I don't want to offend anyone...

[WarGamer]

But there are a LOT of hawks around these days who'd love them some war with Russia...

Will THEY be on the front line?

[Yandex]

1. Yes, there are! Bravely spoken n/t

[Turbineguy]

2. You can be sure

they will not.

[Haggard Celine]

3. They'd better not live near any major population centers or

military installations. That's where the nukes will fall. War with Russia wouldn't be like the so-called wars we've had in the past 50 years. Russia can hurt us and even bring it home.

[Happy Hoosier]

38. And they would reap their own destruction

Brinksmanship is dangerous, but Putin is no fool. He’ll push only as far as he can with the risk of all out conflict. The real question is how much we are willing to let him take before we draw the line.

[LoisB]

4. No.

[peppertree]

5. They'll be cashing in

Like they always do.

[OAITW r.2.0]

6. Not me. Will be happy to support the Ukraine in their fight to counter Russian aggression.

A united NATO will make Putin pay a huge price - I expect that if Putin invades, he better scramble for that fortress he built with 100's of millions, probably billions, of Russian assets that he stole. One well placed bullet could avoid the collateral damage such a war would bring.


Wonder which side the US Senators and Representatives of the Republican Party will choose?

[Kablooie]

7. Hawks never fight. They always expect others to fight for them.

That's why they are hawks.
If they had to fight themselves they'd reverse their views quickly.

[Celerity]

13. chickenhawks they are called

[Polybius]

39. Except for John McCain and Rep. Dan Crenshaw

McCain was at least consistent, as is Crenshaw today. They love war and even volunteered to fight in it.

[Deuxcents]

8. No.

Nor will those with a silver spoon in their mouth...very few of those with convictions. War is not the answer even tho it seems like a bumper sticker these days. We all want the offenders vanquished but sending our verybest to do the business of war is not the answer.if I had the .. THE answer I would not be here. I pray for level mindless n if it is war..make sure we have a purpose..first in n no retreat..no surrender..get it done right the first time.

[Celerity]

9. had one 6 months back or so (just guessing) who said we should pre-emptively attack Russia itself

nuke them if need be

they were serious

[WarGamer]

22. ffs... sounds like a troll. Who would say that???

[Celerity]

24. it was a long time poster here, deffo not a sockpuppet troll, & some others seem to agree with them

If memory serves, I think you were maybe in the thread, pushing back on it all, not sure, and I did not bookmark it.

I was getting really argy bargy, so I logged off and went out with wifey before I totally lost my shit. I think US foreign policy is where I will have a major cleavage with many here, so I try and avoid the subject as much a possible (and fail at times, lolol).

[BlackSkimmer]

35. I think I remember that.

I don’t remember participating, just watched in horror/astonishment.

[Celerity]

37. Ironically there is something similar happening currently on another thread.

Keyboard commandos on the march. Funny thing that, it is almost always (at least in the majority of cases I have seen) people who are far too old to fight demanding the young go die for them.

[Tetrachloride]

10. I bet that On any given day, I average seeing more Russian people than any other DU memb

.. than any active DU member.

New arrivals from Russian airports to my area is 500 - 2000, depending on holidays and size of airplanes.

They mostly hang out in their hotels but some mingle in normal tourist streets.

[Deuxcents]

19. Where are you?

Please explain your post. I’m unable to understand

[Tetrachloride]

20. Hurghada, Eg

[kimbutgar]

11. Why isn't everybody condemning fucker Carlson for advocating for Putin?

If a Democratic news person said they supported Putin over the US they would be hung up in hastily erected gallows.

Where is the MSM outrage over that fucker?

[Xipe Totec]

12. I'll have to get an okay from my gerontologist. nt

[Ray Bruns]

14. We are not warhawks. Most of us served.

We just remember what happened the last time a man in Europe started demanding territory that wasn't his.

It led to a ruined Europe and 60 million dead.

Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

[NoRethugFriends]

18. And what would you suggest our course of action should be?

And there were no nuclear weapons then. There are now.

[Ray Bruns]

28. The way you prevent war is letting the aggressor know he will pay aprice.

What you don't do is say we may not respond like Biden did the other night.

[NoRethugFriends]

29. He indicated we would not respond militarily. Putin already knew that.

He did talk about NATO sanctions, which would hurt the already crappy Russian economy.
A military response by us would be disastrous.
And this isn't 1939. (except, of course, for fascism in our country)

[Ray Bruns]

31. How soon we forget the lessons of the past.

It might as well be 1938 Munich. The world works the same way today as it did then.

[Act_of_Reparation]

33. How, exactly, do you see this playing out?

[Tommymac]

36. No it does not. That is the same s*** as saying 'Both side are the same'.

The Human Species has evolved culturally, economically and politically.

In 1938 the World was still 'piecemeal' and fragmented. We did not have a Global Economy with PRIVATE International Financial and Business Interests holding so much power.

Economic Sanctions in a totally GLOBAL Economy can and WILL be brutal.

And leaders are still by and large SANE - 'MAD' is still a viable strategic concept that is feared everywhere.

Biden is no Chamberlain - that is a RW talking point for sure.

[WarGamer]

21. I've studied 4000 years of warfare.

I can identify instances of "righteous war" or such a thing...

Maybe in the 8th Century when Charles Martel raised an army to throw the invading Umayyads out of Europe?

Even WW2...

But the world today is so interconnected and "shared"... I don't think war is warranted under any circumstance.

Sit down, work it out like adults.





No one wants a 21st Century war. We're talking hypersonic anti-ship missiles that can tear a US Carrier group apart in a moment... hypersonic nuclear warheads... it'd make Iraq look like a fistfight at the high school cafeteria.

[EndlessWire]

26. The problem with working it out like adults

is that it takes two people to do that. Putin is interested in taking Ukraine. It doesn't seem like he is interested in being a pacified adult.

If they come for MY country, I am going to fight like HELL.

People on these threads are talking like Russia is superior to the US and its allies in terms of assets. We don't know everything about what we have, and Russia shouldn't assume that it can prevail in a World
War. Of course, I would hate to have to administrate such a large country, but they could lose.

This isn't a matter of being a chickenhawk. If we let Russia take Ukraine, he will not stop. He got Crimea; I guess he now wants at least the Donbass area. But, if he can, he'll go all the way. We won't be able to sit here and let him do that. We have lessons in history a la Hitler about evil ambitions and what could happen. Sometimes the choice isn't yours. But, I do wonder every day now if I am going to wake up to WWIII. Or, maybe I won't wake up at all.

[WarGamer]

43. ludicrous... did you just write

Russia shouldn't assume that it can prevail in a World
War. Of course, I would hate to have to administrate such a large country, but they could lose.




So... you think that the US could, you know... march on to Moscow like the Germans in 1941 and take over the country... and set up a post-war government... of Russia?

You can't possibly be serious, right? You're just trolling right? I don't know how to respond... it's like someone is arguing that the Earth is flat.

[EndlessWire]

44. LOL...careful now

I think you should refrain from those personal insults. I did not insult you, although I think I should get a free shot now. But, I would prefer that you just not respond, as you stated you did not know how. That's obvious.

Yep, I am not so quick as to assume that we will lose a war with Russia. And, since Russia is the same as any other country, it will soak up freedom from Putin very quickly. And, we'll do what we always do...rebuild the infrastructure with billions of U.S. dollars from our taxpayers.

I don't remember any 1941 takeover of Moscow or Russia by the Germans. When did that happen? I do recall that Russia fought like hell against Hitler.

In any nuclear war, everyone will lose. We will all lose territory from contamination. So, before you next accuse me of unrealistic expectations, just remember that I am not advocating war with Russia. I just object to the general opinion that we will lose, and Russia will win, when in reality no one wins. I don't think that Putin should be adventuring along Ukraine's borders, especially since we have recent history of his annexing the Crimea, which did not belong to Russia. That crap about "Russian citizens" wanting to be annexed is just that, crap, when he needed a seaport. That's all.

I agree that nations should be able to sit down and discuss stuff with one another, but it doesn't seem likely when Putin moved assets in place. That's not the way you do diplomacy. I think we have moved past that which was attempted in the past with him. And, he doesn't have the right to tell Ukraine not to apply for membership in NATO--kind of funny when membership in NATO is to obtain help from other countries to push back against the likes of Putin.

[VarryOn]

15. We're going to wake up some morning soon...

And find Russia has invaded Ukraine. The ChiComs will be watching. Our response will be critical, else Taiwan will be a goner.

[WarGamer]

23. Better fuel up the B1's and B2's then... send out a couple carrier groups!!

We still have a few thousand M1A1 tanks laying around somewhere...

Wooohoooo!!!!!!!

[Celerity]

25. Taiwan will eventually be taken back by China & there is nothing the US can or will do to prevent it

It is just the way it is a nuclear/hypersonic world.

[Polybius]

40. Taiwan might be China's Vietnam

I don't underestimate their will to fight of China.

[SCantiGOP]

16. I don't want war

I certainly don’t want war with Russia, but I also believe we should support Ukraine.

[madinmaryland]

17. Most of the MSM is jonesing for a wargasm. So there is that.

[betsuni]

27. Who? Could you please explain?

[Kingofalldems]

30. Got a link on that?

I have yet to see one.

[Polybius]

41. Here ya go

And also the pro-war reply.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16277316

[FakeNoose]

32. How many US Presidents - besides Joe Biden - had a son or daughter serve in combat?

Joe Biden is the ONLY President who knows what it's like to send a child into combat. Not Bush, not Reagan, not Eisenhower, not even JFK. Maybe Roosevelt did (?) and it would have been WWI or earlier.

My point is that Joe Biden takes it seriously. He will think very hard about committing any troops to fighting anywhere. And if he ever does, he'll make sure it's for a damn good reason.

That is all.

[Zorro]

34. Kermit Roosevelt Sr. -- of the Teddy Roosevelt line -- served in WWI

That was after his father's term in office.

John Eisenhower -- son of Dwight -- served in WWII and the Korean War.

Too many people -- who have never heard a shot fired in anger -- seem eager to go to war.

Perhaps they think their experience playing video games has shown them what to expect.

[Polybius]

42. Please help me in this warmongering thread

I'm getting attacked for being anti-war. Pro-war posts galore.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216277145#post4