Does Nina Turner want to primary Biden... HERSELF?

[NurseJackie]

Does Nina Turner want to primary Biden... HERSELF? It certainly seems that way. In much the same way that some people on the far left thought it would be a good idea to primary Obama, it appears that Jill Stein supporter, Nina Turner (who also famously equated the act of voting for Joe Biden to eating a "half a bowl of shit'') is of the opinion that President Biden should be primaried.

Link to tweet

Josh Marshall
@joshtpm
In perhaps the most predictable development ever, Manchin's betrayal means Biden should face a primary challenge, according to Nina Turner. Lol

Nina Turner endorses Jill Stein

[KG]

1. I lulz'd

[GoCubsGo]

2. Yeah. Whatever, Nina.

I wish people would stop giving this crackpot any attention.

[padah513]

3. That's exactly why they give her attention

Remember her comment about eating a bowl of sh*t? She feels vindicated now. A lot of people do. My late Uncle always said that a half loaf of bread is better than none, and if these two pieces of legislation were still coupled we wouldn't have gotten anything. The BIF is done. We can still work on the BBB. We just have to settle for a half loaf. When we get bigger numbers we can get the other half.

[PatSeg]

20. Nina hates not being the center of attention

Just when you think she's gone away for good, she says something outrageous to get her name back out there. The public attention is like a drug for some people and in that sense, Turner is an addict, an annoying and obnoxious one.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

30. She blew a 25% lead in her last race

[Cha]

36. I remember it was "35%" but

who's counting?

Thank Goodness Ohio 11 wanted Shontel Brown as their Rep!!

[Me.]

4. Oh PLease

what a showboater

[Cha]

37. That's not the word

I would use but whatever!

Again.. Thank Goodness for Ohio 11 sending Congress Shontel Brown!

[Me.]

50. How About...As If

💚🎄❤️🌲

[Cha]

52. Yes, that's a nice

way to put it.

💚🎄❤️🌲

[Just_Vote_Dem]

5. Ugh. Can't stand her

Wants to be a politician but has no clue on how to compromise, one of the essentials to be successful.

[Mike Nelson]

6. Hmm...

... she must be thinking of a challenge, or she wouldn't have mentioned one! And, of course, she wants her name included. I think a challenge can sometimes help the candidate running as a "centrist" pick up indys. However, I'm not sure Nina helps.

[Scrivener7]

7. She's a joke.

[Hortensis]

8. Wonder if she'll eventually commit to that third party they can't get going.

Can't imagine why they haven't with such a fine collection of people energized by one key passion, even if they can't manage to hold together over anything else.

[Walleye]

9. "The movement is going to cry out"?

[Nixie]

10. How pathetic! What's sad is that I think Katie Porter

endorsed her, if I remember correctly.

Nina is a great example that just saying what comes off the top of your head doesn’t make you a good politician, and Katie needs to be a good politician in her district in Orange County. Only those in solid blue districts and states can safely brand build.

[CrackityJones75]

12. Yep.

Sad as it is.

[NurseJackie]

17. Yes. That was disappointing...

... my esteem for her was diminished when I heard that had happened.

[Cha]

40. You remember correctly

unfortunately.

Thank Goodness all those "endorsements" didn't work.. the ones from Hillary & Rep James ClyBurn did!!

[Budi]

49. Katie, Aoc, Bernie, & more...endorsed & fundraised for her..

[Shellback Squid]

11. Trump in heels

[Maru Kitteh]

78. But considerably less charming, and much less viable.

Same ethical structure.

[TheFarseer]

13. If she does it right it could be OK

If it’s a positive campaign attack dogging Republicans and bringing popular progressive ideas to the tables, it could push the national discussion to the left. That would be a good thing. That said, I don’t think Nina Turner is the person to do that. I don’t think she can stay positive.

[karynnj]

31. No, it would not help if it shifts the Democratic party to the left in either 2022 or 2024

Even if nothing in BBB passes, the worst possible case, if you look at everything Biden has done vis executive order or through legislation, he is at least above average on getting progressive things done. If, as is more likely, he gets either a very pared down BBB or a few stand alone bills from the more passable BBB pieces, he could be one of the best Democratic Presidents in the last several decades. This in spite of VERY narrow margins (LBJ had well north of 60 Senators!) and a bad hand of pressing problems including the difficulty of dealing with COVID when a large part of the country is actively working against his efforts.

What exactly would Turner run on? That with 50 senators, Biden could not restructure the civil justice system or pass a voting rights bill? That Biden, like at least GWB and Obama, both with bigger margins and less polarized parties, could not get systemic immigration legislation? How exactly would she or anyone on the left suggest that they could have achieved these goals? I know that the President does have considerable sway in what his party does in Congress, but it only goes so far.

Look, I know that when the idea that we could have a 6 trillion dollar human infrastructure bill, there was joy at seeing bills that were long wanted, but never seen as likely. To some degree, it is possible that Biden will suffer on the left from raised expectations not be missed -- even as the set of things being done exceed what most people would have thought likely in November 2020.

[betsuni]

71. How could they have achieved these goals?

The belief is that most Americans (including Republican voters) are democratic socialists, they just need a True Progressive to lead and inspire them: they'll rise up in class solidarity and join the movement/revolution. The movement will force lawmakers to do the right thing. They don't do that now because they're all corrupt and beholden to wealthy donors and corporations. The True Progressive leader is not beholden, grassroots only. All dysfunction in government is due to money in politics (status quo). The pure and righteous leader will fight for The People and good will conquer evil. The end.

They seriously believe that if you just go to West Virginia or wherever and explain why people are voting against their own economic interests, the scales will fall from their eyes and they'll join the 99% against the 1%. When running for office and that doesn't work, blame the Democratic establishment stopping at nothing to defeat you -- rigging or having more money or some conspiracy (because obviously The People agree with you because you are right).

Needs a religious-like belief and faith, reality be damned. Especially in Nina Turner's case, literally religious. I wondered for a long time why she always said "Hello somebody" until I saw someone explain that it's a church thing.

[Hortensis]

72. :) +100. Although, what enlarges the expectations and ambitions of our

more than 80 million voters is shifts in awareness of what we can accomplish as situations change, not shift of the broad liberal mainstream's ideology and wishes. "Shifting" is almost entirely a way for them to claim credit for what we do, and of course for their partisans and hostile media to puff them up in order to tear us down.

I know what her camp would campaign on in general because it happens every time -- whatever they chose, everything being possible because corrupt corporatists always betray the people, and/or are too callously uncaring to do enough. They need to draw mainstream voters, so they'd claim mainstream values while insisting all the mainstream liberal politicians must be purged (insert reasons from unlimited betrayals here). At the same time social media attack dogs will be running a vicious background campaign, saying things a Democratic candidate of course would never dream of. I could safely bet our retirement savings on those.

Oh, well. If she were to run as a Democrat in the primary, as opposed to third party, that'd necessarily limit her range while it lasted. No "bowl of shit" talk while she ran for congress as a Democrat this last time; that was from before.

[TheFarseer]

73. Turner would run on a lot of things

I don’t need to spell it out. We all know the progressive wish list. Could she pass it any better than Biden? I think that is debatable. She would be pushing much harder for it. There is no possibility of Nina Turner winning a national election, however, so “could she pass anything through Congress” is the wrong discussion to have. The more pertinent discussion is, could she articulate progressive priorities in a way that would increase their popularity among Americans? Again, debatable, but I personally don’t think she is the best messenger, given the party establishment and media pretty much hate her.

[JustAnotherGen]

76. She is a terrible messenger

Who comes off like she looks down on anyone and everyone who doesn't think EXACTLY what she thinks.

[LiberalFighter]

32. She never does anything right.

[2naSalit]

14. People are getting tired of the abrasive...

Brute force and ignorance style of politics and she has nothing else to offer.

She seems to be striving to live up to a couple stereotypes that help no proper cause.

[NurseJackie]

15. I know that I certainly am. However, she did have a big cheering section here...

... when she was running in a special election against Shontel Brown. She was just as nasty and abrasive then too. So very toxic. Everything she touches, dies. Obviously, nothing has changed since then. No apologies and no regrets for being a treacherous Jill Stein supporter... no apologies and no regrets for TWICE comparing voting for Biden to eating a "bowl of shit". She's still "all-in" with the People's Party. She even admitted publicly that she had to (unwillingly and resentfully) run "as a" Democrat because her People's Party didn't have what it takes to qualify to be on the ballot in Ohio. But, that wouldn't stop them... according at least one of the ranking individuals in the People's Party, the original plan was for her to dress-up in Democrat's Clothing and sneak-in to replace Marcia Fudge and then (SURPRISE!!) "switch-parties" by declaring her allegiance to the People's Party.

[2naSalit]

16. I think we need...

To assign legal consequences to deliberately deceiving the voters like that. Someone did that in Texas a couple elections ago and, I think, got away with it.

[NurseJackie]

22. I approve!

[LiberalFighter]

33. Everytime she opens her mouth she is toxic.

[MineralMan]

18. Oh, Sure, Nina! You Go for It!

[MineralMan]

19. Her New Political Party - "Just Us, Democrats!"

[BradAllison]

21. LULULULZZZZ

Yeah, doesn't Nina know you have to become a Senator from West Virginia to derail a Democratic Presidency, and then you'll give them a total pass?

[NurseJackie]

24. Haaa! That's so funny! 😂😆🤣😆😂

[inthewind21]

35. No

All you have to do is run a third party and drag in the likes of Nina Turner. 2016 anyone? SHE and those like her are the very reason we got Trump!

[Cha]

41. Touche' With your Reality Check!!

TY!

[Budi]

48. Reccing this + a million.

Thanks.
The sabotuers emerged from that point. They were already positioned & ready to perform.

Tulsi pushed for Nina's speech at the time.
They had to form their own 3rd Party when DNC got wary of what they were up to.

They thought they'd infiltrate the Party thru the power of the DNC. Easy peasy.
They've never stopped trying.
The Democratic Party was always their target.

2016, Russia, Assange, Wikileaks, & their targeted DNC.
Its a long story with much more being known now than at the time, about the motives & players & how long they'd been organizing their move.
Their bitterness is evident in their continued media campaign against our Party, our leaders & our mandate.

What should have been put to rest in that past event, cannot as long as those who threaten the Democratic Party remain current in their drive to harm.

[George II]

46. What does that have to do with Nina Turner toying with the idea of primarying Biden? Has....

....the Senator from West Virginia ever spoken about primarying Biden or ANY sitting Democratic President? No, but another Senator suggested that 9 years ago.

[BradAllison]

56. Sorry to interrupt George

I know you guys get giddy rambling about completely irrelevant private citizens who might as well be shouting out a window as opposed to criticizing an actual office holder of our party who is fine with killing America and the Biden agenda. Profuse apologies.

[George II]

62. You're claiming that Turner is a "completely irrelevant private citizen"? She's already....

....filed papers to run against Shontel Brown next year, and if you read it this OP is about Nina Turner hinting at someone primarying President Biden in 2024. In fact, she's quoted in the OP when asked if she thought there would be a primary challenge to Biden in 2024, "without a doubt".

Let's talk about that, there are plenty enough OPs around here bashing Manchin these days.

[BradAllison]

63. Because Nina Turner doesn't stand between America and BBB

Your boy West Virginia Joe Mansion does.

I support BBB in it's current form, 100%. I support President Joe Biden's agenda 100%.

Only a red state Republican wouldn't.

I also support Tim Ryan for Senator in Ohio. Do you think West Virginia Joe does? You know he doesn't George, if you're honest.

If you've got any excuses for Joe Mansion, save them and just go ahead rambling about fringe candidates. I know AOC not losing her primary last year really annoyed you!

[George II]

65. So now you're dragging yet someone else in, too. This is about Nina Turner, who is not a "fringe....

....candidate".

In August about $10M was spent on her primary campaign, that's a "fringe candidate"?

As for supporting President Biden's agenda, I'd provide the numbers again but you'll just try to discredit them. But the fact remains, Manchin supports President Biden's agenda more than some other Democratic Senators and Democratic Representatives. And he shows up to vote, too!

[BradAllison]

67. LOL

Here you go, I'll leave you with this. I know you can't stand her either but still.....

Link to tweet

?s=20

Have a wonderful day!

[George II]

70. How do you know who I "can't stand" and who I "hate" (as you said in another post)? I wouldn't....

....dare being that presumptuous myself.

[hlthe2b]

23. She is one wretched, wretched excuse for a human being.

Manchin should send her a donation (if he hasn't already) for her attempt--however feable-- to divert attention away.


If her own self-interests were not so fully on stage, Bernie might have been hurt by her antics. As it is, I hope he will put some distance in the future.

[NurseJackie]

25. The affinity for her is strange indeed.

[George II]

47. It's really surprising that the name of Manchin comes into this discussion.....

....I thought this was about Nina Turner?

[George II]

26. Who exactly is Nina Turner, and what are the electoral accomplishments that make her so....

....important that she can dictate to the President of the United States?

Let's look at her electoral history:

Ran for Cleveland City Council in 2001, lost
Ran for Cleveland City Council in 2004 for a vacated seat, won
Appointed to State Senate in 2008
"Re-elected" (ran unopposed) in 2010
Announced her candidacy against Marcia Fudge in 2012, dropped out
Ran for Ohio Secretary of State, lost
Ran for OH-11, lost the primary to Shontel Brown

She hasn't defeated a single opponent in a primary or election since 2004.

Along the way she supported Sanders in the 2016 primary, he lost
She supported Jill Stein in the General Election, she lost
She was co-chair of Sanders' campaign in the 2020 primary, he lost
After the nomination, she refused to support Joe Biden in the General Election, he won

And as noted, she called Joe Biden a "half bowl of shit" during the General Election campaign, and when asked a few weeks later about it she doubled down by calling him just a "bowl of shit" (no longer half) - that's "playing nice"? And what exactly are these "gloves" she's taking off.

In addition, in late 2020 she co-founded and was her intention to run in the OH-11 primary as a candidate of the "People's Party". But she didn't properly register it in Ohio so she couldn't. As they put it when she announced her candidacy, inasmuch as the People's Party wasn't properly registered in Ohio, she "had" to run as a Democrat, presumably reluctantly.

Soon after she lost the August primary she founded a lobbying firm, "Amare Public Affairs", with the financial backing of right wing Mercury Public Affairs, one of whose clients was a foreign nonprofit connected to Paul Manafort.

A month after announcing her new lobbying firm, her financial benefactor, Mercury, became mired in scandal.

So again, who is she to tell the DEMOCRATIC President of the United States what to do?

Finally, what is this so-called "movement" of which she always speaks? From all appearances her anti-Democratic Party "movement" is standing still.

[NurseJackie]

27. Excellent post. (Quoting this in full, so that I can add it to my DU-Journal.)

Who exactly is Nina Turner, and what are the electoral accomplishments that make her so....
....important that she can dictate to the President of the United States?

Let's look at her electoral history:

Ran for Cleveland City Council in 2001, lost
Ran for Cleveland City Council in 2004 for a vacated seat, won
Appointed to State Senate in 2008
"Re-elected" (ran unopposed) in 2010
Announced her candidacy against Marcia Fudge in 2012, dropped out
Ran for Ohio Secretary of State, lost
Ran for OH-11, lost the primary to Shontel Brown

She hasn't defeated a single opponent in a primary or election since 2004.

Along the way she supported Sanders in the 2016 primary, he lost
She supported Jill Stein in the General Election, she lost
She was co-chair of Sanders' campaign in the 2020 primary, he lost
After the nomination, she refused to support Joe Biden in the General Election, he won

And as noted, she called Joe Biden a "half bowl of shit" during the General Election campaign, and when asked a few weeks later about it she doubled down by calling him just a "bowl of shit" (no longer half) - that's "playing nice"? And what exactly are these "gloves" she's taking off.

In addition, in late 2020 she co-founded and was her intention to run in the OH-11 primary as a candidate of the "People's Party". But she didn't properly register it in Ohio so she couldn't. As they put it when she announced her candidacy, inasmuch as the People's Party wasn't properly registered in Ohio, she "had" to run as a Democrat, presumably reluctantly.

Soon after she lost the August primary she founded a lobbying firm, "Amare Public Affairs", with the financial backing of right wing Mercury Public Affairs, one of whose clients was a foreign nonprofit connected to Paul Manafort.

A month after announcing her new lobbying firm, her financial benefactor, Mercury, became mired in scandal.

So again, who is she to tell the DEMOCRATIC President of the United States what to do?

Finally, what is this so-called "movement" of which she always speaks? From all appearances her anti-Democratic Party "movement" is standing still.

[Budi]

53. God this is damning. Until she's held to account for RW Mercury,

...she can stop projecting that purer than thou persona she uses to collect funds from her hate & lie filled email messaging .

When flat out lies & slander is used to enrich oneself, what's that called?

[LiberalFighter]

34. She is very pathetic. On another note...

If they haven't done so yet the Ohio Democratic Party needs to elect someone else in her spot as a DNC member.

[Budi]

51. K & R . Nina's Movement.

😬

[NurseJackie]

61. It's what she's having for lunch.

[Budi]

64. Yes. Half a bowl for lunch

Do they make a Nesshitspresso machine for the countertop?

Next fundraiser email gift for donations over $500...

[FelineOverlord]

28. I am so sick of narcissistic politicians

They are tiresome.

[NurseJackie]

29. Apparently, it can be quite profitable.

[DFW]

38. To primary Joe Biden, you have to do it from within the Democratic Partyi

I don’t see Nina Turner as a small d democrat or as a big D Democrat.

Maybe there is an English language offshoot of the PDS somewhere that she can play with?

[Wounded Bear]

39. Nina Turner, endlessly seeking relevance...

[NurseJackie]

42. She found it here, briefly.

Although at this point, nobody seems willing to sing her praises these days. But I do recall that there were many here who were very vocal in their desire to see her defeat Shontel Brown in the special election to fill the seat left vacant by Marcia Fudge.

[Wounded Bear]

43. Yeah, but that was the vocal minority of extremists from the far left...

Ms Turner is kind of abrasive in her antics and positions.

[NurseJackie]

44. She has been successful at marginalizing herself... and for that I'm grateful.

Happy Holidays, Wounded Bear!

[Wounded Bear]

45. Happy Holidays, Indeed! nt

[Cuthbert Allgood]

55. Katie Porter is an extremist from the far left?

The things you learn.

[BradAllison]

59. Don't interrupt.....

They're on a roll.....

[Cuthbert Allgood]

66. ...

[BradAllison]

68. ....

[NurseJackie]

69. Nobody said that.

Katie Porter is an extremist from the far left?

Nobody said that. (Except you.)

The things you learn.

Indeed.

[mcar]

54. Why would any media outlet have this

not-Democrat loser on their air?

Oh, and good luck with that Nina.

[NurseJackie]

57. Why would any establishment politician associate with her so closely?

That's a question that deserves an answer (or at least it's one that deserves pondering, even if there's no answer that makes good sense.)

[mcar]

58. Another good question. Nt

[NurseJackie]

60. The baggage she carries, and her toxic style would not benefit anyone...

... and it certainly makes me question the motivation (or judgement) of anyone who thinks that they won't be tarnished by any relation with her at all. In addition to her venomous and sour attitude and hostility to Democrats and Democratic leadership... her "palling-around" with Jill Stein (who was also "pals" with Putin and other Trump cronies) makes Turner damaged-goods. It's her history and her malignant personality that brings down and tarnishes everyone who willingly associates with her, or who endorses her, or who think there's no harm in letting her ride on their coattails. She's a leech that feeds off of others and sucks the life out of anything honorable and good. Her "bowl of shit" comments (twice!) and her treachery in supporting Jill Stein (bitterness? revenge? stupidity?) have sealed her fate. She'll only be a gadfly and spoiler.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

74. I really do not care what Nina thinks on this or any other issue

Link to tweet

[NurseJackie]

77. That's a great tweet!

[JustAnotherGen]

75. I can't stand her

And she hates the Democratic Party