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CTyankee

(63,891 posts)
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 06:10 PM Jan 2012

Another fabulous Friday Afternoon Challenge: Art “Happens!”

Art happens in unexpected or new locales when artists take a fresh look at places where it can be created and/or exhibited. Can you identify these places/events?

...and, dear gentlefolks, please do not cheat and “guess”...
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Another fabulous Friday Afternoon Challenge: Art “Happens!” (Original Post) CTyankee Jan 2012 OP
#3 is on Broadway jberryhill Jan 2012 #1
LOL tabatha Jan 2012 #2
I know it DOES look like that, but it is not there... CTyankee Jan 2012 #3
Brilliant! CTyankee Jan 2012 #4
First one of these I ever got right! jberryhill Jan 2012 #5
A doff of my hat, of course! CTyankee Jan 2012 #8
You mean there is hope for me malaise Jan 2012 #51
No pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #52
Probably titled, "So, Should I Turn Left...Or Not?" pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #15
Heh... CTyankee Jan 2012 #28
#5 Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #6
Who? CTyankee Jan 2012 #9
Jeff Koons Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #12
good for you, Tansy! Wow, I'm impressed. I didn't thinkthat many people would know Koons. CTyankee Jan 2012 #18
LOL -- I just said I don't know who or what he is!!! Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #19
do you see what Koons was trying to do? CTyankee Jan 2012 #24
Well, whether it SHOULD or not is one question Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #36
Art always makes you look... CTyankee Jan 2012 #38
The arc of blood Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #42
Whatever, she did what Caravaggio didn't do! She "got" it! CTyankee Jan 2012 #46
Oh, yes, I know her biography Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #55
Wow the painting of Judith Aerows Jan 2012 #47
It's wonderful, isn't it? Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #54
I definitely think art CAN aim to be political Aerows Jan 2012 #37
But I also believe that art always saves you... CTyankee Jan 2012 #43
Is #6 by that guy who does that stuff like that? jberryhill Jan 2012 #7
Well, that guy, ya know...what do you expect? from HIM? CTyankee Jan 2012 #10
Did I get it right? jberryhill Jan 2012 #13
Oh, I KNOW you don't cheat! CTyankee Jan 2012 #16
For the people who like that sort of stuff gratuitous Jan 2012 #14
I hope you'll come back, tho. You might like some of the art stuff I do at other times! CTyankee Jan 2012 #48
I was commenting on the guess about the guy who does that stuff . . . gratuitous Jan 2012 #58
Got some stuff with a "twist" on tap for next Friday... CTyankee Jan 2012 #59
That guy is Christian Boltanski, and it's an exhibition at the Grand Palais, Paris frazzled Jan 2012 #25
right on the artist! but this one was at the Park Avenue Armory in NYC. CTyankee Jan 2012 #26
Ay, I can't believe they did it again frazzled Jan 2012 #29
Yes, it is very different, from what I see from the photos. Did you see this exhibit in Paris? CTyankee Jan 2012 #30
No, I know his work well frazzled Jan 2012 #34
how wonderful that you know this artist! He sounds so interesting! CTyankee Jan 2012 #39
#4 - Frank Lloyd Wright's lesser-known "Exhibitionist House" jberryhill Jan 2012 #11
somebody else beat him to it! dang! CTyankee Jan 2012 #17
I have never seen any of these! CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2012 #20
Thanks, Peggy! I went a little "far out" with this one, I guess! CTyankee Jan 2012 #22
#3 Anthony Gormley, “Event Horizon” pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #21
Hi, Pinboy, you are so great! Glad to see you here. CTyankee Jan 2012 #23
1, 2 and 4 have not been identified! Hello, folks! CTyankee Jan 2012 #27
2 Looks like Sydney Australia Aerows Jan 2012 #31
It does, but it is not there...sorry...good guess, tho... CTyankee Jan 2012 #33
I KNOW I've seen it before Aerows Jan 2012 #35
thanks for being honest and not cheating! I'm glad you found out, tho, because more people in this CTyankee Jan 2012 #40
Indeed :) Aerows Jan 2012 #45
ANd an interesting place. I want to go there and see it. Have you? CTyankee Jan 2012 #41
I haven't Aerows Jan 2012 #44
I have been to one part of that country and I feel it changed my life! CTyankee Jan 2012 #49
Major hints. Number one is a major work of art by a very famous artist... CTyankee Jan 2012 #32
No but I love your Friday thread malaise Jan 2012 #50
Hi, Malaise! Nice to see you here! No guesses? CTyankee Jan 2012 #53
I have no idea, but these are really cool! Suich Jan 2012 #56
The answers are here: CTyankee Jan 2012 #57

CTyankee

(63,891 posts)
18. good for you, Tansy! Wow, I'm impressed. I didn't thinkthat many people would know Koons.
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 06:51 PM
Jan 2012

Do you like his work?

Tansy_Gold

(17,847 posts)
19. LOL -- I just said I don't know who or what he is!!!
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 06:54 PM
Jan 2012

I have no clue if I would like his work (but probably not if this is a sample -- it's just not my style) but all I did was google "Inflated Lobster" and there it was!

CTyankee

(63,891 posts)
24. do you see what Koons was trying to do?
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 07:35 PM
Jan 2012

I find his rationale interesting, even in the face of a lot French people having heart attacks over it!

I think he was trying to tie "wretched excess" from our era to the 18th century of France's Marie Antoinette and Louis the 14th, etc.

I guess the question is: should art aim to be political?

What do you think?

Tansy_Gold

(17,847 posts)
36. Well, whether it SHOULD or not is one question
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:21 PM
Jan 2012

Whether it DOES or not is another.

And then the third question is does it succeed.

In fact, I wrote a paper on it a few years ago --

"The picture is political: Art and the power of disempowerment."

(Remember, I told you I'd taken a couple of "art appreciation" courses, though my major is sociology.)

Picasso's "Guernica" is certainly political. Virtually all of Sue Coe's is political. Kathe Kollwitz. Goya's "Third of May, 1808."







And so I wrote:

. . . The pictures shocked. The lush-shadowed Renaissance light on women’s faces, the forceful fountain of blood from the man’s throat. Strength in the female figures, determination without hesitation, without fear. Exquisite skill from the artist’s hand, unexpected. Later, the head in the basket like a ripe melon or fresh loaf of bread, the glances over the shoulders, the sword held comfortably with an eerie familiarity.

Artemisia Gentileschi painted five aspects of the biblical story of Judith, the beautiful and wealthy widow who did God’s bidding and saved her people from the tyrant Holofernes. But Artemisia’s Judith looks nothing like an obedient handmaiden; she challenges conventional notions as much today as she did in 1614. She dares assert woman as strength, woman as actor, woman as victor.



And then I closed the paper with




The picture shocks. The pun is on the Fauves, the beast in the livid color. Wolf-mother, starving even as she provides suckle to those who are gone. Hands, the tool of the human, guillotined by the inhuman. Rights – and lefts – severed.

The image comes to us as a whole. Worth far more than a thousand words, it strikes us visually and viscerally. We can turn away, but we cannot erase. If we do not turn away, we may think. We may explore. We may learn who the artist is and what she or he has meant to convey. But first we must look, and many of us choose not to.

Instead we take our art in manageable portions that do not disturb, do not shock, do not make us think that we are wrong or that they make us wrong. We look at Guernica and we do not understand. We see the pieces and parts, the dismembered and the disembodied, and we do not know that this is reality. We cannot know, we cannot allow ourselves to know. To know is to become part of the horror, the truth, the awful and terrible and hideous. They, who wield the power to have and to hold, cannot let us see the horror that they make of and for us, for then we would see the horror that they are and we might turn the power against them.

And even we who do know and do see, we are afraid, for they still wield the power. We do not yet know how to grasp Judith’s sword, but we must learn, or it will sever our hands.



CTyankee

(63,891 posts)
38. Art always makes you look...
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:29 PM
Jan 2012

I have always, always known this...

I did do a paper on Judith and Holofernes in a grad school course and I remarked on how Gentilileschi's Judith has so much more blood and gore than Caravaggio's. I cited the fact of her rape as a possible reason for her more graphic portrayal than Caravaggio's. I think it is interesting...

Tansy_Gold

(17,847 posts)
42. The arc of blood
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:44 PM
Jan 2012

You may remember, and I've lost it in my notes, but I seem to recall from another paper or something, that Gentileschi had painted one version of the beheading, then discussed the actual angle of the parabola(?) the arterial blood would spray with someone famous -- Galileo? Leonardo? I don't remember now -- and having learned that the angle was wrong in the first version, she painted another that got it right.

I know, i know, gory details.



CTyankee

(63,891 posts)
46. Whatever, she did what Caravaggio didn't do! She "got" it!
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:52 PM
Jan 2012

The "female gaze" if you will...

Did you know she was a rape victim?

Tansy_Gold

(17,847 posts)
55. Oh, yes, I know her biography
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 09:40 PM
Jan 2012

My Whitney Chadwick's "Women, Art, and Society" is on the bookshelf to my left, and I have a copy of Frederika Jacobs "Defining the Renaissance Virtuosa" around here somewhere. I discovered it and used it as a resource for one of my "Women in Art" papers, and the professor then adopted it as a text for future classes.

I'm not so sure it was a "female gaze" so much as a "female experience" Gentileschi brought to her work. Instead of painting FOR a male gaze she painted FROM a woman's experience, and that's what made her really radical.

But don't get me started, because eventually I'll get into territory I really know nothing about and then you'll know me for the intellectual fraud that I am!!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
47. Wow the painting of Judith
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:53 PM
Jan 2012

Is *EXCEPTIONALLY* powerful, and beautiful. Thanks for posting it, I'd not seen that before.

Tansy_Gold

(17,847 posts)
54. It's wonderful, isn't it?
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 09:30 PM
Jan 2012

The first thing I noticed when I saw it was the way Judith is posed with the sword. She's just used it to decapitate the man, but she has it comfortably hoisted to her shoulder. Given the way she and Abra are alert, as if anticipating discovery in their deed, she looks as if she'd have no qualms using the weapon again.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
37. I definitely think art CAN aim to be political
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:23 PM
Jan 2012

Sometimes beauty just for beauty's sake is wonderful (like elegant architecture or sculpture), but it's also very intriguing when an artist can capture the political milieu and transform it into a statement.

CTyankee

(63,891 posts)
43. But I also believe that art always saves you...
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:49 PM
Jan 2012

It can be music, painting, architecture, dance, theatre...but it always DOES...

This is why I always GO to art when I am in despair and feel without hope. I know there is co-suffering there and a certain solace that I can't get elsewhere. It happens. I can't imagine a life without it...

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
7. Is #6 by that guy who does that stuff like that?
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 06:35 PM
Jan 2012

I can't remember his name, but the people usually don't have clothes on.

CTyankee

(63,891 posts)
48. I hope you'll come back, tho. You might like some of the art stuff I do at other times!
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 09:00 PM
Jan 2012

I realize this is a bit "out there." But I often do classic stuff which I love and I know lots of other people love. Do come back! I have a pretty broad background in art and I love the old classics. It will be fun for you I think...

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
58. I was commenting on the guess about the guy who does that stuff . . .
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 09:21 PM
Jan 2012

You know, that guy? Who does that one sort of thing? If it is that guy, and it was that sort of thing, then for people who like that kind of stuff, this is the stuff they would like. Unless it's that other guy, and not that first guy at all. In which case I was probably looking at something else entirely.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
25. That guy is Christian Boltanski, and it's an exhibition at the Grand Palais, Paris
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 07:35 PM
Jan 2012

I didn't even have to cheat. I just the other day was (re) watching a film a friend of mine made of the installation. 50 tons of clothes!

CTyankee

(63,891 posts)
26. right on the artist! but this one was at the Park Avenue Armory in NYC.
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 07:38 PM
Jan 2012

There was one at the Grand Palais in Paris, tho.

Good for you! You know your art, that's for sure!

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
29. Ay, I can't believe they did it again
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 07:53 PM
Jan 2012

And of course, that roof doesn't look at all like the delicate glass dome of the Grand Palais.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
34. No, I know his work well
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:09 PM
Jan 2012

And a good friend of ours filmed the installation of the one in Paris. I just happened to be watching a video of it the other day (huge crane thing, or cherry picker, helps to pile the clothes that high). And I know Boltanski's work very well. Last year I made everyone laugh at a party (full of artists), because the hosts had put a big coatrack near the door and it collapsed, sending winter coats falling into heaps on the floor. People were shocked at first, but then I said: "Oh look, a Boltanski piece!" and everyone cracked up.





CTyankee

(63,891 posts)
39. how wonderful that you know this artist! He sounds so interesting!
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:33 PM
Jan 2012

And the meaning from this is so important. There are real people who wore these clothes. And they had real lives and gave their clothing to others...it is a stimulating thought...

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,525 posts)
20. I have never seen any of these!
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 06:55 PM
Jan 2012

They are all wonderful!

Thank you for bringing these terrific threads to us every week, my dear CTyankee!

CTyankee

(63,891 posts)
22. Thanks, Peggy! I went a little "far out" with this one, I guess!
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 07:30 PM
Jan 2012

I like to see the new stuff that is out there. It's good and keeps us alive and kicking...

CTyankee

(63,891 posts)
23. Hi, Pinboy, you are so great! Glad to see you here.
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 07:32 PM
Jan 2012

I love Gormley's works. I think they are really important and meaningful...

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
35. I KNOW I've seen it before
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:13 PM
Jan 2012

It's driving me nuts. I was going to actually guess Brasilia, Brazil, but now that you've said Europe, I'm at a loss as to where I've seen it.

EDIT: I KNEW I'd seen that before, but just couldn't remember where. I cheated, though because it was driving me bananas, so I'll refrain from posting the answer. I really like architecture, and this is a very interesting photo.

CTyankee

(63,891 posts)
40. thanks for being honest and not cheating! I'm glad you found out, tho, because more people in this
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:36 PM
Jan 2012

country should think about things that are outside of their immediate sphere!

It's a great photo, I agree! I was blown away when I first saw it a while back!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
45. Indeed :)
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:51 PM
Jan 2012

There are many wonderful things in this world to behold.

And no, it's no fair to cheat

CTyankee

(63,891 posts)
49. I have been to one part of that country and I feel it changed my life!
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 09:07 PM
Jan 2012

And I mean that...what a country...I want to go back and see the rest of it...

CTyankee

(63,891 posts)
32. Major hints. Number one is a major work of art by a very famous artist...
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:06 PM
Jan 2012

Number two is in Europe. Number 4 is on an island...

CTyankee

(63,891 posts)
57. The answers are here:
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 10:34 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002167612

I hope ya'll enjoyed this Friday's Challenge.

Another one for next Friday is already being cooked up for your delight/torment...hope you can visit it!
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