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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhere you live and nuclear war.
Not meant to be a panicky thread, just an analysis of what you think your chances of living through the initial nuke drops in a hypothetical WW3.
I dont really know where an enemys nukes are pointed, but I would think major cities; which means anyone living in flyover or redneck country would be the safest. Safest meaning, you survived to see the New Stone Age. Not like you could order delivery at that point. Calling it living is a bit of a stretch as well.
That would be kind of ironic, the red empty red states being the safest to be sitting in during an event like that.
Or maybe I am way off and there would be so many nukes that it would not matter where you reside. City or on a farm in the middle of nowhere hours away from a major city not really making much of a difference.
Straw Man
(6,622 posts)... I've always been told that the safest place would be New Zealand.
Chainfire
(17,523 posts)I wouldn't want to attempt to survive the aftermath of a nuclear war.
nini
(16,672 posts)take me out when the bomb lands and let me go.
csziggy
(34,135 posts)I read "Alas, Babylon" far too young - it was set not far from where I grew up and the thought of living in such a bleak future was very depressing.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)And head to the backyard. We were too close to McDonnell-Douglas here in St. Louis to really think about trying to do much else. Its about the same now.
JanMichael
(24,881 posts)We were always told that it really didn't matter if the nuke started following we would be vaporized. So that was fun.
PCIntern
(25,518 posts)Thats right .
dwayneb
(767 posts)Airforce Base, there is little doubt that we'd be goners in the early going here.
Point is there are plenty of locations in Red States that are targets. There will be more than enough nukes to go around.
Most folks don't know that Russia has more nukes than USA.
Russia has 5977, USA has 5438, and about 130o scattered among the other nuclear powers.
https://fas.org/issues/nuclear-weapons/status-world-nuclear-forces/
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)When I was about 10 my dad sat me down with a map. He drew a wide circle around Wright Pat. He said everyone inside the circle will be dead pretty quick. Of course we were inside the circle.
I don't remember worrying about it too much as a kid.
Less now. I don't think anyone will ever launch because it'll be the last thing that they do.
multigraincracker
(32,658 posts)kozar
(2,106 posts)I grew up in ND, thanks for the memory flash!
Koz and LilBit
mnhtnbb
(31,381 posts)already--and I now doubt that I will unless when I go to Bonaire in April I just stay--I hope I go in a flash. I have no interest in trying to survive nuclear holocaust in our country of more guns than people.
panader0
(25,816 posts)It's an important communications base and I'm about 15 or so miles away. So for me, a nuclear war
would just be a quick flash. Yeehaw!
LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)
assuming I lived to see the leftover, is humorous. I would not have done well for most of human history, because I fear a world where I dont have toilet paper to wipe with and just have to walk around dirty after going.
Honestly; that is it. The thought of no easy ass wiping makes me cringe the most.
MiHale
(9,713 posts)People tend to poop less when they have nothing to eat. Nothing in nothing out. Hope this helps a little.
bucolic_frolic
(43,118 posts)Sure beats months of civil strife and radiation poisoning. I mean seriously if more than 4 or 5 of them go off, mankind is doomed.
Strelnikov_
(7,772 posts)There was a recent study that found that 20% of the worlds population would die from starvation following a limited exchange between India and Pakistan, due to a reduction in crop production in the US midwest, and other grain belts, from global cooling.
We live in a complex industrial society.
Owl
(3,641 posts)Polybius
(15,367 posts)We used to test dozens per year in the 50's, so 4 or 5 won't destroy all of mankind.
blogslug
(37,997 posts)As for nuclear war, there will be no safe place.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)are some critical steps to surviving the initial blast and immediate aftermath.
1. Don't inhale or ingest radioactive material.
- So if you were out and a nuclear event ocurred where the Shockwave didn't kill you put on mask (to filter out particulate
matter and don't drink or eat anything that may have been contaminated.
2. Get to a shelter as fast as possible
- Minimizing how much radiation you are exposed to is key to your survival. Public radiation shelter or a basement. From memory feet of concrete or dirt such as a basement with dirt cover at least 3 side.
This will mimize radiation exposure to your body that would give you radiation poisoning and a quick a miserable death. Radiation levels drop to a somewhat safer level after a number of days.
3. Take potassium iodide pills to protect your thyroid..
- potassium iodide protects your thyroid from absorbing radioactive iodine protecting it from radiation damage. The thyroid gland is the part of the body that is most sensitive to radioactive iodine.
4. A source of non contaminated food and water.
- This would have had to have been stored in advance in the shelter.
5. Sanitary concerns. At minimum the trash bag lined 5 gallon bucket with a toilet seat.
6. A Geiger counter and dosiometer to determine when radiation levels are safe enough for you to venture out and test food/water and to see how much radiation you have been exposed to.
In the end you would probably wish that you hadn't survived the blast. Having one round in the glock 9mm might be a better option.
DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,919 posts)My chances are not good. During the Cold War, the Detroit area was targeted with multiple ICBM's due to how many factories are in the area. The whole "Arsenal of Democracy" thing. The number directed our way is probably lower now, but there are still plenty of factories here so I'm sure there would still be a few headed in my direction.
One thing to point out, major population centers aren't actually priority targets. Some will definitely get hit, likely multiple times, but that's due to what is in the city, not the city itself. Military targets, especially our own silos, sub pens, and air bases are the highest priority. Communication and early warning radar as well. And ports, harbors, and large airports. The whole idea is to try to destroy as many of the other guys nukes before he can launch a retaliatory strike, make them blind, hamper their communication/coordination, and prevent them from being able to move troops and equipment around. That last part was especially important for the Soviets as they wanted to prevent us from reinforcing Europe.
Also, some places would get it multiple times. The Soviets knew their missiles weren't as accurate as ours. Nowadays, they have to worry about our missile defense. For important stuff, they won't just target it with a single warhead. In the past it would be because they couldn't guarantee a direct hit. Nowadays they have to worry that the missile could be intercepted by our missile defense system. Now I know our missile defense system doesn't have a great track record in working. Doesn't matter. Its a possibility so the Russians have to account for it.
Norbert
(6,039 posts)We live relatively near GE Aviation. They make jet engines.
LittleWoman
(259 posts)You might want to watch/read On the Beach--movie based on the book by Nevil Shute. I imagine there still is a video somewhere or you could read the book. As I remember the movie was fairly faithful to the book.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)It terrified me as a child in the 60s.
XanaDUer2
(10,634 posts)Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)The book is even more depressing.
John Ludi
(589 posts)in a rural area...but not all that far from Ft. McCoy...so I'm fucked, basically.
But I always figured that when it all went down my last bullet would be for me. Beats radiation poisoning.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)No matter where you live.
Walleye
(30,997 posts)We lived 5 miles from Dover AF base, a huge strategic facility. I sometimes looked up in that direction and imagined the mushroom cloud. Yesterday walking around where I live now, about 3 miles from Joe Bidens house, I suddenly imagined a mushroom cloud over this neighborhood, sickening
we can do it
(12,180 posts)Lots of Dover AFB flyovers.
Walleye
(30,997 posts)Seems that Rehoboth would be an even easier target. Hoping none of that ever comes close to happening. Nothing we can do about it, but it stirs up old fears
HAB911
(8,873 posts)Been nice knowing you all.
Generic Brad
(14,274 posts)I live near a major military base. If full on nuclear war breaks out we are acutely aware we would have no chance.
Nay
(12,051 posts)lived near a big Air Force Base in Florida during the Cuban Missile Crisis -- we expected to be wiped out any minute.
Walleye
(30,997 posts)And now, living in Northern Delaware, I often see the presidential motorcade go by out my back window, not too far away. His church is about 500 yards from here. Up until this latest threat, I have thought of this as an area easy to protect. Now Im starting to get a new feeling in the pit in my stomach
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,376 posts)Strelnikov_
(7,772 posts)dameatball
(7,396 posts)It depends on what magnitude of weapons hit. I assume that Florida would be pretty much toast no matter where one lives.
I grew up about 15 miles from MacDill AFB in Tampa, which was SAC headquarters at the time if I remember correctly. We did the duck and cover drills in elementary school but I think most of us knew it was just to make us feel better.
mnhtnbb
(31,381 posts)I was nauseated after getting out of the shower. Realized it was the acute anxiety brought on by thinking about nuclear war. Nausea is gone, but I have that just below the surface of full out jittery sensation.
Damn Putin. Damn Trump. Damn Republicans. Two YEARS of Covid--and it ain't over, yet--and now the very real threat of nuclear war from a fucking bully? Those two BOTH have talked about the idea of why have nukes if you aren't going to use them?
Damn, damn, damn.
Nay
(12,051 posts)this goddamn Ukraine stuff.
Walleye
(30,997 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)another thing, then along comes that thing -- jeez. I sure wish I'd never had a kid. The poor guy. If it was just me, well, I could handle that better.
Best_man23
(4,897 posts)If they're stupid enough to press The Button and I have enough notice, I'll take my wife and our kitties and we'll all go out to the screened porch. I'll open up a bottle of our favorite bourbon, pour a drink, light up a cigar, and wait for the flash.
nini
(16,672 posts)Walleye
(30,997 posts)csziggy
(34,135 posts)Just like this:
For those of us who were in school then, this movie is great.
nini
(16,672 posts)I even knew it was pointless as a little kid.
Wounded Bear
(58,626 posts)Puget Sound is the best salt water port in the Pacific Northwest. Several bases in the area, including USAF and Naval bases, and sub pens.
Yeah, I'm toast.
Trailrider1951
(3,414 posts)I'm down here near Orting. I haven't been this worried about Thermonuclear war since the Cuban Missile Crisis. What was that song? Oh yeah, "We'll all fry together when we fry".
Iggo
(47,546 posts)Duck and Cover bullshit.
No more.
relayerbob
(6,543 posts)I long ago decided if the nukes are incoming, Ill go out in the street so I get vaporized. Living in the aftermath would be, well, less than pleasant.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,336 posts)... wondering how long it would take nuclear missiles to get here from Cuba. I figured an Air Force base would be high on the target priorities.
We'd have enough time to bend over and kiss our asses goodbye.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)to scare people. There is not going to be a nuclear war.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)This war has really brought out something.
Wingus Dingus
(8,052 posts)RobinA
(9,888 posts)halfway between DC and NYC. I used to worry about this stuff.
WarGamer
(12,425 posts)Iggo
(47,546 posts)The missiles start flying, Im plugging in and turning it up to 11.
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)Its because of the winds.
electric_blue68
(14,854 posts)The monthly Siren Drills were terriffying bc of course the they were so LOUD! (besides the implications) And much of the time I was in school...
we had one right on the rooftop! Omg!
Jspur
(578 posts)targeted since after Silicon Valley, Boston, Seattle it is 4th when it comes to the tech industry, and it is big for medical research development.
electric_blue68
(14,854 posts)it was terrifying seeing a mid western city's people looking up, and watching the missles from their
near byish silos arcing up into the sky heading towards the Soviet Union!
I do believe WWIII will probably not happen.
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)the corridor between NYC and DC was referred to as Nuke Alley. Any and all places in-between were considered scorched and done.
Right now, I'm living outside the Philadelphia city limits. So, we're back in the 'alley' once more.
However, when we lived in TN these last 20 years, we lived within 8-10 miles of Oak Ridge National Laboratory, a leading nuclear power and neutron research facility, another ripe target.
Either way, we're crispy critters. The only bright light in all this (no pun intended) is our family and friends all live in our current area.
So if it were to happen? We're in it together.
Weirdly enough, just today my husband said: If the bombs were to ever fly, I'd walk towards it. No way would I want to survive a nuclear apocalypse. For myself? I'd want to be with my kids and grand baby.
The red states, the Trump&Putinhumpers? They can own that grim future, have it all to themselves.
EX500rider
(10,834 posts)Russian's unlikely to go with countervalue (cities) over counterforce (military targets), it just invites counter strikes against Russian cities. I live near MacDill myself...after the flash I should have about 50 seconds to find a manhole cover to open and dive down...lol
LuckyCharms
(17,425 posts)I'd be dead in a nanosecond where I live.
Swede
(33,230 posts)Now where is safe.
tosh
(4,422 posts)but surrounded by large military bases.
I'm 60 miles (less as the crow flies) from a major army base, but also there are 4 large air bases almost forming a semi-circle around me at 100-240 mile range with the Gulf of Mexico filling in the other half of the circle.
A flight path passes right above my roof, commercial and military. A lot of copter traffic whenever something is going on.
It can be rather unsettling under nearly normal circumstances but no, I don't feel a safe distance from a nuclear strike.
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)The farm was located between Houston, Austin, and San Antonio.
My parents took us to the farm just to get us away from the TV.
We would have been fried.
I spent the last three days of the crisis mostly flying kites.
I am now retired in the Hill country.
Sort of close to Austin.
I do not think I want to survive anyway.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)BTW, not all of the empty redness is safe. That's where many of the missile silos are.
Emile
(22,623 posts)They say all the nerve gas has been destroyed and the ammunition plant has been shut down for years. Who knows? It still might be a target.
Kaleva
(36,291 posts)VGNonly
(7,484 posts)will be used in WW-III, but WW-IV will be fought with rocks and sticks"
Albert Einstein
irisblue
(32,955 posts)Me & the cats will be atoms.
maveric
(16,445 posts)Ground zero.
onethatcares
(16,165 posts)CentCom if I'm not mistaken.
our asses are grassess if the manure hits the whirling blades.
VGNonly
(7,484 posts)Sault St. Marie, Michigan and Ontario. Not only the Soo Locks, Algoma is the 2nd largest steel mill in Canada.
inanna
(3,547 posts)We are (apparently) also a target.
Stinky The Clown
(67,779 posts)Less that Ironman distance to DC, less than marathon distance to NSA.
I would expect an air burst over either one would do it.