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Sat Dec 4, 2021, 05:04 PM

Some Ethan Crumbley murder case questions.

When a teacher reported the notes and drawing that caused the school to bring in his parents for a meeting, why weren't the police called, even before the parents were called?
Why weren't the police already there when the parents arrived?
Why were the parents given the option to let him stay at school that day?

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Reply Some Ethan Crumbley murder case questions. (Original post)
Progressive Jones Dec 2021 OP
rsdsharp Dec 2021 #1
Texasgal Dec 2021 #16
underpants Dec 2021 #2
Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #18
elleng Dec 2021 #3
femmedem Dec 2021 #11
elleng Dec 2021 #12
Arazi Dec 2021 #21
taxi Dec 2021 #4
Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #23
Sneederbunk Dec 2021 #5
70sEraVet Dec 2021 #6
SheltieLover Dec 2021 #7
Texasgal Dec 2021 #8
happybird Dec 2021 #10
joshcryer Dec 2021 #14
Bettie Dec 2021 #9
regnaD kciN Dec 2021 #13
Cha Dec 2021 #15
mopinko Dec 2021 #17
Crepuscular Dec 2021 #19
Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #20
Ohio Joe Dec 2021 #22

Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 05:07 PM

1. Drawing a picture and looking at ammunition on the internet are concerning.

They arenít illegal.

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Response to rsdsharp (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 07:22 PM

16. There should be ZERO

Tolerance in schools!

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 05:08 PM

2. Police don't go to schools for this type thing

The administrators and the school cops are in charge of that.
Itís the parents choice first in a lot of cases.

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Response to underpants (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 09:09 PM

18. I think that under these circumstances, it was a failure not to bring in the police. nt

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 05:11 PM

3. Serious mistakes by several 'adult' groups. He did write: Help me, or somesuch, right?

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Response to elleng (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 06:46 PM

11. Yes, he did write help me.

"The thoughts won't stop. Help me."

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Response to femmedem (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 06:52 PM

12. WRENCHING, any adult who ignored such should be FIRED.

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Response to femmedem (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 09:43 PM

21. Sounds like early onset schizophrenia. My first thought when I heard that plea

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 05:13 PM

4. How not to be caught

may be how they live their everyday lives. Seizing the opportunity to most immediately escape the school, to not get caught, their getaway. They found an out and took it. The school didn't catch them this time either.

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Response to taxi (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 10:30 PM

23. Well, as they used to say it back inna day...

"They have a checkered past, and are well known to the authorities."

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 05:15 PM

5. Why wasn't his backpack searched?

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 05:47 PM

6. In the school's defense, I don't know that they could have done much else.

I haven't heard that the kid made any verbal threats to anybody in the school. I believe that there has to be a 'credible threat' to remove a kid from school against the parents' wishes.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 05:49 PM

7. Why wasn't the kid IVCd for a full psych eval?

I've read there were 2 police officers in the building... why didn't they search his backpack & pockets?

While this sociopath would be very likely have violently erupted at some future point, had this been handled ethically & responsibly, given what the teachers saw, the tragedy that day could easily have been avoided imo.

Why this kid wasn't searched, isolated with a crisis response team & prohibited from setting foot on school grounds again without a full psych eval is beyond me.

I had a client whose teach caught graphic images & a "hit list" some yrs ago. Guess who got an immediate ride with lights to a psych ward for eval? This was an elementady grade student.

My initial (silent) response was holy fucking shit! Not on my watch you won't! How anyone entrusted with kids could react so casually is beyond my comprehension & is so far outside the bounds of ethical, I don't even know what to call it.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 05:50 PM

8. I'm wondering why they

let him go back to class? They should have sent him home and not let him back without the therapy they discussed.

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Response to Texasgal (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 06:30 PM

10. +1

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Response to Texasgal (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 07:13 PM

14. I'm thinking he walked out of that meeting with the parents...

...and the parents just said "go to class, we'll pick you up later, don't worry about what those people said, be more careful." The school didn't know or were unaware of this (big school, kid splits off, no one is watching him, etc).

Remember, the mom got contacted about the kid searching for ammo online, and told him to be more careful and not get caught. From her perspective her kid was good for looking up ammo online for his gun. Proud of him even. This was a gun nutter family completely deluded about their kids psychopathic writings and comments.

That being said, they should have searched his backpack, think it's standard procedure in any case like this.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 06:02 PM

9. Yeah, I wonder that too

Remember a few weeks ago (months?) a little girl was arrested for drawing a mean picture of a kid who was bullying her?

Oh, wait, little Black girl, white teenager...of course.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 06:56 PM

13. But why take the gun from him...?

After all, he might have needed it to protect the school from an Antifa mob! Purely in self-defense, of courseÖ

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 07:13 PM

15. Sounds like that should have

been the correct plan for all concerned.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 08:03 PM

17. cuz he's a white kid.

i'm just guessing that this school has more counselors than cops. unlike the schools where i live.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 09:19 PM

19. ...

The police didn't even need to be called, there was a school resource officer embedded at the school (Sheriffs deputy), all the administrators needed to do was include him in the meeting with the parents and there likely would have been a very different outcome. Major screwup on the part of the school.

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Response to Crepuscular (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 09:21 PM

20. That's what I'm talking about. No cop at that meeting abject failure. nt

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Sat Dec 4, 2021, 09:57 PM

22. oh YAY!!!! We are blaming the school!!!!

Sheesh...

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