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fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 07:19 AM Mar 2022

The Supreme Court is in big trouble. Every decision Thomas has made is now tainted.

Thomas must resign, that is a no brainer. I am not a lawyer, but I believe the Democrats, lawyers, are going to look at all of the decisions Thomas has made and what his wife was up to at that time. The Democrats will probably demand Thomas recuse himself from certain future cases. I do not see how the Supreme Court can move forward with Thomas on the bench.

This is unbelievable, the text messages she sent to Meadows were insane. Just when you think things cannot get more insane, they do.

For months now I have said Meadows is the person Garland must focus on. He was involved in everything when it comes to the attempted over throw of our country. Meadows is mentally weak. We know this because he always plays both sides of the fence with other people. Indict Meadows and he will sing like a jailhouse rat.

We have never seen madness like this in our history.

Rudy is insane, we all watched his madness. Flynn and his family took an oath to Q. That's insane. Powell, Trumps lawyer is insane. We all know Trump is insane. I don't know how this madness is going to end, but it has to end or it will end us.

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The Supreme Court is in big trouble. Every decision Thomas has made is now tainted. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Mar 2022 OP
1. Thomas will never resign. no_hypocrisy Mar 2022 #1
I don't see how the court can function with Thomas moving forward. fightforfreedom Mar 2022 #4
He'll just ignore it Bettie Mar 2022 #9
yup, this will be ignored Amishman Mar 2022 #44
one of my favorite cartoonists... Javaman Mar 2022 #83
Yep, that's the one! Bettie Mar 2022 #84
If there's one thing Thomas has shown he is good at Mr.Bill Mar 2022 #111
What is Roberts supposed to do? onenote Mar 2022 #12
There you go, being realistic. we can do it Mar 2022 #107
I know. I'm a flawed individual. onenote Mar 2022 #109
It will function as it normally does Effete Snob Mar 2022 #31
The disagreement I have with your reasoning is that it seems Carlitos Brigante Mar 2022 #51
Is Thomas Blockading the doors or something? fescuerescue Mar 2022 #71
I take Rebl2 Mar 2022 #78
Republicans will rally round Thomas wnylib Mar 2022 #122
Same way they have functioned to this point quakerboy Mar 2022 #126
Yep. OldBaldy1701E Mar 2022 #18
Better do some big flipping, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #28
He may not get the chance. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #76
Thomas was released from True Blue American Mar 2022 #94
Yeah. Hopefully Hospice awaits. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #99
Yup. ismnotwasm Mar 2022 #120
He is a evangelist GQP . . .. Lovie777 Mar 2022 #2
My great aunt just laid something new on me. She said Samrob Mar 2022 #70
No, he will never resign! Nt USALiberal Mar 2022 #3
From your typewriter to God's eyeballs... 3Hotdogs Mar 2022 #5
What's a "typewriter"? SilasSouleII Mar 2022 #118
Did I miss some important news on Thomas and why the Supreme Court is in BIG Trouble? msfiddlestix Mar 2022 #6
??? Joinfortmill Mar 2022 #21
His wife is still crazy Effete Snob Mar 2022 #35
You believe there's some sort of force shield of separation between the two? msfiddlestix Mar 2022 #48
You apply this to every married couple? Effete Snob Mar 2022 #55
This. nt BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #62
This is not a case of the wife being the chattel, she has had him by the nose for decades msfiddlestix Mar 2022 #68
"she has had him by the nose for decades" Effete Snob Mar 2022 #75
oh please msfiddlestix Mar 2022 #80
Oh ok inthewind21 Mar 2022 #91
I'm not okay with anyone engaging in insurrection Effete Snob Mar 2022 #97
So it was okay for him to rule on a matter she was involved in? Kingofalldems Mar 2022 #115
I would not say nose, but!:) True Blue American Mar 2022 #96
You know she's had him "by the nose" for decades, how? BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #93
You want to know what's fascinating? Effete Snob Mar 2022 #100
I think you're spot on. nt BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #102
Probably, True Blue American Mar 2022 #105
Shades of Nancy Reagan leading... keithhs28 Mar 2022 #124
If you think it's hard to impeach Thomas. Try impeaching his wife. fescuerescue Mar 2022 #73
You forgot the Sarcasm things n/t aggiesal Mar 2022 #87
1/6 committee has text messages between Ginni Thomas.... Duppers Mar 2022 #38
thanks.. after posting I clicked on Home Page and WOW. msfiddlestix Mar 2022 #41
Exactly. And you're welcome. Duppers Mar 2022 #42
Why would he resign? gab13by13 Mar 2022 #7
Read the news. He did involve himself in a wifely matter Achilleaze Mar 2022 #10
She sent an email to Mark Meadows and gave him some kind of award, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #14
Being married to someone who commits a crime is not a crime FBaggins Mar 2022 #29
It is if you think husbands own their wives like chattel Effete Snob Mar 2022 #36
.... msfiddlestix Mar 2022 #43
It's true, though Effete Snob Mar 2022 #50
The Clarence Thomas defense: My wife and I never talk to each other. fightforfreedom Mar 2022 #47
He doesn't need a "defense" FBaggins Mar 2022 #54
"anything his spouse does is his action too" Effete Snob Mar 2022 #56
Common sense has died in America. fightforfreedom Mar 2022 #57
I know, right? Effete Snob Mar 2022 #61
Ferraro was a business partner of her husband owning 50% of the company and serving as secretary and PoliticAverse Mar 2022 #116
What about his vote to oppose wnylib Mar 2022 #123
Nope FBaggins Mar 2022 #130
Thank you. elleng Mar 2022 #128
Not that the numbers matter, but I believe therevwere 19 emails. niyad Mar 2022 #74
text messages /nt Effete Snob Mar 2022 #77
yes, thank you. niyad Mar 2022 #82
Boofer (R) is also grossly unqualified and tainted with lies Achilleaze Mar 2022 #8
What's even scarier is that tens of millions of Americans co-opt this madness Mr. Ected Mar 2022 #11
And the press normalized this insanity Generic Brad Mar 2022 #39
We can demand that he recuse as much as we want DetroitLegalBeagle Mar 2022 #13
Democracy is in big trouble. The Supreme Court is untouchable. yardwork Mar 2022 #15
Yeah, this Ginni Thomas thing is window dressing, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #16
Seems that way. Our democracy is dying, state by state. yardwork Mar 2022 #20
WOW !!! wtf USSC?! I tried to google this ... I'm so ... just damn uponit7771 Mar 2022 #37
Me too, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #45
Brace yourself. Republicans in NY plan wnylib Mar 2022 #125
How DU was born, lest we forget JCMach1 Mar 2022 #22
I never forget. yardwork Mar 2022 #23
Totally agree. Joinfortmill Mar 2022 #24
This should be an OP malaise Mar 2022 #26
Thank you. yardwork Mar 2022 #27
+1, how did Roberts ... NOT KNOW ... about Thomas's conflict of interest ?! uponit7771 Mar 2022 #34
Right? If I know, one would think the Chief Justice would know. yardwork Mar 2022 #58
Yes, and? Effete Snob Mar 2022 #79
Unfortunate that you are correct. The USSC awarded the 2000 election to GWB when Gore won. PufPuf23 Mar 2022 #40
+1 leftstreet Mar 2022 #108
Spot on. It's fascism, which is a form of insanity. Joinfortmill Mar 2022 #17
You think the right cares if the SCOTUS is tainted ? SoonerPride Mar 2022 #19
Ginni Thomas is a member of the Council for National Policy, an anti-democracy organization. Lonestarblue Mar 2022 #25
Thomas Isn't In Good Health OhioTim Mar 2022 #30
Or, so we're told. Wednesdays Mar 2022 #104
There is no way to force Thomas to do anything...sadly. Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #32
Thomas will not stay on the court. "Health " reasons ashredux Mar 2022 #33
He has a secondary infection from Covid Farmer-Rick Mar 2022 #52
Do you have a link for that? BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #63
Sure Farmer-Rick Mar 2022 #65
Here. BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #103
Thanks Farmer-Rick Mar 2022 #106
Short of impeachment, there's really no recourse COL Mustard Mar 2022 #46
Interesting how Thomas "got sick" & disappeared right before this came out. CaptainTruth Mar 2022 #49
So now that its blowing up, he's out of the hospital onenote Mar 2022 #112
"tainted" To you and to me, but Ferrets are Cool Mar 2022 #53
One of Ginni's emails to Meadows stated she had just discussed the matter with her "best friend." sop Mar 2022 #59
What we have seen time and again though, is a horrible and odious double PatrickforB Mar 2022 #60
+1000 This! FakeNoose Mar 2022 #72
It was the Dems inthewind21 Mar 2022 #98
Thomas will only leave the Court when he dies. RedSpartan Mar 2022 #64
He'll step down with the next republican senate/president FBaggins Mar 2022 #86
No chance. RedSpartan Mar 2022 #89
You have it backwards FBaggins Mar 2022 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #66
They were landscaping for four seasons that's for sure bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #67
What is different now? Thomas has been on the SC for 30 years fescuerescue Mar 2022 #69
You'd have an argument if it had been Justice Thomas who sent the texts Kaleva Mar 2022 #81
Well... Effete Snob Mar 2022 #85
Indeed! BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #95
The key issue will turn on just how much influence Ginni had on Meadows and the Inner clique. Ford_Prefect Mar 2022 #88
His decisions were tainted from the beginning. GoCubsGo Mar 2022 #90
I don't think it works that way. SCOTUS doesn't have to hear anything it doesn't want to. SYFROYH Mar 2022 #101
The Republicans did this YoshidaYui Mar 2022 #110
He never was qualified in the first place ailsagirl Mar 2022 #113
Sad to say, one thing our fore fathers could NOT forsee is bluestarone Mar 2022 #114
Well said! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2022 #117
"Thomas must resign" - no, he really mustn't. He'd have to be impeached. NullTuples Mar 2022 #119
Aren't Supreme Court emails a matter of public record? FakeNoose Mar 2022 #121
No FBaggins Mar 2022 #133
'I am not a lawyer' elleng Mar 2022 #127
I don't see how Thomas can rule in future cases involving Trump! Emile Mar 2022 #129
What do you imagine Roberts can do? FBaggins Mar 2022 #131
Republicans have pissed on integrity, honor, and justice Achilleaze Mar 2022 #132

Bettie

(16,069 posts)
9. He'll just ignore it
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 07:41 AM
Mar 2022

he's that cartoon of the dog sitting in a burning building saying "this is fine".

He doesn't care because he has money and power and with the bunch of ultra-extremists on his end of the court, he looks "moderate" and "reasonable" only by comparison.

Amishman

(5,554 posts)
44. yup, this will be ignored
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:53 AM
Mar 2022

we're too divided nationally to force anything like this.

1/3rd will support his removal, 1/3rd will oppose it just because he votes how they want, and 1/3rd just doesn't care. Hard to get anything done that way.

Carlitos Brigante

(26,494 posts)
51. The disagreement I have with your reasoning is that it seems
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:00 AM
Mar 2022

you're thinking like a normal, ethical person. There are no morals, ethics or decency on that side. At least, since I've been alive.

Rebl2

(13,460 posts)
78. I take
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:18 AM
Mar 2022

it Robert’s can’t tell Thomas he has to recuse himself on everything related to January 6 that come before the Supreme Court?

wnylib

(21,334 posts)
122. Republicans will rally round Thomas
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:54 PM
Mar 2022

and create crazy fantasies about how normal all of this is.

They will pressure him not to resign because it would mean another Biden appointment to the court. They will push for Thomas to hold out at least until the midterms in the hope of having a Senate majority to block any Biden appointee.

quakerboy

(13,916 posts)
126. Same way they have functioned to this point
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 12:23 AM
Mar 2022

Thomas was never not tainted, from day one. the same applies to Slimey K. And likely to Barrett.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,088 posts)
18. Yep.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:12 AM
Mar 2022

Time to flip the Senate. Not to mention getting a majority in the House. Then, we can impeach. (No, it's not a simple solution, but it IS a solution.)

Lovie777

(12,218 posts)
2. He is a evangelist GQP . . ..
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 07:27 AM
Mar 2022

Their GAWD is most powerful and righteous.

And in the USA Supreme Court there are 5 more GQP.

I can imagine like trolls that the GQP are all 50 voting against Judge Jackson, with fears of two Ds.

Democracy be damn.

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
70. My great aunt just laid something new on me. She said
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:54 AM
Mar 2022

"They should shoot the Thomases with shit and lock them both up for stinking,"

msfiddlestix

(7,270 posts)
6. Did I miss some important news on Thomas and why the Supreme Court is in BIG Trouble?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 07:38 AM
Mar 2022

I've been occupied with personal life matters, and appear to be behind some very important news here! I read he was out sick, I think hospitalized if I recall accurately, but at the moment don't see the connection..

guess I'll have a look around du and see if something about Thomas made headlines, other than being absent cuz hospitalized with illness.



 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
35. His wife is still crazy
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:38 AM
Mar 2022

People still hold this weird notion that anyone in office is responsible for everything their spouse does.

His wife is a nutjob who communicated Qanon stuff with Mark Meadows and others during the January 6 insurrection. Thomas, in turn, opposed the release of Meadows’ communications from that day.

People believe this requires that Clarence Thomas must be punished in some way, or that there is some kind of rule requiring him to leave the court.

msfiddlestix

(7,270 posts)
48. You believe there's some sort of force shield of separation between the two?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:58 AM
Mar 2022

they live in separate worlds? Homes? Business contacts? Never appears with her during a private campaign event?

just to name a few potential opportunities where two very closely linked individuals in direct proximity to seat of powers engaged in nefarious activities. You think not likely?


 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
55. You apply this to every married couple?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:03 AM
Mar 2022

Nancy Pelosi's husband is one heck of a stock picker. I'm sure his position in American Express doesn't affect her position on banking legislation one bit, right? Is that what we're supposed to believe?

If, as a society, we want to return to the days of "wife as chattel", just let me know what the rules are going to be for people in all kinds of professions.

Because I want to make sure that every married woman lawyer is disqualified from taking any case which might conflict with one of her husband's clients.

It's going to be a difficult adjustment to go back to the 50's for some.

msfiddlestix

(7,270 posts)
68. This is not a case of the wife being the chattel, she has had him by the nose for decades
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:53 AM
Mar 2022

it's the other way around.. quite obviously.

rarely, prior to Scalia's death, did he ever engage on matters before the court during sessions, that I've ever listened in on. I've always suspected he didn't write his own opinions which have been directly attributed to him and signed off by him. I've never had the impression his thoughts were ever his own.

Not saying he directly committed "criminal offenses" . However, she hasn't been exactly secretive in her bizarre wacky far right wing campaigns. They are partners in these campaigns, at best he has played the role of an enabler.

Not going to engage here in writing on my thoughts of Pelosi and Feinstein's spouses investments and enterprsises other than to say I see it in the same light. The reference to chattel in both instances is absolutely and clearly not at all even close to appropriate analogy.

Women in positions of Power does not chattel make, and their spousal relationships would be best described as Equal Partners.







 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
91. Oh ok
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:34 AM
Mar 2022

So you're perfectly ok with a Supreme Justice having a spouse actively engaging in insurrection. Got it. The FBI would disqualify an applicant for their spouses past/present. But the SC, just ducky. And people wonder why Me Too fizzled out. Black and White with zero ability to see any gray.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
97. I'm not okay with anyone engaging in insurrection
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:39 AM
Mar 2022

I am also not okay with holding people responsible for the behavior of their spouses.

I am not fond of either of the Thomases.

However, I have a sneaking suspicion that someone has found some political activity by Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson's husband, and they are going to be rolling it out soon, as if it mattered.

I have every confidence that unlike, say, the Kellyanne Conway household, were George is held up as an oracle here on DU with some regularity, the Thomases probably share a lot of opinions and beliefs.

That's not really unusual for a married couple. Or, it could be that he knows she's a little loonier than he is, but, what does one do to restrain one's spouse nowadays.

But I guess you have nothing to say about the crypto-sexist issue here and you want to make a personal accusation about what some pseudonymous poster on an internet forum is "ok with".

If that's what you need to feel superior and good, then I'm happy to provide that as a service.
 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
93. You know she's had him "by the nose" for decades, how?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:36 AM
Mar 2022

You have some inside info on their marriage?

How about the other justices? do their spouses have them by the nose also, or is it just Thomas for some reason?

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
100. You want to know what's fascinating?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:42 AM
Mar 2022

I used the "spouse as chattel" notion, which elicited that.

The word "chattel" is the same word that became our "cattle" - to refer to one's property - and the nose ring is precisely a traditional way of providing a means to attach the rope to one's cattle.

I believe the poster expressed him or herself with precision, and I am not at all confused by the meaning.

msfiddlestix

(7,270 posts)
41. thanks.. after posting I clicked on Home Page and WOW.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:47 AM
Mar 2022

Yep I missed a lot yesterday, Thanks for the links...

sort of makes the reason for Clarence's absence a little bit like bs. he's more likely engaged in bleaching home computers and Ginny's devices, long conversations with criminal lawyers. perhaps.



gab13by13

(21,255 posts)
7. Why would he resign?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 07:39 AM
Mar 2022

He didn't break any laws that I am aware of. He didn't recuse himself in a decision that involved his wife. Clarence isn't much different than 5 other SC justices, as a matter of fact I believe that justice Alito may be the worst justice on the court.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
10. Read the news. He did involve himself in a wifely matter
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 07:42 AM
Mar 2022

The matter of treason.

The news of this ethical betrayal is all over DU. Read one of the articles.

Shocking.

gab13by13

(21,255 posts)
14. She sent an email to Mark Meadows and gave him some kind of award,
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:02 AM
Mar 2022

Meadows must not have done anything wrong, like committing treason since DOJ won't even prosecute him for defying a subpoena, let alone committing treason.

Day 100 since the select committee sent the Mark Meadows criminal referral to DOJ.
Day 72 since the Michigan AG sent the fake elector criminal referral to DOJ.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
29. Being married to someone who commits a crime is not a crime
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:31 AM
Mar 2022

Being married to someone who once exchanged texts with someone who allegedly committed a crime but who has not been charged (let alone convicted) of that crime... is also not a crime.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
36. It is if you think husbands own their wives like chattel
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:39 AM
Mar 2022

I think some of the demographic here believes that women still need their husband’s permission to buy a car or get a credit card.
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
50. It's true, though
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:00 AM
Mar 2022

The implied "offense" of Justice Thomas is failing to control his wife's behavior, thus making him responsible for it.

That he sided with a crazy Trump argument in a case is not a huge surprise, and certainly not the first time. That's simply his job.
 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
47. The Clarence Thomas defense: My wife and I never talk to each other.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:58 AM
Mar 2022

Therefore I am innocent. I did not know my wife was attempting to help overthrow the government.

Have we all gone mad?

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
54. He doesn't need a "defense"
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:03 AM
Mar 2022

There is no legal principle that says that we get to assume that anything his spouse does is his action too. We would have never accepted such nonsense if applied to one of the women on the court.

And, of course, she hasn't been charged (let alone convicted) of anything at all. The "inference on inference" chain here is so long as to be nonsensical.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
56. "anything his spouse does is his action too"
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:07 AM
Mar 2022

I, and many others on DU, grew up in an America where that was true, though.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
61. I know, right?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:24 AM
Mar 2022

They let women become lawyers, and then some of them don't even work for the same firm as their husbands, and they take cases which conflict with some of their husband's client's interests.

Car dealerships sell them cars without even checking with their husbands first.

We need to get back to common sense America, where women made sure that their actions and words were in keeping with whatever their husband's job might be.

Back when we had common sense, we made sure that Geraldine Ferraro was held to account for her husband's business dealings. But, today, we let Paul Pelosi buy whatever stocks he wants.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
116. Ferraro was a business partner of her husband owning 50% of the company and serving as secretary and
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 06:47 PM
Mar 2022

treasurer.

wnylib

(21,334 posts)
123. What about his vote to oppose
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:06 PM
Mar 2022

release of the Meadows texts?

Also not a crime, but it does suggest collusion to cover up the actions of an insurrection supporter and promoter.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
130. Nope
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 12:22 PM
Mar 2022

Not only could it not be spun that way (because the vote was not really whether or not to release the texts - it was whether or not to stay such release until the lower court had ruled on an appeal). But, more importantly, it can't be spun as "collusion to cover up" since he had to know when casting the vote that it could have no such effect.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
8. Boofer (R) is also grossly unqualified and tainted with lies
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 07:40 AM
Mar 2022

His votes are corrupted. Sad how foul the G.O.P. is. Truly sick and sad.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
11. What's even scarier is that tens of millions of Americans co-opt this madness
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 07:53 AM
Mar 2022

Otherwise sensible and discerning people have somehow been brainwashed to believe this pantload of gibberish.

Even after we flush these turds, their aroma will linger in our atmosphere for a long, long time.

Generic Brad

(14,272 posts)
39. And the press normalized this insanity
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:42 AM
Mar 2022

Everyone is acting like this is shocking news. I’m more shocked that most of the media were aware of this crap in real time and downplayed it. On DU we were aware she was I major player in arranging funding and transportation for a lot of insurgents. This isn’t news. This is common knowledge that the press made believe wasn’t happening.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,914 posts)
13. We can demand that he recuse as much as we want
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 07:54 AM
Mar 2022

He will just ignore it and there is no legal way to compel him to do so. The decisions, tainted or not, are legal precedent and will continue to stand. SCOTUS can move forward by just ignoring it. They have lifetime appointments and the votes aren't there for impeachment.

yardwork

(61,538 posts)
15. Democracy is in big trouble. The Supreme Court is untouchable.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:05 AM
Mar 2022

The Supreme Court participated in a coup by handing the presidency to George W. Bush in 2000. He did not win. The Supreme Court halted a recount in Florida that was clearly going to show that Al Gore won that state, thereby winning the electoral college. Gore uncontestedly won the popular vote. It was the first time since 1888 that a presidential candidate won the popular vote but somehow "lost" the election.

This was a coup. It happened. Americans don't want to admit it. The Supreme Court did that - with Clarence Thomas's full support, since George W. Bush's daddy put him on the Court.

What followed was a twenty-year war that made the Bushes, Cheneys, and a bunch of their allies multi-billionaires.

Thomas's wife's crazy texts to Trump's chief of staff are a footnote, at best, to the coup that already happened 22 years ago.

gab13by13

(21,255 posts)
16. Yeah, this Ginni Thomas thing is window dressing,
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:10 AM
Mar 2022

meanwhile the real overthrow of our democracy gets little ink.

The SC just overruled the Wisconsin SC that created another voting district for blacks. So much for allowing states to run their own elections.

The maps the state court adopted increased the number of majority Black districts from six to seven in Milwaukee. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled the state justices had not done enough analysis to determine whether the Voting Rights Act required the creation of the seventh district.

yardwork

(61,538 posts)
20. Seems that way. Our democracy is dying, state by state.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:13 AM
Mar 2022

The hysteria over Trump's loss in 2020 is another cynical move by Republicans to deflect attention from the crimes they committed.

Meanwhile, our democracy is shredded, piece by piece.

gab13by13

(21,255 posts)
45. Me too,
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:53 AM
Mar 2022

I keep saying that it's hard to win a rigged election by GOTV, but it's all we have. DOJ has done very little to help keep elections fair.

yardwork

(61,538 posts)
23. I never forget.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:15 AM
Mar 2022

As bad as Trump is, he's just a symptom of the disaster inflicted on the United States.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
79. Yes, and?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:19 AM
Mar 2022

What, in your mind, was Roberts supposed to do about that?

You think it is up to Roberts whether another justice recuses themselves from a case?

Has anyone here ever heard of Antonin Scalia?

PufPuf23

(8,754 posts)
40. Unfortunate that you are correct. The USSC awarded the 2000 election to GWB when Gore won.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:43 AM
Mar 2022

We are in a mess that I do not see a way out. alas.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
19. You think the right cares if the SCOTUS is tainted ?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:12 AM
Mar 2022

All they care about is power and power to dictate how you live your life.

Whether you or I or the press think it’s legitimate or not they couldn’t care less.

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
25. Ginni Thomas is a member of the Council for National Policy, an anti-democracy organization.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:20 AM
Mar 2022

The NYT recently published an exposé about her. Unlike most of their articles and opinion pieces, it disappeared from the front page within less than a day. I’m linking here to an article about the Times piece, which is behind a paywall.

https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2022/02/nyt-drops-the-hammer-on-ginni-thomas-with-scathing-report-on-her-political-activism/

“The political activism of a Supreme Court spouse is the focus of a New York Times exposé titled “The Long Crusade of Clarence and Ginni Thomas.”

The newspaper noted her work for the Council for National Policy, which it said “brings together old-school Republican luminaries, Christian conservatives, Tea Party activists and MAGA operatives, with more than 400 members who include leaders of organizations like the Federalist Society, the National Rifle Association and the Family Research Council.”

These people have worked to establish a totalitarian government based on their Christian theology, which is that rich white people are the ones chosen by God to rule the world. They do not believe in rights for then”lesser people” of the country, and they are the most destructive force working to overturn our system of democratic government we have ever seen. They’re rich and powerful, and they control much of the media and most of the Supreme Court now. Unfortunately, the general public knows nothing about them because the media rarely writes about their pernicious influence on politics and the people they get into public office. Some Democrats know about then, as most of us here do, but the average Republican voter is completely in the dark about how these people are working to replace the Constitution with their theocratic version. They are dangerously close to winning their war against democrcy.

Farmer-Rick

(10,135 posts)
52. He has a secondary infection from Covid
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:01 AM
Mar 2022

And is hospitalized. At his age he probably won't survive. Secondary infections from COVID are very dangerous.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
63. Do you have a link for that?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:26 AM
Mar 2022

He was vaxxed and boosted.

I've not seen any news about a secondary Covid infection.

Farmer-Rick

(10,135 posts)
65. Sure
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:40 AM
Mar 2022

"This study confirms that the incidence of secondary bacterial infections is very high in critically ill COVID-19 patients. These patients are at highest risk of developing secondary pneumonia. Male gender, a history of diabetes mellitus and the administration of corticosteroids were associated with increased of secondary bacterial infection."

https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-022-07192-x

"Secondary bacterial infection in COVID-19 patients is a stronger predictor for death compared to influenza patients"

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-92220-0

There are a lot of studies on it but these will help you.

But I can not prove that is what Clarance has but..... it's so obvious.

So, I was trying to find out if he had diabetes or high blood pressure but could find nothing, not even if he got vaccinated. Do you have that link where he got the vaccines? Thanks.

Farmer-Rick

(10,135 posts)
106. Thanks
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:48 PM
Mar 2022

I saw that after this post.

It's very strange that he would get vaccinated considering his views. But hypocrisy is the GOPs favorite tool

I thought sure he wouldn't make it out of the hospital.

But fate will not make getting him out of the court easy.

COL Mustard

(5,870 posts)
46. Short of impeachment, there's really no recourse
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:57 AM
Mar 2022

He can serve for as long as he wants to and there's really nothing anyone can do about it. Sorry to say that, but that's how it is.

CaptainTruth

(6,573 posts)
49. Interesting how Thomas "got sick" & disappeared right before this came out.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:58 AM
Mar 2022

It's almost like someone contacted him for comment before publishing an article & it made him nervous.

sop

(10,098 posts)
59. One of Ginni's emails to Meadows stated she had just discussed the matter with her "best friend."
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:17 AM
Mar 2022

Clarence publicly refers to his wife as "my best friend." Anyone want to guess who Ginni's "best friend" is?

"When Meadows wrote Thomas on Nov. 24 to 'not grow weary' in this 'fight of good versus evil,' and said he has 'staked my career' on overturning Biden's win, Thomas replied: 'Thank you!! Needed that! This plus a conversation with my best friend just now.' She did not say who that 'best friend' was, but Clarence Thomas has repeatedly referred to his wife as his 'best friend.'"

https://theweek.com/jan-6-committee/1011754/ginni-thomas-texted-mark-meadows-she-discussed-post-election-fight-with

PatrickforB

(14,558 posts)
60. What we have seen time and again though, is a horrible and odious double
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:23 AM
Mar 2022

standard. If one of our people is even suspected of wrongdoing, the Republicans will quietly undermine them and they will get ridden out on a rail. Like with Al Franken, who most decidedly did NOT get anything like due process.

But the Republicans? They just say F you and move on. Trump taught them utter shamelessness. It really is appalling, and yes, we need to do something. I think many don't realize how far gone the GOP actually is, how treasonous. I believe Biden is coming to see it now, but at first believed that he could come in and govern seriously with these people. But no.

There is a lot of stuff going on, though, that is decent. Stacey Abrams is doing great work. Sanders, Warren, Sheldon Whitehouse, Merkel, the Squad. They are all speaking truth to power - moving that Overton window. Sanders did that with Medicare for all. Now we're all talking about it, and Americans overwhelmingly support it. The only thing holding us back is the fear of losing shareholder profits and the corruption of many in Congress.

The other thing that I'm wondering if will make a big difference for us is the war on women, which has decidedly heated up. If the Supreme court overturns Roe or Griswold, the GOP will be smashed in the midterms because most women I know will crawl over broken glass to vote anyone who is anti-choice, anti-birth control right out the door.

The only thing I worry about is us. For example, my state rep is a real holy roller. She votes how she is told and doesn't listen to anyone or anything. Far right wing Q kind of person. Well, I showed up at the Democratic 'meet and greet' and met the person who would be running against this loony tune. I donated to her, and got a yard sign. You know what it said?

Make politics boring again.

Seriously. Make politics boring again. She could not think of anything better than that. She lost substantially. Our people at every level need to be talking about healthcare, women's rights, and legalizing marijuana. They will win if they do.

We seem not to want to play hardball, though.

Say, did you see John Dean is putting public pressure on old Alvin Bragg to reopen the case against Trumpy. After Mark Pomerantz published his resignation letter in the New York Times, and said Trump DID commit crimes, Bragg mysteriously closed the case. Reminds me - I'm calling my Senators and Rep to do whatever they can to pressure the cretin Bragg to reopen. He needs to be subjected to massive blowback.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
98. It was the Dems
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:40 AM
Mar 2022

Who forced Franken out. See Kiersten Gillibrand. And it wasn't Trump who taught them. They have been looking the other way for a loooooooong time. See Newt Gingrich, Lead the impeachment against Clinton while having an affair with his staffer, now his wife.

Bob Barr (R) Georgia, first to call for he impeachment and preached morals while having his own affair.

Larry "wide stance" bathroom lurker Craig, arrested in MN Airport for soliciting sex with men.

Donald Lukens (R) Ohio - Having sex with a 16 year old.

Ed Schrock (R) Virginia, strong supporter of anti gay legislation, caught on tape soliciting sex with men.

Mark Foley (R) Florida - caught sending sexual texts to teenage pages.

David Vitter (R) Louisiana Took over a seat for a R that stepped down for getting caught in affairs, had his own affairs and appeared in "the little black book" of the DC Madam.

Mark Sanford ( R) S. Carolina, "I'm hiking the Applacian Trail Governor."

Dennis Hastert(R) Illinois. Plead guilty for structuring bank withdrawals to conceal mis-conduct and at trial confessed to sexually abusing underage boys when he was a HS wrestling coach.

See also Jim Jordan, who is still a sitting representative. And there are many many more. And while a few of them get in such trouble they have to re-sign or OR go to jail, there are 4 more who keep their positions and rock right along.

RedSpartan

(1,693 posts)
64. Thomas will only leave the Court when he dies.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:33 AM
Mar 2022

And even then, his partisan stench will linger for generations.

Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

bucolic_frolic

(43,044 posts)
67. They were landscaping for four seasons that's for sure
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:48 AM
Mar 2022

wall-to-wall conservatism delivered in plain sight and no one could figure it out until they overplayed their hands.

So was Clarence making the decisions on how he ruled on SCOTUS cases, or was he an agent of influence through his wife from conservative Federalism?

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
85. Well...
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:55 AM
Mar 2022

…I guess someone should be asking Judge Jackson whether she adequately controls her husband, and that we need to look into his activities in order to consider whether she is qualified.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
95. Indeed!
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:39 AM
Mar 2022

This opens up a whole new line of questioning for the committee in the future, doesn't it?

"Would you say you are in control of your spouse? Who "wears the pants" in your family?"

Good lord, the mind boggles.

Ford_Prefect

(7,870 posts)
88. The key issue will turn on just how much influence Ginni had on Meadows and the Inner clique.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:22 AM
Mar 2022

She is much more than Thomas's wife. She is a significant and guiding member of the Council for National Policy. CNP are to policy and legislation what the Federalist Society is to extreme conservative judicial action. Both outfits provide guidance, model legislation and financing for the recent series of State laws passed attacking women's health, education and Voting rights.

It looks as though the Jan 6th committee will have much to consider. Legal questions that follow from their deliberations may present a very different understanding of the links between CFP and the insurrection, something the committee has already had evidence of.

Whether this will apply to Justice Thomas directly is far from clear. Given the current makeup of SCOTUS and the Senate I doubt much will happen. If evidence surfaces of Mrs. Thomas having participated materially in the insurrection or events related to denying the election results I think it will be a very dark day in the Thomas home.

GoCubsGo

(32,074 posts)
90. His decisions were tainted from the beginning.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:31 AM
Mar 2022

Just as his appointment was tainted. He's a sexual predator, and never should have been allowed to be seated in the first place. This shit with his wife is just another episode in a long string of corruption.

bluestarone

(16,858 posts)
114. Sad to say, one thing our fore fathers could NOT forsee is
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 06:27 PM
Mar 2022

QANONS in politics! WE have got to figure out our own way to deal with them! VOTE like never before!

Rhiannon12866

(204,714 posts)
117. Well said!
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 07:47 PM
Mar 2022

We will never be done with the chaos and lawbreaking that TFG precipitated in 4 long years, he unleashed the monsters...

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
119. "Thomas must resign" - no, he really mustn't. He'd have to be impeached.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:42 PM
Mar 2022

And we couldn't even remove Trump for his blatant overt crimes; his impeachments were acquitted.

There's zero chance McConnell would allow the court he & the Federalist Society built be dismantled.

FakeNoose

(32,577 posts)
121. Aren't Supreme Court emails a matter of public record?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:05 PM
Mar 2022

They should be subject to public scrutiny, at least emails that were written on the .gov account.

I should think Clarence Thomas' emails and texts might be subject to FOIA (Freedom Of Information Act) requests, just like the President's, or Hillary Clinton's. Our US media journalists are probably on this right now!

Snark off for the moment, I'm certain that investigative reporter Jane Mayer of the New Yorker has been following this story. Not sure if anyone else is though.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
133. No
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 12:55 PM
Mar 2022

FOIA applies primarily to the federal executive branch. The legislative and judicial branches are not covered... nor are state and local governments (though states very often have their own versions of FOIA).

Not that the texts of a spouse would be covered in any event.

Emile

(22,479 posts)
129. I don't see how Thomas can rule in future cases involving Trump!
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 09:15 AM
Mar 2022

I hope Roberts will do the right thing!

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
131. What do you imagine Roberts can do?
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 12:23 PM
Mar 2022

He has no authority to determine whether or not there is a conflict of interest - not power to enforce an action predicated on that determination.

The limit of his authority is that - if they are both on the same side on a given decision - he can decide whether or not Thomas gets to write the decision/dissent.

If they're on different sides... Thomas gets to decide who writes it. He is effectively the chief justice whenever Roberts disagrees with him on a ruling.

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