opportunity to cross exam him.

So even if the Defense thinks that they have an excellent chance with the jury, from a tactical standpoint, especially given some of this Judges rulings, it made sense to put Rittenhouse on the stand and hope that the Judge will then dismiss the case with prejudice, before it ever gets to the Jury.

That makes a lot of sense and is the only reason that I can see for putting him on the stand. All it takes is one juror to hang a jury and I suspect the defense decided it was a lower risk to put him on the stand and hope for a dismissal than to let it go directly to the Jury.

Crepuscular

(1,057 posts)
19. ...
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 11:03 PM
Nov 2021

Yes, it was before the Jury but as I understand it, after the testimony is concluded, but prior to closing arguments, the Defense can make a motion for a directed verdict/dismissal. If the Judge grants that motion, with prejudice, then the trial is over, the defendant goes free and can't be re-tried and it never gets to the Jury. I suspect that is what the defense is hoping will happen.

If it goes to the jury, it just takes one jury to hang it and then the prosecution has the option of seeking a new trial, differnt judge and jury, etc.

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