Trumps infamous Sharpie signature, markings, may come back to haunt him.

[fightforfreedom]

Manhattan prosecutors have a large cache of trumps financial records. Many of the records have Trumps sharpie signature, initials and hand written notes. Trump actually wrote notes on financial records.

Trump is being investigated for tax, bank, and insurance fraud. There is evidence in trumps records showing fraud, but like many cases you have to prove intent. Trumps sharpie markings could prove intent. Handwriting evidence is just as good as fingerprint evidence.

Trump cannot say I did not know about the documents, I did not see the documents, somebody else did it , not me.

NY prosecutors are waiting for a court decision that will force Trump to turn over records he is still hiding. Trump will most likely lose that case.

The NY AG is waiting for a court decision that will force Trump to sit for a disposition. Trump will most likely lose that case.

It would be ironic if Trump was taken down by a sharpie.

[dalton99a]

1. Yep. Follow the Sharpie

https://www.insider.com/donald-trump-prosecutors-have-cache-sharpie-scrawled-documents-2022-2

Follow the Sharpie: Prosecutors probing Donald Trump are sitting on 'tons' of documents bearing his handwriting, sources tell Insider
Laura Italiano

Handwriting signals literal, hands-on contact, making it harder for the subject of a probe to deflect personal accountability onto a company financial officer, or onto an outside accountant or assessor.

"Obviously it strengthens a case considerably when the government has documents that have been written on by the subject of an investigation," said Duncan Levin, a former prosecutor of major economic crimes who once headed the Manhattan DA's assets forfeiture bureau.

"If a jury sees someone's handwriting on a document, it does a lot to bring a document to life," added Levin.

Hard copy documents will form the bulk of any case against the notoriously computer-averse former president, James has suggested.

[underpants]

2. What Marty Byrde (Ozark) would do

After he ruins the toilets at Mar a lago flushing documents he buys 4 times more toilets than needed, pays with cash, way over pays for the toilets and installation, and POOF lots of Russian money is laundered.

[Lettuce Be]

3. Why is intent supposedly so difficult to prove?

If I lie on tax documents, I have broken the law. If I lie on loan documents I have also broken the law. The intent is obvious in the lying. Why, in the case of the wealthy, is this so opaque? It seems crystal clear to me.

I said my property was worth little to pay less tax. I said it was worth more to get better loans. The intent is pretty obvious.

[SunSeeker]

11. Yup. It's up to the jury, and any juror with common sense would deduce the obvious intent.

The prosecutors need to grow a backbone and bring all this shit to a jury. Sure, they risk losing, but without even trying, they have already lost.

[Chellee]

13. Were you lying or just wrong?

"I'm sorry, I didn't know."

"I thought that was true when I wrote it down."

"I wasn't lying, I was simply mistaken."

Wealthy people, and white people, and especially wealthy white people, and even more especially wealthy white people in positions of power, are given a greater benefit of the doubt when they say that it was all just a big misunderstanding.

In this case it seems obvious that he's lying, at least to me, it seems obvious. But he's also really obviously stupid, and someone else might be more sympathetic to that.

[lastlib]

15. "Mistakes were made."

They never put the blame on themselves. They try not to attach a name to the act. It was some clerk down the way who put it in wrong.....

[Chellee]

18. Well, yeah.

And the wealthier a person is, the more others they have doing stuff for them, and the more opportunities to blame confusion. So many people had their hands on it, who knows when the original mistake was made? It just got shuffled along and nobody picked up on it.

[ymetca]

25. Right!

So the conundrum is finding the "balance" between having enough people in on it so that someone else can take the fall, but not so many that some of them start to rat you out if they get pinched or squeezed.

It's almost like he went to mob boss school or something. Like someone, ya know, actually taught him all that stuff. Hmmm...

[CrispyQ]

14. That's my question, too.

We have to prove Trump meant for Raffensperger to steal the election. Here are some selected quotes from the Trump/Raffensperger call.

Trump to Raffensperger: So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.

Trump to Germany: Look, we need only 11,000 votes. We have are far more than that as it stands now. We’ll have more and more.

Trump to Raffensperger: So what are we going to do here, folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break.

Trump to Mitchell: All we have to do, Cleta, is find 11,000-plus votes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-transcript-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/2768e0cc-4ddd-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html

Here’s the full transcript and audio of the call between Trump and Raffensperger

By Amy Gardner and Paulina Firozi
January 5, 2021


About 3 p.m. Saturday, President Trump held an hour-long call with Brad Raffensperger, Georgia’s secretary of state, in which he repeatedly urged him to alter the outcome of the presidential vote in the state. He was joined on the call by White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and several lawyers, including longtime conservative attorney Cleta Mitchell and Georgia-based attorney Kurt Hilbert. Raffensperger was joined by his office’s general counsel, Ryan Germany, and Deputy Secretary of State Jordan Fuchs.

~transcript at link, which doesn't seem to be behind a paywall

[deelee]

20. The entire Nation has heard the evidence

...and the perp remains free. WTF is wrong here??????

[Miguelito Loveless]

4. Headline:

“X May Come Back to Haunt Trump”.

Repeat daily until Trump dies of old age.

[COL Mustard]

5. NO! It was all forged. DJT never done none of it!

Those records are as phony as Obama's birth certificate!!! It has to beeeeeeeee!!!!!!

Okay, if there's any doubt, !!!!!

[ananda]

6. Like

Lock him up!

[Captain Zero]

7. Funny story, illustrative, years ago

I attended a small church and so did a federal judge and members of his wife's family. I had been elected to begin a term as financial secretary but hadn't started it. This judge's sister in law was the outgoing financial secretary. There was an intervening , congregational meeting before the new year and reports were being accepted. The judge and his son attended the big meeting and were sitting near me. His sister in laws financial report was passed out and let's just say it was very rudimentary or simple in it's details. The judge's son was an MBA. They were looking over the report together and the son, not knowing his aunt had written it said something like "WHO submitted this?" The judge turned to the last page and said, "I would assume the person who signed it."

Haha. Good insight into how judges look at things like that.

[OMGWTF]

8. TFG's signature looks like a drawing of a KKK rally.

[Fritz Walter]

17. I've noticed how it looks like a seismograph

Particularly one recording a Magnitude 9 earthquake.
Kinda' like his impact on our country. Devastating.

But now that you mention it, I see the "hoods" poking up. All that's missing is a burning cross!

[pandr32]

19. I just looked it up and it does!

Perfect--kind of like Lorena Bobbitt's last name.

[fightforfreedom]

24. Good one.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

28. Sharp observation! And so apropos.

Wish I'd seen that!

[Klaralven]

9. Back in the day, the lawyers said never write on a copy of a document

Copies of documents are not subject to retention.

Once you make any mark on the copy, it becomes an original subject to retention rules.

[SergeStorms]

10. TFG had his very own autographed model....

of presidential Sharpie. He couldn't have been expected to sign documents with just any Sharpie. It had to have his name emblazoned upon it, because that's what being an egomaniac is all about.

Newell Brands manufactures Sharpie pens, so I checked them out on 'Open Secrets'. Turns out they contributed far more in 2020 to Democrats than republicans. They donated over $15,000 to Biden's campaign, and only about $4,500 to TFG. They also gave to Warren, Sanders and a few more Democrats. They donated far less to GQP candidates, but they're not a huge source of cash for politicians of any ilk. They contributed less than $80,000 total in 2020.

I don't imagine they made any money on TFG. He would have demanded they be gratis, but they did get some free advertising from it.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

29. Rich people always get stuff for free.

A very wealthy asshole I know was given a Lamborghini. I guess maybe they charged it to the advertising budget, having a celeb seen driving their brand car.

IIRC, and he drove it a little and then sold it.
😆

[SergeStorms]

30. Yeah, the unwritten law.

The more money you have, the more people shower you with free stuff.

Hell, you don't really need the money. Just give the appearance of having money, and they'll do the same thing.

Just like the more money you have, the less you'll have to pay in taxes.

When I was young I always thought it would be so great to be rich. When I got older I started to notice how most rich people acted, and what their personalities were like. If money would turn me into one of those assholes........forget it, and I seriously mean that.

[KS Toronado]

12. Meanwhile, FailedCoupGuy is busy flushing

the documents asked for, some covfefe did it not me.

[calimary]

16. WHATEVER works.

WHATEVER finally takes this slippery, squirming Devil-eel down, works more than okay for me.

I’m torn between Devil-eel and Demon-eel. Which do you like better?

[Qutzupalotl]

21. Sharpie trumps dullard.

[CanonRay]

22. I don't care who takes him down

I don't care how, or where, or with what. Just fucking do it already.

[LiberalLovinLug]

23. I expect in five more years we will move on to the next stage of the prosecution

Yawn.
I've stopped being excited about the latest headline about prosecuting Trump for anything serious.
Just based on history. I waited for years with baited breath hearing how W Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, would be charged with various offences, after war crimes and illegal spying on Americans, war profiteering, etc.

Trump has become a messiah to the greedy, the bigots, the fundies, and the idiots. You know....Republicans. And the Republican party knows this is now their base. And are fine with that. Trump will never have to use his own money again to defend himself. He will always have the most expensive, best, lawyers money can buy gifted to him by, if not directly the R party, then dark money laundered from other sources.

They will circle the wagons and protect Trump by all means necessary. It will only be if they do catch him red handed murdering someone on 5th avenue, or a similarly egregious crime, in the open, that there's a chance he will ever pay for his crimes.

[ymetca]

26. With the ginned up threat of violence from the loyal mob

All so some Gerald Ford type stand-in can say, "for the sake of healing this nation..."

We never really tore the scab off that horrible wound. It is no surprise to me that Roger Stone is right in the middle of it.

The Nixonites were always Nazis.

[Duppers]

27. Agree, unfortunately. 🤬

The DoJ just seems way too timid (intimidated?). It's puzzling. Do they fear a civil war, violent outbreaks, or another charge on the Capitol if he is charged??

Oh, I do think they have quite enough evidence to charge him already. Who here doesn't believe that?

My only hope is NY state AJ Letitia James and even that's not in the bag.

Said many times: the country is being dangerously undermined by RW lying media, the poor ignorant who believes them, and the whoring lawmakers along for the ride. As you said, it's all about greed and mind-boggling ignorance.