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Cheezoholic

(2,016 posts)
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 01:46 PM Mar 2022

Several reports of downed Russian aircraft

including 2 SU34's, being reported in the last 24 hr's. 6 fighter/bombers and 3 helicopters by my count, some of which yet to be confirmed. Could be a good sign that that the weapons being supplied are getting where they need to be.

https://liveuamap.com/

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Several reports of downed Russian aircraft (Original Post) Cheezoholic Mar 2022 OP
That or Russian's are still having... Omnipresent Mar 2022 #1
Both things can be true, and probably are. dchill Mar 2022 #2
It's likely some combination of both Jerry2144 Mar 2022 #16
"The Su34 prefers kippin' on his back - beautiful plumage!" hatrack Mar 2022 #30
Or someone's bummed Putie's planes are getting shot down. denbot Mar 2022 #17
2 SU34.... OneBlueDotS-Carolina Mar 2022 #3
Yeah I saw that. It has a galley and toilet on it. underpants Mar 2022 #5
The were crashed intentionally to make room in the sky for even more glorious Russian fighters. nt Gore1FL Mar 2022 #8
Maybe not purposely Cheezoholic Mar 2022 #11
They can land anywhere and are hard to hit with Stingers relayerbob Mar 2022 #22
Right, the AN-2 is versatile and not what air defense systems are designed to stop caraher Mar 2022 #25
That's about 80 million down the tubes. The SU34 cost a lot of rubles.. This thing is huge mitch96 Mar 2022 #9
Jesus, it's like a mini-B1 bomber! NickB79 Mar 2022 #18
With out the stealth!! nt mitch96 Mar 2022 #19
Emphasis on mini relayerbob Mar 2022 #23
Don't forget the five star restaurant with chef. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2022 #27
Gordon Ramsey would sign up!! It's just macho enough for him... Then again mitch96 Mar 2022 #29
Losing planes, trains and automobiles, and their drivers, is the cost of war. Chainfire Mar 2022 #4
What I would like to see is NATO Satellite imagery appearing on an OnDoutside Mar 2022 #6
I suspect that imagery is getting to Ukrainian hands. nt Gore1FL Mar 2022 #14
At a high level, definitely but I think it would feck with the Russians OnDoutside Mar 2022 #32
Good to see US and NATO weapons BlueIdaho Mar 2022 #7
It's gotta hurt when a multi million dollar aircraft is taken out with a $100K man portable rocket. mitch96 Mar 2022 #10
I heard the jet.... OneBlueDotS-Carolina Mar 2022 #13
From the Babushka Brigade! n/t Cheezoholic Mar 2022 #15
This is good news, the best alternative to a no-fly zone. n/t AntiFascist Mar 2022 #12
Kjiv Independent retracted the claim of a SU-34 shot down after people confirmed... WarGamer Mar 2022 #20
That's an interesting and informative link! Sogo Mar 2022 #21
Russian Mi-24 shot down by Ukrainian forces LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2022 #24
This is possibly the best footage I've seen of a Russian Hind being shot down OnlinePoker Mar 2022 #26
Send more stingers The Jungle 1 Mar 2022 #28
Sounds like the Ukrainians have good anti-aircraft artillery. Baitball Blogger Mar 2022 #31

Omnipresent

(5,706 posts)
1. That or Russian's are still having...
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 01:50 PM
Mar 2022

Quality control problems with their military equipment.
Every country has them to an extent, but Russia is notorious for gremlins in the machinery.

Jerry2144

(2,099 posts)
16. It's likely some combination of both
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 03:31 PM
Mar 2022

But it doesn't matter. Each crashed Russian plane can't bomb.

Are they crashed or are those planes pining for the Fjords of Norway?

denbot

(9,899 posts)
17. Or someone's bummed Putie's planes are getting shot down.
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 03:35 PM
Mar 2022

So to save the masters embarrassment, they say those planes simply “fell out of the sky”.

OneBlueDotS-Carolina

(1,384 posts)
3. 2 SU34....
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 01:58 PM
Mar 2022

The greatest war machine in the sky, mankind has ever created, bet they were downed by The Glorious Russian land forces, Hail to Putin!

The ruskies just brought the SU34's yesterday.

Cheezoholic

(2,016 posts)
11. Maybe not purposely
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 03:11 PM
Mar 2022

But Russia is definitely throwing a lot of their wartime land an air relics, including the least experienced young conscripts, out front in these offensives as fodder to soak and soften up Ukrainian defensive weapons and personnel. Hell, theyre dragging AN2's from the 40's out of mothballs to fly out of Belarus.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
25. Right, the AN-2 is versatile and not what air defense systems are designed to stop
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 04:33 PM
Mar 2022

The Pentagon used to worry that North Korea could use them to sneak attack South Korea (apparently NK has a very large number of them):

Before his Guatemalan adventure, J.D. snagged a U.S. Navy contract to fly one of his airplanes as a radar target. In this test, the airplane demonstrated another of its celebrated characteristics: its ability to fly unbelievably slow before stalling. “We lumbered along at 60 knots [about 70 mph], maintaining altitude so the Navy could capture the radar signature,” he says. The test, run out of Naval Air Station Point Mugu in California, was meant to support the sale of F-15s to South Korea by proving that the radar—built by Lockheed Martin and used at the time on the Navy’s F-14 Tomcats—could track slow Antonovs, which the North Koreans flew in the 1990s to transport commando paratroopers. “We flew 30 or 40 miles out to sea in the Pacific Missile Test Range to rendezvous with an F-14,” says Webster. “The F-14 got back to base in about 10 minutes. It took us 45.”

The controllers at the base tower were accustomed to jets; “they couldn’t figure out what we were,” Webster says. “When they started tracking us, I got a call saying ‘What are you? Are you a helicopter?’ ”

“It will fly a lot slower than that,” says John Webster. Along for a ride in Guatemala in 1997, when Kharitonov demonstrated the airplane’s stall behavior for the pilots in the start-up air service, Webster was astonished when Kharitonov flew at such a slow speed—around 35 mph—that the airspeed indicator stopped working. He was demonstrating a landing in what Webster calls “the parachute mode,” which entails stalling the aircraft down low and having it drop onto the field. “You might bend the airplane,” says Webster, “but you’d walk away.” The Antonov’s operator’s handbook doesn’t bother to list a stall speed. Pilots could control it at such slow speeds that Soviet paratroopers would practice low-level jumps into snowdrifts without parachutes.

mitch96

(13,890 posts)
9. That's about 80 million down the tubes. The SU34 cost a lot of rubles.. This thing is huge
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 03:04 PM
Mar 2022

for a fighter bomber. You can lay down in it and stand up in the back...Big boy...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34

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relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
23. Emphasis on mini
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 03:59 PM
Mar 2022

su-34 Carrie’s 18000 pounds of bombs, B-1 in excess of 80,000.
the galley and toilet is to give it extra range for maritime strikes.

mitch96

(13,890 posts)
29. Gordon Ramsey would sign up!! It's just macho enough for him... Then again
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 06:04 PM
Mar 2022

There wont be any terrified cooks to bully around..

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Chainfire

(17,528 posts)
4. Losing planes, trains and automobiles, and their drivers, is the cost of war.
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 02:06 PM
Mar 2022

It feels good to see Russian planes going down in a fireball, and it deserves a little cheering, but it is not significant in the grand scheme of things. It becomes important only when the ratio of missions to losses become untenable. I hope that the Ukrainians can get there.

OnDoutside

(19,953 posts)
6. What I would like to see is NATO Satellite imagery appearing on an
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 02:38 PM
Mar 2022

unattributed website showing Russian positions including artillery positions, troop build-up and fuel depots etc under the guise of public information but in fact would be in the field help for the UA and anyone else who wanted to have a go.

OnDoutside

(19,953 posts)
32. At a high level, definitely but I think it would feck with the Russians
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 06:52 PM
Mar 2022

If their positions were being constantly published, so local militias had the coordinates of the nearest enemy.

mitch96

(13,890 posts)
10. It's gotta hurt when a multi million dollar aircraft is taken out with a $100K man portable rocket.
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 03:06 PM
Mar 2022

OneBlueDotS-Carolina

(1,384 posts)
13. I heard the jet....
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 03:15 PM
Mar 2022

screeched along on a low level strafing run, was taken out by a Molotov cocktail tossed into the jet inlet by a Ukrainian grandmother.

WarGamer

(12,430 posts)
20. Kjiv Independent retracted the claim of a SU-34 shot down after people confirmed...
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 03:51 PM
Mar 2022

The downed jet in the pic was an SU-25

OnlinePoker

(5,719 posts)
26. This is possibly the best footage I've seen of a Russian Hind being shot down
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 04:34 PM
Mar 2022

The poster gives a good analysis of what shot it down.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
28. Send more stingers
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 04:52 PM
Mar 2022

Stingers are one of the reason russia left Afghanistain.
A single man on the ground can take out your jet. But you can't see him!

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