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Bluesaph

(703 posts)
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 08:46 PM Jan 2022

Zelle, PayPal, Venmo etc

So I’m hearing that anyone getting more than $600 deposited using any of these platforms will be 1099’d at the end of the year. This was part of the infrastructure deal.

How did something like this get in there? All these billionaires have all the write offs but the little people selling used items on offer up now get dinged!

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Zelle, PayPal, Venmo etc (Original Post) Bluesaph Jan 2022 OP
I think Zelle is exempt Generic Brad Jan 2022 #1
Zelle is included Sympthsical Jan 2022 #9
Your linked article says Zelle IS NOT required to issue the tax forms. nt GoodRaisin Jan 2022 #16
Which year? GreatShakes66 Jan 2022 #2
annually, starting for the 2022 tax year Celerity Jan 2022 #5
What is the definition of "commercial income"? madinmaryland Jan 2022 #17
Topic No. 407 Business Income Celerity Jan 2022 #19
Applies to charges for commercial goods or services. LisaL Jan 2022 #3
You get a "write-off" too, what you paid for item and maybe some other costs Hoyt Jan 2022 #4
I was audited over forgetting to claim $4. In interest questionseverything Jan 2022 #6
Would have been easy to handle, write a check for 80 cents. Hoyt Jan 2022 #7
I wasn't given that option questionseverything Jan 2022 #12
They'll know what PayPal, EBay, etc., means. Hoyt Jan 2022 #15
You're not even supposed to get a 1099-Int dumbcat Jan 2022 #10
That's true now questionseverything Jan 2022 #11
My Custom Sewing clients pay me via PayPal ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2022 #8
Taxes isn't the problem for me Bluesaph Jan 2022 #13
this is just commercial money? Grasswire2 Jan 2022 #14
I always want to minimize my dealings with the IRS madville Jan 2022 #18
My brother is really pissed about it. nt ecstatic Jan 2022 #20

Sympthsical

(9,024 posts)
9. Zelle is included
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 09:13 PM
Jan 2022
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/venmo-paypal-zelle-must-report-600-transactions-irs-rcna11260

I can just see myself getting audited. I shuffle so much money back and forth over Zelle it's ridiculous. But none of it is "commercial" so it doesn't count. It's just shared expenses, friends paying me or me paying friends for various things. But a lot of the house stuff with me and my partner runs through Zelle because we have separate bank accounts.

I know we should open a separate joint account for house expenses, but with the pandemic and everything, we just never got around to it. Our local branch was closed for ages, and they permanently closed the next closest location.

Maybe this'll be the impetus to finally get on that.

Celerity

(43,048 posts)
5. annually, starting for the 2022 tax year
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 08:57 PM
Jan 2022

Last edited Wed Jan 26, 2022, 12:03 AM - Edit history (3)

Starting Jan. 1, the IRS said, if a person accrues more than $600 annually in commercial payments on an app like Venmo, then Venmo “must file and furnish a Form 1099-K” for them — reporting on all the commercial income they collected through the app.

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
17. What is the definition of "commercial income"?
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 11:58 PM
Jan 2022

Our dog walker takes Venmo as does a local bakery. They should be subjected to the tax, but the people selling blenders as a one off or even a junker car for $700.

Celerity

(43,048 posts)
19. Topic No. 407 Business Income
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 12:06 AM
Jan 2022
https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc407

Business income may include income received from the sale of products or services. For example, fees received by a person from the regular practice of a profession are business income. Rents received by a person in the real estate business are business income. A business must include in income payments received in the form of property or services at the fair market value of the property or services.

Sole Proprietorships

A business may be organized as a sole proprietorship, partnership, or corporation. A sole proprietorship is an unincorporated business owned by an individual. A sole proprietorship has no legal identity apart from its owner. Business debts are obligations of the owner of the business. A limited liability company (LLC) owned by one individual is treated as a sole proprietorship for federal income tax purposes, unless the owner elects to treat the LLC as a corporation. A sole proprietor files Schedule C (Form 1040), Profit or Loss from Business (Sole Proprietorship) to report the income and expenses of the business and reports the net business earnings on Form 1040 series. A sole proprietor who has net earnings from Schedule C of $400 or more must file Schedule SE (Form 1040), Self-Employment Tax. A taxpayer uses Schedule SE to figure self-employment tax, which is the sum of the social security and Medicare taxes on self-employment income. A taxpayer also uses Schedule SE to deduct one-half of the self-employment tax. For more information on sole proprietorships, refer to Publication 334, Tax Guide for Small Business.

Partnerships

A partnership is an unincorporated business organization where two or more persons join to carry on a trade or business, a financial operation or venture. Each person contributes money, property or services in return for a right to share in the profits and losses of the partnership. An LLC with more than one owner is generally treated as a partnership for federal tax purposes, (spouses in a community property state who are the only owners of an LLC and share in the profits of such, can file as a single member), unless the LLC elects to be treated as a corporation. A partnership reports its income and expenses on Form 1065, U.S. Return of Partnership Income. The partnership itself doesn't pay income tax. Each partner receives a Schedule K-1 (Form 1065) and/or Schedule K-3 (Form 1065) PDF that indicates the partner's distributive share of partnership income, expenses and other items, determined in accordance with the terms of the partnership agreement. Partners report on their income tax returns the amounts reported on the Schedule K-1 and/or Schedule K-3. For more information, refer to the Instructions for Form 1065 PDF. For more information on partnerships, in general, refer to Publication 541, Partnerships.

Corporations

The term corporation, for federal income tax purposes, generally includes a legal entity treated as separate from the persons who formed it under federal or state law or the shareholders who own it. It also includes certain businesses that elect to be taxed as a corporation by filing Form 8832, Entity Classification Election. Corporations report their income and expenses, and calculate their tax on Form 1120, U.S. Corporation Income Tax Return. For more information on corporations, refer to Publication 542, Corporations. Corporations that meet certain requirements may elect to be taxed under subchapter S of the tax code by filing Form 2553, Election by a Small Business Corporation. S corporations file Form 1120-S, U.S. Income Tax Return for an S Corporation and are generally not subject to regular income tax. Most income and expenses of an S corporation are passed through to the shareholders on Schedule K-1 (Form 1120-S) and/or Schedule K-3 (Form 1120-S) PDF. The shareholders report on their income tax returns the amounts indicated on the Schedule K-1 and/or Schedule K-3. For more information on S corporations, refer to the Instructions for Form 1120-S PDF.

LLCs for Federal Tax Purposes

A Limited Liability Company (LLC) is a business structure created under state statute. Depending on elections made by the LLC and the number of members, for federal tax purposes, the IRS will treat an LLC as either a corporation, partnership, or as part of the LLC owner's tax return (a disregarded entity). For more information, see Limited Liability Company (LLC).

LisaL

(44,967 posts)
3. Applies to charges for commercial goods or services.
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 08:52 PM
Jan 2022

"The tax-reporting change only applies to charges for commercial goods or services, not personal charges to friends and family, like splitting a dinner bill."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/venmo-paypal-zelle-must-report-600-transactions-irs-rcna11260

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. You get a "write-off" too, what you paid for item and maybe some other costs
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 08:53 PM
Jan 2022

you paid such as storage, upkeep, etc.

IRS is not going to come after someone making a few thousand from eBay, PayPal, etc. $20,000, need to keep good records because it sounds more like a business.

questionseverything

(9,644 posts)
6. I was audited over forgetting to claim $4. In interest
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 08:59 PM
Jan 2022

The little guy is the one they do go after because those cases are easy

The big money takes too much time

questionseverything

(9,644 posts)
12. I wasn't given that option
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 09:29 PM
Jan 2022

I didn’t end up owing anything but the idea of an audit was terrifying for me as a young person. My point remains the same, an unexplained 1099 will trigger an audit and small fry are the ones the irs has the man power to go after.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,675 posts)
8. My Custom Sewing clients pay me via PayPal
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 09:09 PM
Jan 2022

If I quote a commission at say $2000, I usually get half up front to protect the sale. Perhaps I will ask if they mail it to me instead. I do keep good records, pay my taxes owed.

There are people like me who use PayPal. I use Square for local clients, I might have to hand enter Credit or Debit cards. I pay fees, which I expense out as Bank Deposit fees when I do my end of year numbers for taxes.

Bluesaph

(703 posts)
13. Taxes isn't the problem for me
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 09:31 PM
Jan 2022

I don’t make much on selling furniture I paint on Offer Up and art I create on Etsy.

The good thing for me was not having the hassle of “office work” since I retired partly because of memory issues. Using my left brain makes me happy. Stressing over right brain things causes anxiety and depression!

I so feel resentful about this added burden. I’ve read it was Biden’s idea!! I love Joe! But this idea is annoying!

madville

(7,403 posts)
18. I always want to minimize my dealings with the IRS
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 12:02 AM
Jan 2022

I’ll just make sure to stay below the threshold with these new rules and do cash only even with family stuff so I don’t go over $600 on the apps.

Took me 18 months and multiple interactions to sort out my last issue with the IRS from 2019, sent me a letter saying I owed $650 in taxes for a check payment I received for a power line easement in 2018, after much back and forth and documents they dropped it and said “our mistake” “you owe nothing” about 6 months ago.

Just a PITA, want to keep things as simple as possible.

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