e.v.e.r.y. pregnancy endangers the life of the mother.

[mopinko]

every last 1.
and that we are talking about mississippi here- i just cant w these hoodlums.

[leftieNanner]

1. 25 years ago, a friend of mine died

She had just delivered her fourth baby. Two weeks later, she didn't feel well, went to the doctor and dropped dead of an aneurysm.

The community and her family stepped up. She was a young, healthy, tennis playing woman. Childbirth can be very dangerous for any woman.

[Corgigal]

5. I'm sorry.

Lost a friend, pregnant with her 2nd child. Had great insurance, solid middle class life. Told work, she didn’t feel well. Called her husband later and told him, she couldn’t see. Ambulance and hubby arrived at the house.

Mom and baby both died.

[The Magistrate]

2. Indeed, Ma'am

I know personally of one woman who died of a post-partum hemorrhage, and another, near and dear to me, who damn near did.

[Freddie]

3. Yes this

And for them to cavalierly suggest that we just endure childbearing because THEY say so, like it’s just an inconvenience, is reprehensible. Immoral.

[Arkansas Granny]

4. This is especially true when you consider that the US ranks

last when compared to other industrialized countries.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-brief-report/2020/dec/maternal-mortality-united-states-primer

The most recent U.S. maternal mortality ratio, or rate, of 17.4 per 100,000 pregnancies represented approximately 660 maternal deaths in 2018. This ranks last overall among industrialized countries.

More than half of recorded maternal deaths occur after the day of birth.

The maternal death ratio for Black women (37.1 per 100,000 pregnancies) is 2.5 times the ratio for white women (14.7) and three times the ratio for Hispanic women (11.8).

A Black mother with a college education is at 60 percent greater risk for a maternal death than a white or Hispanic woman with less than a high school education.

[BeckyDem]

6. Yes, too many.

Sadly, about 700 women die each year in the United States as a result of pregnancy or delivery complications.
https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregnancy-relatedmortality.htm

Black, American Indian, and Alaska Native (AI/AN) women are two to three times more likely to die from pregnancy-related causes than white women – and this disparity increases with age, researchers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) report today in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR).
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2019/p0905-racial-ethnic-disparities-pregnancy-deaths.html

[mopinko]

7. i dont see how this is not about equal protection issue.

and i repeat- we are talking about fucking mississippi here.

[BeckyDem]

8. Yes, exactly.

[hlthe2b]

9. Absolutely true. For all the feelings it engenders, reproduction reduced to its medical/scientific

truth is a parasitic relationship between host mother and child.

All things abortion/SCOTUS/RW fundies related make it very difficult for me to talk about these issues. Especially when so many act as though it is no more than a minor inconvenience for the mother and her body. I have seen women die in childbirth. We will see more.

[localroger]

10. My mother and I both nearly died in the course of my birth

In those days doctors were not very communicative, and when the doctor learned that my parents had moved across the country he shook down my grandparents to get in touch and warn them not to try having another child, because she almost certainly would die. If she had ever gotten pregnant again an abortion would have been medically necessary to save her life.

[nocoincidences]

11. Pro abortion

people really hate the parasite relationship between baby and mother. But it is the truth.

I have treated numerous women for stroke sequelae around birth. Aneurysms are a time bomb that pregnancy can set off. Pregnancy can be dangerous, and stupid people ignore that at their peril, for certain OUR peril as women.

[mopinko]

13. and we are finding out more and more about the lasting impacts.

like- more pregnancies =more autoimmune diseases.

[Mariana]

12. Yes. Also, it's usually impossible to know early on

which pregnancies and births are going to be ones that go bad, and kill or permanently harm the women.

[Danmel]

14. I nearly died after giving birth to my son

I had a c-section and developed a serious staph infection at my incision. I had to be re-hosptalized for 5 days of IV antibiotics.
I just can't with these people who treat pregnancy as if it's just some glorious gift from their beneficent lord above and had no impact on the mother that isn't perfect and wonderful and magical.
In a different time or place, I'd have been dead and my husband would be alone with a three year old daughter and a newborn.
F them all. They have no right to make these decisions for women.

[electric_blue68]

15. Right now I have trouble with labeling pregnancy with the term "parasite"

I disagree with comment about "feelings", as something to be set aside.

The whole point of a parasitic condition is that it is unwanted (and there are times in human relationships where the person doesn't realize how toxic it is).

A wanted pregnancy isn't parasitic, though as you have stated has pontential danger /or death and more so for women of color.

I do reserve the right to change my mind.


And I decided not have children way early in my life.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

17. .

The whole point of a parasitic condition is that it is unwanted

No. A parasitic relationship is one in which the parasite draws resources from the host at the host's expense, whether it's wanted or not.

[electric_blue68]

18. We'll have agree to disagree

[Torchlight]

21. I think the definition of a parasite requires it to be a different species from the host nt

[WhiskeyGrinder]

22. You're right. It's certainly a parasitic relationship, though, beyond whether someone wants to be

pregnant or not.

[Torchlight]

24. A parasitic relationship is fair.

But it's really all moot to the fundamental point-- women should have autonomy over their own person. Sometimes I think we get lost in arguing meaning (as I did) or standing or whether an analogy is valid or not, and in doing so jump the rails.

Not applying this to you, but my observations of these conversations is that they so often get derailed on tangential aspects that neither weaken nor strengthen the original premise.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

25. Agree. A person should be able to get an abortion whether a fetus is a parasite or in a parasitic

relationship or not, whether the pregnancy is difficult or not, whatever. The only criteria to have an abortion is that a person doesn't want to be pregnant anymore. On demand, without apology or restriction.

[Tree Lady]

16. Obviously mom is not cared about

Only their religious beliefs that thy are forcing on the whole country. I hope this forces the young to fight like we did.

[mopinko]

19. boy howdy.

i think we raised this gen to just not suffer fools.

[Hortensis]

20. Broadens your hips too, but on some body types that can be good. nt

[WhiskeyGrinder]

23. What do you mean?

[mopinko]

27. not sure what that has to do w anything.

[smirkymonkey]

26. My mother died in childbirth with my brother back in '66.

So this issue is near and dear to my heart. Actually, it was a week later, or something like that. I think it was eclampsia. Doctor error. I don't know all the specifics. There are a lot of secrets surrounding it that I may never know.

[mopinko]

28. oh my. i'm so sorry.

and yeah, a little known stat is that a large percentage of abortions are women who already have kids. may have had a bad time, may just be done.

not sure how handmaiden would explain to the 3-4 kids she already had that she was leaving this one at the fire house.

[smirkymonkey]

29. Thanks, mopinko!