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Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:19 PM

Discord on DU

over the speed of the DOJ prosecution plays right into the hands of the GOP.Time better spent elsewhere.

We should be promoting our mid-term candidates and denigrating their GOP challengers.
There's tons of GOP misdeeds to publicize, get out there folks and help drum up enough outrage to GOTV!!!

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Reply Discord on DU (Original post)
Pantagruel Dec 2021 OP
Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2021 #1
brooklynite Dec 2021 #2
Eyeball_Kid Dec 2021 #8
Sherman A1 Dec 2021 #16
Cary Dec 2021 #23
brooklynite Dec 2021 #25
gab13by13 Dec 2021 #3
MineralMan Dec 2021 #9
CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2021 #4
leftstreet Dec 2021 #5
Eyeball_Kid Dec 2021 #6
Hoyt Dec 2021 #7
berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #10
Mary in S. Carolina Dec 2021 #12
Celerity Dec 2021 #14
Pantagruel Dec 2021 #17
berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #18
TheRealNorth Dec 2021 #11
Gore1FL Dec 2021 #13
Celerity Dec 2021 #15
Sympthsical Dec 2021 #24
CrispyQ Dec 2021 #19
CentralMass Dec 2021 #20
Jilly_in_VA Dec 2021 #21
jcgoldie Dec 2021 #22
iemanja Dec 2021 #28
iemanja Dec 2021 #26
Poiuyt Dec 2021 #27
Act_of_Reparation Dec 2021 #29
Pantagruel Dec 2021 #32
liberalmediaaddict Dec 2021 #30
Silent3 Dec 2021 #31

Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:24 PM

1. I wish to express my discord over the discussion of the discord!

Just kidding, I really just wanted to out-meta you

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:24 PM

2. Discord on DU has no impact on politics in the real world...

Those who are actively engaged in elections and advocacy will continue to do so. Those who limit their activity to blog posts will continue toÖnot.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:36 PM

8. IMO, every blog post, every phone call, every vote, every donation, every hour of "politicking"

contributes to the emerging national "emotional valence" that condemns Trump, fascism, and criminality in politics.

Sometimes, blog posts are all some people can do to contribute in an active, constructive manner.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:59 PM

16. Agreed

There are too many times where folks posting here confuse an Internet discussion board with reality.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 01:27 PM

23. Then why do billionaires spend billions of dollars to spread the exact same

discord and discontent?

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Response to Cary (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 02:01 PM

25. What discord among DU members are they spreading?

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:25 PM

3. Democrats aren't cloned like Republicans.

Having vigorous debates within the Democratic party is what makes us a better party.

I don't see a problem with one side claiming that DOJ is acting behind the scenes. I am not at all upset or offended that those people have that opinion, as a matter of fact, I hope they are right and I am wrong. I have already agreed to eat crow with a side of possum if I am wrong.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:37 PM

9. Well, if you supply a dressed Opossum and Crow,

I will gladly prepare it for you as a delicious meal. You will be pleasantly surprised by it.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:26 PM

4. I couldn't agree more!

When we fight among ourselves, we aren't fighting the damned republicans!

That is very shortsighted.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:28 PM

5. Wait. Isn't the DOJ prosecution part of "GOP misdeeds?"

It's tough signing on to DU and being confused over our scolding

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:29 PM

6. IMO, criticism about the DOJ is fair game.

The agency SHOULD feel pressure to prosecute. AND they should maintain their integrity by insisting on confidentiality. It's all in the game.

It's the naysaying that is difficult to tolerate for the reason that you stated. Predicting that "nothing will happen" is counterproductive. Predicting that Trumpy-Boy will get away scot-free is counterproductive.

Pressuring the DOJ to act and to be transparent when the time is right, IMO, is okay.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:32 PM

7. Hopefully world will soon turn focus from making trump "accountable" to election and legislation.

 

If not, come next November trump will still be walking free and odds will be high of losing at polls.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:40 PM

10. Preserving Democracy is more important than being harmonious at DU

 

This isnít about making friends. Itís about preventing the next Nazi Regime.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:52 PM

12. I agree

 

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:55 PM

14. +1

scolds gonna scold

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 01:05 PM

17. "preventing the next Nazi Regime."

Denigrating the work of the DOJ will not help. DOJ prosecutions are methodically working up from the bottom, collecting evidence as they go. Foot soldiers turn on sergeants ,who turn on captains who turn on generals. It takes time to be done right and not allow cases to be thrown out on technicalities or procedural missteps.

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Response to Pantagruel (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 01:12 PM

18. Who is "denigrating the work of the DOJ"? Certainly, one can ask for action

 

And not denigrate the one you are askingÖ

The hyperbolic response, like yours, is what is creating discord. Not the ask.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:48 PM

11. Just a thought about the DOJ

Perhaps the commission isn't giving everything to the DOJ yet BECAUSE there are still Trump/Republican moles in the DOJ that may leak things to TFG or the media.

That seemed to be a problem with the Mueller Investigation.

Remember, they project and when they talk about the Deep State, it's all about embedding their sycophants into the Civil Service, and you can bet that TFG did it in his 4 years.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:54 PM

13. When I saw this, I was hoping someone was setting up discord channel.

Oh well.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:55 PM

15. lol, ME TOO!

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 01:31 PM

24. I know, me too

I think it would go to hell immediately.

Immediately.

But it would be a glorious three hours.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 01:19 PM

19. You know what plays into the hands of the GOP? Letting them get away with it.

Letting them stall the investigation & run out the clock. Judges giving lighter sentences to insurrectionists than to BLM protestors. Sham "fraudits" being conducted by private entities with only stern letters of warning issued by the DOJ, in spite of clear election laws being violated. That plays more into the hands of the GOP than any hand-wringing here on DU.

This is a discussion board. People are alarmed & worried about the direction the country is headed, & not everyone has people in their real life that they can discuss issues like this with. And just because we're on a discussion board doesn't mean we don't GOTV. I manage to do both, along with a slew of other things in my life. And often what I've read on DU is helpful when I'm making calls to voters.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 01:22 PM

20. Well said.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 01:22 PM

21. Been around Democrats all my life

Never been around them when they weren't bickering...until a Repugnican hove onto the the scene, then it was a solid phalanx and "WTF you doin' here, boy?" As soon as the GOPer left, business as usual.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 01:24 PM

22. We do not need absolute conformity of opinion

I am perpetually taken aback by demands for that here. Getting behind our candidates in election season and putting bitter primary disputes behind us is one thing and in this regard there is strength in unity, but insisting that everyone agree on myriad of issues is just ridiculous and it isn't going to happen especially among liberal minded people who are more likely to reject dogmatic assertions of right and wrong or truth.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 03:53 PM

28. Nor does it matter

People seem to think posting on DU is equivalent to passing legislation or delivering an election, that if everyone agrees, suddenly something will materialize. It doesn't work that way.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 02:09 PM

26. It's not like what we talk about on DU

actually has an impact.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 02:13 PM

27. I can walk and chew gum at the same time

I can criticize the DOJ's pedestrian approach to prosecuting the seditionists and promote our midterm candidates. It's not that hard and it's fun to do!

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 03:59 PM

29. Is that what you see these forums being?

Just a big billboard where we advertise candidates to each other?

The people you need to convince to vote Democrat don't come here, bro. They're independents, or low-engagement voters not interested enough in politics to tool around a place like this. What we discuss here isn't going to sway them one way or another.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 07:18 PM

32. Getting tired of the whining and impatience

"Why hasn't Garland jailed Trump yet?????" WAAAAA!

Spoken by folks who have no idea how hard it is to prosecute anyone, much less a former POTUS with powerful political allies.

Better to take to social media a spread the Lib gospel.Focus on getting Dems elected next year.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 04:00 PM

30. DU has always had spirited debates

That's what makes it great.
If Democrats agreed on everything we'd be just like the Trump cult.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Thu Dec 16, 2021, 04:03 PM

31. GOTV, while important, is actually less important that voter protection and DOJ prosecutions

GOTV is necessary, but far from sufficient, to counter Republican moves to suppress voting and to outright override the will of voters.

A much larger benefit to save our imperiled Democracy will accrue from passing voter protection, and by revealing Republican corruption to the public in a way that only prosecutions and convictions of major Republican players can achieve.

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