No one knows if the DOJ is doing anything about January 6th except

[boston bean]

they have brought cases against those who breached or committed violence upon others that day.

What we do know is there has been zero indication they are pursuing the planners or organizers.

Having lived through fitzmas, 2016, meueller, my confidence is low with them (DOJ) taking any action in those more egregious crimes.

I would change my mind about it though if it were the republicans in control and the Dems plotted an insurrection.

Call me jaded, call me skeptical, whatever. But I think history shows my position and belief holds more credence than those who believe they are doing some super duper secret thingies when there has not been not even one indication they are doing so.

I will be very happy to be wrong.

[RKP5637]

1. Yep, seems to be business as usual, until proved otherwise by the DOJ, which I hope is the case, ...

that the shit hits the fan!

[Bettie]

2. That is where I sit right now too

been burned too many times to believe that anything will happen to the right wing, connected, and wealthy (or pretend-wealthy).

No one except the rubes actually see consequences.

I'd love to be wrong, but I don't anticipate that.

[berni_mccoy]

3. If they were, there would be tells. But there isn't.

So it’s more likely than not that the DOJ is doing nothing.

[Eyeball_Kid]

49. And if there WEREN'T, there would be tells.

There are plenty of people inside the DOJ who would gladly leak information if the DOJ were NOT investigating and pursuing the prosecution of the organizers. Everyone inside DOJ knows that the leaders/organizers must be prosecuted. Everyone knows that it's the only way to behave as a justice department. If these criminals are not being pursued, all hell INSIDE the DOJ would break loose, and leaks would be everywhere.

But that's not happening. All is mum. And my optimistic guess is that it's mum because something big is going on, and because many of the principles are high profile individuals, there must NOT be any leaks. That's why we're hearing nothing.

[berni_mccoy]

51. Not that you'll look up or anything

Let me ask you this:

What’s more likely? A civilian with no obligation to remain quiet stays quiet about a bombshell story or a DOJ official leaks that nothing is happening?

Or how about this? Not a single search warrant has been issued?

[NoRethugFriends]

4. A summary of your correct post. "This country is totally fucked" (nt)

[RKP5637]

5. Yep, that's pretty much the bottom line, I fear. n/t

[LenaBaby61]

8. Looking at Nicole on MSNBC right now ...

And she and her round-table are speaking about Officer Dunn whose beyond hurt that NOTHING is being investigated as it relates to the Capitol Policemen from that horrible January 6th Civil insurrection (Caught the tale end. Hope I viewed and interpreted the part of their conversation I saw correctly).

That's what the GQP US Taliban Party wants--almost NO investigation on the policemen who were beaten up, injured, killed and who committed suicide. Blue lives don't matter when they're not right-winged blue lives who walk in step with the GQP US Taliban Party.

[smirkymonkey]

53. That is pretty much the way I am seeing things right now.

Maybe I am just going through a depressive episode and everything looks bleak to me, but this is the way things are looking to me right now and I don't really see a happy ending. I hope I am wrong.

[dem4decades]

6. Agreed, not a whiff of any DOJ activity anywhere. No one fighting

Subpoenas, no leaks about Grand Juries, no one fighting FBI requests, nothing.

Many people voted Democratic to see justice to these traitors and not just the low level scum being charged now.

And having Congress lead the charge with toothless Subpoenas is insulting, thanks for nothing.

And I'm not criticizing Congress, they're doing the best they can with a shit hand.

[Bev54]

57. Read this DU post about Empty Wheel, she has been pretty good at

looking at court proceedings which give us some indication where things are going. As long as the courts keep finding these top PB's and others guilty of conspiracy, by many different judges, it will be easier to get Trump and others on the same charges.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216190015

[XanaDUer2]

7. Maybe a general statement

Could be made without specifics that could be leaks.

From the DOJ. Just that they're moving forward with investigations and yadda.

[Scrivener7]

12. Given that the Democracy is at stake, you would think they would have done this if

they WERE moving forward.

[XanaDUer2]

14. That's what worries me

Hope I'm wrong

[boston bean]

26. Comey had no problem stating Hillary was under investigation a week before Election Day.

I am sorry. Why are the rules different for democrats? Or is it just we don’t want to play by those rules, even with democracy at stake. W

[Scrivener7]

27. The rules always are different for Democrats, aren't they?

This is crazy.

[dchill]

50. The rules are meant to keep law abiding citizens in line...

...therefore, Republicans win because only one team is following the rules.

[Bettie]

58. Republicans don't believe laws apply to them

and, very often, they are right, it seems. It is endlessly frustrating.

[dchill]

61. What I'm saying.

[RKP5637]

15. That is what one would think should happen. In its absence, people will invent

in their minds what is going on and/or propaganda will fill the void ... making the US gov. and DOJ look really ineffective. And opportunists will make full use of this, and NOT in the best light for the country. Communication is so damn important.

[Sewa]

9. Whatever

Nothing is something, gotcha. 🤙💀

[IbogaProject]

10. After decades of only pursuing slam dunk cases they've gotten scared of uncertainty

After decades of only pursuing slam dunk cases they've gotten scared of uncertainty. They got lazy with so many slam dunk mandatory minimum drug cases, a few show terrorism cases with heave informant involvement and the usual low hanging fruit of Medicare and Medicaid billing fraud cases. They only wish to bring cases they feel they should win in front of a jury and try to get pleas to avoid even those going to trial.

Cases like this will have one or more R on the juries and they don't want to loose. I've heard there is a kind of incentive system to encourage them having high conviction-plea to loss ratios. If not overt financial incentives, the path to advancement does consider that kind of ratio. I read a post from the civil rights lawyer Tony Sera that if no one coperates after a raid in california the Feds will often simply give up and not prosecute.

[RKP5637]

16. Sadly, with their ongoing lack of even brief communiques, this seems likely ... FFS. n/t

[Grasswire2]

65. Yeah, and they even let Bannon walk with no bond and no gag order.

There he is, on his podcast, traitoring all get out.

[onenote]

24. "handful of misdemeanors, even fewer felonies"?

Well over 700 have been arrested. This isn't traffic court. It takes time to prepare these cases. If every one had to be individually tried, it would tie up DOJ and the courts for years. So DOJ seeks plea bargains. This has led to over 150 guilty pleas -- mostly for misdemeanors because the accused aren't likely to accept a plea on a felony charge (although there have been more than just a handful of felony guilty pleas). But over 270 of those charged so far have been charged with at least one felony.

It seems like some DUers have forgotten the rules about due process, trials, etc. and are disappointed that those arrested for attacking the Capitol aren't summarily being declared guilty and sentenced.

[Scrivener7]

28. Sure. That's what this is about.

[boston bean]

29. They could open up a special prosecutor. And they better do so before the mid terms.

[onenote]

33. In order to appoint a special counsel, they'd have to acknowledge a conflict of interest

in having Biden's DOJ handle the cases. That would spill over into challenges against every single case that the DOJ has brought relating to election, the post-election lies and attack on the Capitol as well as cases that might be brought against Giuliani and other Trump associates.

Not going to happen.

[boston bean]

34. It will happen.

For this reason:

That under the circumstances, it would be in the public interest to appoint an outside Special Counsel to assume responsibility for the matter.

[IbogaProject]

13. I'm still hopeful as they have gotten cooperation agreements

I'm still hopeful as they have gotten cooperation agreements. Time will tell.

[mopinko]

20. they have, from several defendants,

including some fairly high up.

my big worry is how many of tfg's leave-behinds are fucking things up.
garland has sooo much house cleaning to do.

[Enoki33]

17. While the impatience with the apparent

inaction of the DOJ is understandable, what is not is the baseless speculations that nothing is being done. Even an amateur like me knows a prosecution of this type is like an octopus with a hundred tentacles that each have their own legal and political complexities. Maybe we should all cut the DOJ some slack. We are not dealing with Barr. They are not corrupt. They will not betray our country.

[gab13by13]

32. Time for the quote from Churchill,

just a paraphrase; the only thing worse than the evil and death that Hitler brought into the world is that good people stood by and allowed it to happen.

I am tired of posting concrete examples of when Garland chose not to prosecute.

[BlackSkimmer]

18. Yep.

This.

[onenote]

19. Here is what the DOJ could be doing behind doors

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First, they could be identifying, reviewing, and analyzing the statutory provisions -- and the relevant case law pertaining to those provisions -- that they think would provide a basis for indicting Trump, members of his administration and/or members of Congress. Second, they could be identifying with particularity the specific provable evidence that could be presented to support a conviction if an indictment could be obtained. Third, they could be considering and analyzing the wide range of arguments -- constitutional, statutory, and factual -- that would likely be made by those put on trial. Finally, they could be researching and assessing how they would rebut each of those arguments.

All of the above needs to be done before any case is brought to a grand jury. And notwithstanding the view apparently held by certain DUers that there is a slam dunk case against Trump, members of his administration and/or certain members of Congress, this is essentially uncharted territory involving statutes that rarely if ever have been used and that have some constitutional baggage. Consequently, it's not something that DOJ -- no matter who is AG -- would do casually or quickly. The ramifications -- both legal and political -- of bringing a case and then losing it would be significant.

And it's not as if there is nothing else for DOJ to do. Over 700 people who participated in the attack on the Capitol have been arrested and preparing and pursuing charges against each of them takes time. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/eleven-months-jan-6-attack-capitol

[empedocles]

30. TY

[gab13by13]

36. No one said there are slam dunk cases.

One more time; investigate and then if there is not enough to indict then don't indict.

I get tired of being on the side that is accused of being the negative side. Well I'm sorry, I'm not going to stop pushing for DOJ to act.

If DOJ is waiting for the select committee to refer criminal cases before it acts we are doomed.

The DOJ has more clout than the select committee, has more resources. DOJ can go to a judge and get a warrant to obtain phone records, it takes 6 months for the select committee to get the same information.

[AverageOldGuy]

43. That's what they COULD be doing.

WTF are they doing? If any of that were going on, there would have been at least one leak. The silence from DOJ is clear -- Sleepy Merrick Garland does not want to touch that hornets' nest.

And -- remember -- November 2022 is almost here and DOJ has a policy of not investigating or announcing investigations within 90 (?) days of an election out of concern of influencing the election (unless, of course, the investigation is into Hillary's emails).

[VarryOn]

21. I think this just shows the incredible power of the bureaucracy to move at its own chosen pace...

Although, I wish Biden appointees could spur them on to action. Every administration seems to have its issues with the mandarins at DOJ.

As frustrating as it is that little has happened as it relates to Jan 6, the pace may work to Dems advantage for the 2022 mid-terms. At the current rate, this will still be a big issue come election day. This is one issue that works to our favor.

[gab13by13]

37. That's not what Matt Miller just said.

To convict Trump for the phone call, criminal intent must be proven. It must be proven that Trump knew he lost the Georgia election.

Not saying that it's not possible just that it's hard, and we don't know what other evidence prosecutors have.

[ancianita]

39. Intent is proven in the transcript. He said, "All we want.... " So it's proven. He broke GA law.

They could be waiting for him to be convicted in a state whose governor won't pardon him.

[gab13by13]

42. Don't kill the messenger,

I'm just repeating what Matt Miller said. He claimed that if Trump truly believed he was cheated out of the election his intent to find votes would not be criminal. Miller went on to say that Trump could bring in his cronies, Rudy and the Kraken to verify that they believed there was fraud in Georgia. It is key to prove that Trump knew he lost Georgia.

[ancianita]

63. Ah. You are ON it. Now I got it. Thank you.

[monkeyman1]

23. jan. 1- exactly 10 month's to figure out shit !! mid term's !!!

[multigraincracker]

25. We may worry about it, but

not nearly as much as they are.

[fwvinson]

31. I heard or read somewhere, that Congressional Hearings will be held this coming summer. That's what

I heard.

[gab13by13]

44. Liz Cheney has nothing to lose,

she can work full time on the committee.

[BigmanPigman]

38. If the DOJ is pursuing this I will apologize

but right now I have little confidence they are actively looking into prosecuting those involved with Jan. 6.

[mn9driver]

40. Based on what has and hasn't been prosecuted over the last 45 years,

You are right to be concerned. I no longer have any expectation that anything will happen. I would love to be wrong; I very much doubt that I am.

[AverageOldGuy]

41. You are not jaded.

You are exactly right.

I'm 77. I have preached and preached and preached to my local Democratic committee, my district committee, and to my state committee as well as to DNC reps that DEMOCRATS ARE NOT KILLERS. Instead, we think everything can be solved by holding hands and singing Kumbaya. And now we have a President and AG who are cut from the same mold. Sleepy Joe talks about the good ol' days in the Senate -- someone needs to wake him the fuck up and convince him the good old days are gone. Sleep Joe appointed Even Sleepier Merrick Garland as AG.

Not a single ringleader will be indicted or punished. They will get away with it and in 2024 they will succeed. And this is why I am stocking up on shotgun, pistol and AR-15 ammo -- because my rural VA county is a nest of these vipers.

[gab13by13]

46. I am 74 years old, voted for McGovern,

and in 1 year Joe Biden is the best president I have seen in my lifetime. I am a progressive and am tired of Democratic presidents campaigning as progressives and then governing as moderates. Joe Biden governs for the little guy/gal. I voted for Joe Biden in the 2008 primary because he was a devout union man. The president, any president, has no business ordering his AG what to do.

President Biden has accomplished more in one year than I could have ever imagined.

[ancianita]

64. I respect my elders...

we don't know exactly how the parts are moving. We might be guessing correctly, but 2022 isn't over yet.

[KPN]

45. Reflects my sense, feelings and logical conclusion

exactly. There is absolutely no good reason to not be concerned about whether DOJ is pursuing anything meaningfully or effectively to thwart those who would usurp democracy — none. The absence of even a scintilla of evidence that DOJ is effectively investigating or taking steps to hold those who perpetrated 1/6 accountable provides every reason to be concerned, impatient and skeptical. What I do know is that thus far, no meaningful accountability has been achieved for those who orchestrated the criminal acts involved in two consecutive national elections. Yeah, a few key players were indicted and convicted during Mueller, but every single one of them is free and operating to undermine our democracy right now — that’s certainly not meaningful accountability by any stretch.

To say we should be patient in the face of what we actually do know — not a scintilla of evidence that anything is going on, the failures thus far to achieve accountability, and a ticking time bomb strikes me as quite naive frankly. Far better that we continue to express deep concern, impatience and even anxiety and anger about the seeming lack of urgency if necessary to keep pressure on Garland and the DOJ.

[CrispyQ]

47. I don't want to demoralize you, but it looks like the Jan 6th committee

won't have an interim report until next summer, with plan to release a final report in fall.

https://democraticunderground.com/100216190336

They are going to have public hearings, although nothing has been scheduled yet. I was hoping to see some real action right after the first of the year, & have kept myself hopeful, but if the committee doesn't finish until fall, Garland won't have time to do anything before the election. If we lose the house, the investigation is over.

DiFi is on record as saying that she doesn't think that democracy is in danger. Perhaps that's a more prevalent attitude among dem leaders than we think. ???

I'm trying really hard not to be demoralized by this story.

[Progressive Jones]

48. I'm not too happy with the lack of multi-decade prison sentences, and the lack of

Jan 6th terrorists being executed.

[liberalmuse]

52. I have zero faith in our government right now.

The CDC throwing healthcare and other essential workers to the wolves at the behest of an airline CEO (I don't think that was a coincidence) and now the DOJ not doing much of anything about the most treasonous breach in the history of this country. I'm not sure what's going on, but it's demoralizing.

[Mr. Ected]

54. And this is how democracy is lost

Due process can't keep pace with political shenanigans.

Democracy can't keep pace with capitalism.

Truth can't keep pace with social media.

Buh, bye.

[smirkymonkey]

55. I agree with you BB, but what is even more important than what those of us here at DU

are thinking about this is the way the general voting public is perceiving this. Particularly Dems and Independents. It is LOOKING like Garland and the DOJ are doing nothing, regardless of what might be going on behind the scenes. It doesn't look like our side is doing enough to right this wrong. The average voter out there is not paying attention to politics the way the most dedicated person here is. They are only seeing that nothing is happening.

That is going to be highly demoralizing to many voters in the next election and between that and Republican outright fraud and cheating, we are going to lose. And then it will be over. I hate to bring doom and gloom to this board, but I honestly believe that is what we are looking at. The sooner we realize it, my hope is that we will snap out of our complacency and use every weapon in our arsenal to stop these bastards from destroying our democracy.

And I mean everything. I don't care if it's not all completely above board at this point. This is a crisis and we need to take action. We need to stop them any way we can.

[BlackSkimmer]

56. Kick.

I will be happy to be wrong too.

[stillspkg]

59. Just a bit

Waiting and hoping to be freed from the hostile forces that continue to beat the drum of destruction gives me a bit, just a bit of a glimpse of what it must be like to be a refugee.,,in our own country.

[Treefrog]

60. Rec.

[Diablo del sol]

66. And the face of the House investigation.....

Is a Republican. A spawn of a previous piece of shit who wasn't prosecuted.

It is so damn out of control that it is laughable. The optics are horrendous. Just wait for 2024 and the piece of shit Chuck Todd calling out Dems for being weak against fighting against a coup and needing Liz Cheney to lead the troops.

And the cheerleading squad will come in and complain about Dems not voting in the midterms are the problem, while running off in another thread and complaining about AOC and anyone else who dares to fight fire with fire.

[Grasswire2]

67. I'm confident that Adam Schiff has told us the truth.

He said that he has seen no evidence of any DoJ investigation into TFG interfering in Georgia election results.