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Biden has said Garland needs to prosecute Trump and stop being a judge (Original Post) Marius25 Apr 2022 OP
Ditto, Joe, Ditto hlthe2b Apr 2022 #1
My view is that Biden should not be seen or heard as blm Apr 2022 #2
exactly. CrackityJones75 Apr 2022 #8
Biden isn't Trump/Garland isn't Barr agingdem Apr 2022 #24
A gag order won't stop Trump from doing whatever he does. Mr.Bill Apr 2022 #28
as long the media allows him to "suck the air out of a room" agingdem Apr 2022 #35
Which they will do as long as it makes them money. OldBaldy1701E Apr 2022 #97
Yes it is past time. Nov is just around the corner. oldsoftie Apr 2022 #62
Because memories are short I'm wondering agingdem Apr 2022 #68
Me too. I don't like the waiting! hope they can get the "smoking guns" needed oldsoftie Apr 2022 #79
I hear you, except that Trump is a traitor. PatrickforB Apr 2022 #40
I agree, just don't want media saying that Biden blm Apr 2022 #70
there are 1500 prominent radio stations saying biden, who's son works for china, and other BS, certainot Apr 2022 #91
Agreed. n/t TeamProg Apr 2022 #48
45 did nothing of the kind and suffered naught for it. Joe has his own mind and can articulate it. Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #77
Amen, amen, amen. soldierant Apr 2022 #83
OTOH, if his AG isn't doing his job...two of Trump's crimes have already run out the clock NullTuples Apr 2022 #90
100%. and you can say it again (and again if needed) -(nt)- stopdiggin Apr 2022 #100
Biden is the one person who can do something about that Buckeyeblue Apr 2022 #3
No he shouldn't CrackityJones75 Apr 2022 #10
Wasn't advocating for it. Just pointing out he's the one person who can change it Buckeyeblue Apr 2022 #14
I'd agree with that. CrackityJones75 Apr 2022 #15
Trump would a great defense attorney Buckeyeblue Apr 2022 #22
The facts of their case will hold up simply because they're facts. jaxexpat Apr 2022 #53
Well said. Buckeyeblue Apr 2022 #64
We're programmed to "stay tuned". jaxexpat Apr 2022 #66
"You know how that will be spun." LudwigPastorius Apr 2022 #21
It isn't just about it being portrayed. CrackityJones75 Apr 2022 #44
It signals that he is not doing his job. It is obvious to everyone helpisontheway Apr 2022 #37
Biden has said he will allow DOJ to do its job. How does he get out of that box? bucolic_frolic Apr 2022 #4
He doesn't get out of that box. CrackityJones75 Apr 2022 #11
Enforcing Congressional subpoenas is not corruption. Failure to do so is. /nt bucolic_frolic Apr 2022 #31
The PERFECT way to respond....... MyOwnPeace Apr 2022 #46
Exactly, you've run with my point bucolic_frolic Apr 2022 #96
My gods, yes. I found myself thinking about Atty General Bobby Kennedy & the Mafia... Hekate Apr 2022 #5
If that is what he believes, he needs to fire him asap MichMan Apr 2022 #6
+1 Celerity Apr 2022 #17
a strategic leak from WH to NYT. Grasswire2 Apr 2022 #7
Why did he choose Garland in the first place? jalan48 Apr 2022 #9
My guess is out of pity after he was blocked from the SCOTUS Marius25 Apr 2022 #12
Given what transpired on January 6th I'd say Garland's experiences should not have been in play. jalan48 Apr 2022 #13
I really would hate to think that were true. FoxNewsSucks Apr 2022 #58
Believe it Deminpenn Apr 2022 #93
I'm a bit puzzled with Garland. After years of corruptions, shouldn't he be light-speed agressive? AlexSFCA Apr 2022 #16
That was really the only disappointing thing about her taking VP FoxNewsSucks Apr 2022 #59
I would think that the local slip and fall shyster lawyer Chainfire Apr 2022 #18
ponderous Celerity Apr 2022 #19
Can Biden ask him to resign? liberalmuse Apr 2022 #20
Sure, but he doesn't even have to ask Polybius Apr 2022 #57
Where is that quote coming from? former9thward Apr 2022 #23
it's a second party stopdiggin Apr 2022 #101
Paging Doug Jones WA-03 Democrat Apr 2022 #25
C'mon Merrick, be a hero Blue Owl Apr 2022 #26
Biden said that last year left-of-center2012 Apr 2022 #27
We know better than to trust the NY Times about someone said someone said, right? L. Coyote Apr 2022 #29
This from the paper that employs Maggie Haberman agingdem Apr 2022 #36
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2022 #43
I do not believe Biden said that. True Blue American Apr 2022 #51
This is a MUCH better picture stopdiggin Apr 2022 #105
And that my friends is the problem. At a time in history that we need an Eliot Spitzer type Pepsidog Apr 2022 #30
I Support Democrats L. Coyote Apr 2022 #50
I had no idea Eliot Spitzer was a Republican. jalan48 Apr 2022 #61
No one is supporting republicons, FoxNewsSucks Apr 2022 #63
Oh for Pete's sake; he said "Spitzer-like". And then hoped for Shiff or Yates oldsoftie Apr 2022 #65
Post removed Post removed Apr 2022 #78
Several Democratic members of the 1/6 Committee, including Adam Schiff Marius25 Apr 2022 #80
Here we go again, eh? Grasswire2 Apr 2022 #85
Biden is not particularly unhappy with Garland either. Beastly Boy Apr 2022 #32
Why would anyone take the word True Blue American Apr 2022 #52
It's not even the word of a writer. It's a tweet quoting a very tiny part of the narrative Beastly Boy Apr 2022 #67
Like Somebody says? True Blue American Apr 2022 #75
I wish. Beastly Boy Apr 2022 #82
Someone needs to tell Biden to stop being so naive. Lucky Luciano Apr 2022 #33
Biden is not naive..he's frustrated.. agingdem Apr 2022 #45
That was sarcasm... Lucky Luciano Apr 2022 #69
Biden did not say it. former9thward Apr 2022 #71
They're serious.. agingdem Apr 2022 #72
The lack of seriousness is the ignoring of subpoena s going utterly unpunished. Lucky Luciano Apr 2022 #73
I'd say send the US Marshall Service after them agingdem Apr 2022 #74
No action on the criminal referral against Meadows Deminpenn Apr 2022 #94
Nope. Thing is, he DIDN'T say it stopdiggin Apr 2022 #107
Rebuttal 48656c6c6f20 Apr 2022 #34
So much for all the "have patience, trustee"ers. KPN Apr 2022 #38
Welcome to the executive branch of government, Mr. Garland FakeNoose Apr 2022 #39
That sounds like a "people say" comment. tavernier Apr 2022 #41
Agree! True Blue American Apr 2022 #54
+1, uponit7771 Apr 2022 #88
exactly what it is. -(nt)- stopdiggin Apr 2022 #108
Typical NYT reporting. This is gossip. Ignore the Biden administration's accomplishments Raven123 Apr 2022 #42
I Biden said that. But it needs a timeline. Prosecute by MM/DD or I will replace you.... usaf-vet Apr 2022 #47
this is precisely what Biden will NOT do stopdiggin Apr 2022 #109
Trump, Barr and Co. have ruined the DOJ's impartiality forever. TeamProg Apr 2022 #49
That's a big, fat, wide, deep, and LOUD "Amen!" from me! calimary Apr 2022 #55
The DOJ has had 15 months to investigate Trump and his planners and funders. Lonestarblue Apr 2022 #56
Someone needs to tell President Biden to be patient! Emile Apr 2022 #60
I understand that they want to build an airtight case Novara Apr 2022 #76
"Justice delayed is justice denied." dchill Apr 2022 #81
It's a funny thing soldierant Apr 2022 #84
Mild apology for what? Marius25 Apr 2022 #86
Oh, I don't know ... for thinking that, and speaking as if, he was lying? soldierant Apr 2022 #87
We seldom talk about the affect of losing a case or Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2022 #89
I saw enough evidence on Jan 6 when Trump orchestrated the insurrection. Why Garland Emile Apr 2022 #92
that is you opinion (and you're fully entitled to it) stopdiggin Apr 2022 #110
Since you brought it up and you think you are in the majority, maybe Emile Apr 2022 #111
did I say anything about majority? stopdiggin Apr 2022 #114
Me too. But these people are masters at not getting Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2022 #118
AG role requires many aspects of managerial skills bucolic_frolic Apr 2022 #95
Kick BlueWavePsych Apr 2022 #98
Fire him!.... mudstump Apr 2022 #99
Wait! Wait! Someone scold Biden for his lack of faith in "the system" Orrex Apr 2022 #102
Looks like they are avoiding this thread! Emile Apr 2022 #103
Funny how that works, right? Orrex Apr 2022 #104
That told me everything. Novara Apr 2022 #115
this thread is chalk full stopdiggin Apr 2022 #113
Sound like Garland may be Bidens biggest mistake. Kablooie Apr 2022 #106
only thing I hope llashram Apr 2022 #112
He should have said this 9+ months ago Stargleamer Apr 2022 #116
Guess Donny just soiled his Depends again Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2022 #117

blm

(113,043 posts)
2. My view is that Biden should not be seen or heard as
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 02:39 PM
Apr 2022

Last edited Sat Apr 2, 2022, 06:34 PM - Edit history (1)

telling his attorney general what should be done to someone the nation sees as his political rival. Trump was dead wrong when he signaled what he wanted. Any president needs to stand clear in cases involving political enemies. The NEWSmedia will not show discernment. They’ll rake Biden over the coals for doing even .5% of what Trump did for 4yrs unpunished by them.

agingdem

(7,845 posts)
24. Biden isn't Trump/Garland isn't Barr
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 03:29 PM
Apr 2022

every day there's a new Trump revelation..Biden, like the rest of us, wants Trump muzzled...and that's not going to happen until/unless he indicted and under a gag order...we need a reckoning..as for the J6 committee..lots of tantalizing teasers..subpoenas served/subpoenas defied/contempt charges...only closed door "interviews" but no public hearings and no report..again, I know Trump crap continues to surface but I want to know what they know instead of "wait for it, wait for it"...it's way past time for the DOJ and the J6 to go public..

Mr.Bill

(24,280 posts)
28. A gag order won't stop Trump from doing whatever he does.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 03:36 PM
Apr 2022

And if he violates the gag order, how many years will we spend investigating it?

agingdem

(7,845 posts)
35. as long the media allows him to "suck the air out of a room"
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 03:49 PM
Apr 2022

then he will continue spew his never-ending vomitus bilge.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,113 posts)
97. Which they will do as long as it makes them money.
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 07:29 AM
Apr 2022

And, since his name makes that happen, regardless of whether or not he is crowing to them or being indicted for something, they are going to feature him. Stop giving the media any attention whenever that orange gibbon appears, start vocally boycotting any media that features him, and they will stop giving him platforms to use.

oldsoftie

(12,531 posts)
62. Yes it is past time. Nov is just around the corner.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 05:21 PM
Apr 2022

If the House goes R then the J6 committee goes away I'm sure

agingdem

(7,845 posts)
68. Because memories are short I'm wondering
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 05:39 PM
Apr 2022

Last edited Sat Apr 2, 2022, 06:42 PM - Edit history (1)

if the J6 committee and the DOJ are waiting to release the report/indict Trump closer to the midterms...makes me nervous as hell

PatrickforB

(14,570 posts)
40. I hear you, except that Trump is a traitor.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 04:10 PM
Apr 2022

It has gone far, far beyond Trump merely being a 'political enemy.' The guy is a huge danger to the republic. A traitor who tried to overturn an election with an armed insurrection. A guy out to foment civil war.

Honestly, Garland needs to poop or get off the pot on this thing. Biden is right. Because we've never really been 'here' before. Not in our lifetimes.

blm

(113,043 posts)
70. I agree, just don't want media saying that Biden
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 05:46 PM
Apr 2022

is telling the Attorney General what he wants to see happen.

Does anyone think the corporate media will treat Biden fairly on this?

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
91. there are 1500 prominent radio stations saying biden, who's son works for china, and other BS,
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 02:02 AM
Apr 2022

as long as dumbshit dem orgs continue to ignore rw radio, 1500 radio stations will keep blasting the country with the message that biden, who's son hid a whole apple computer up his ass, is a traitor

it just can't get stupider than dems ignoring rw radio

Evolve Dammit

(16,723 posts)
77. 45 did nothing of the kind and suffered naught for it. Joe has his own mind and can articulate it.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 06:28 PM
Apr 2022

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
3. Biden is the one person who can do something about that
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 02:40 PM
Apr 2022

I know he doesn't want to go through another confirmation hearing for AG but better to do it sooner than later.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
10. No he shouldn't
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 03:05 PM
Apr 2022

What does that signal? The AG isn’t going after political enemies (guilty or mot) she he gets fired? You know how that will be spun.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
14. Wasn't advocating for it. Just pointing out he's the one person who can change it
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 03:17 PM
Apr 2022

I think Garland wants an air-tight case if he's going to charge a former president. A long jury trial with the chance of a hung jury or not guilty verdict would be counterproductive.

He needs a stron case that would force Trump to admit guilt because conviction would be a no brainer.

A different AG might take a different approach.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
22. Trump would a great defense attorney
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 03:26 PM
Apr 2022

The entire period between indictment and end of the trial would be a shit show. It would make OJ look like small claims court.

I think any AG has to make sure their case could hold up under such extreme conditions.

jaxexpat

(6,818 posts)
53. The facts of their case will hold up simply because they're facts.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 04:51 PM
Apr 2022

The problem is it's not a case about facts vs lies so much as it is about how well the general population will respond to the judgement, however it goes. Biden seems to have more faith in the goodness and common sense of people than "legal people" do. Thing about it is that there's NO AMOUNT of hand feeding irrefutable proof to the MAGA's which will guarantee there won't be violence in the streets if Trump's cause loses. If he walks, justice minded people will simply become more depressed and resigned to the end of democracy, but they won't riot. I think Joe sees that resignation as the greater threat because he, rightly, sees it as the prelude to a national hopelessness.
Meanwhile, this whole ordeal is like pulling teeth without pain medication. Best to get right to it and be finished. The least painful path is that with the least time for the dread of pain to dwell. However necessary it may be, this interminable delay is causing the stress of anticipation to further aggravate the whole nation while it's already prepped for major surgery.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
64. Well said.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 05:23 PM
Apr 2022

I think what's interesting is how technology has allowed bogus information to be disseminated to the masses in a way it could never have been even 20 years ago.

Sometimes during discussions the person or group I'm talking to will try to recall a name or some other fact. I like to say, why debate or spend too much time trying remember something that you can googe.

But yet that same mechanism let's the lies flourish. It's baffling. It's aggravating. And sometimes I think I should give up and turn off the news. But I'm too damn curious about what's going to happen next.

LudwigPastorius

(9,136 posts)
21. "You know how that will be spun."
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 03:26 PM
Apr 2022

Sure, but for the safety and integrity of our Constitution and democratic system, Trump needs any future paths to power closed. Prosecuting Trump is the right thing to do.

Besides, how it would be portrayed is one of the least-worrying possible things to overcome if we want Joe, or any other Democrat, in the White House in 2024.
 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
44. It isn't just about it being portrayed.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 04:19 PM
Apr 2022

If we start firing people because we don’t like that their investigation into political adversaries isn’t moving how we want it to the we are completely fucked.

But whatever throw the norms and the institutions i to the fire so we can stay warm a little longer.

helpisontheway

(5,007 posts)
37. It signals that he is not doing his job. It is obvious to everyone
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 04:00 PM
Apr 2022

that Trump was knee deep in everything that happened that day. Yet Trump gets off free..I don’t care that he is a former president. If they do not stop him now then our democracy will be over if Trump is elected again. People so pissed at Biden now they might hold their nose and vote for Trump again. I never thought Trump would win against Hillary so I’m not gonna be in the Trump would never be elected again bunch. He is a serious threat and would should not assume that people will do the right thing..

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
4. Biden has said he will allow DOJ to do its job. How does he get out of that box?
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 02:45 PM
Apr 2022

Failure to support Congressional subpoenas come to mind .....

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
11. He doesn't get out of that box.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 03:08 PM
Apr 2022

That is how ot is supposed to be. If we throw out our norms and circumvent how the government works then what are we doing? Aside for more normalization of the deterioration of our democracy. You can say “Well they and Trump did it” But that is a big reason why Trump wasn’t re-elected. People were fed up with the circus and the ineptitude and the corruption.

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
46. The PERFECT way to respond.......
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 04:25 PM
Apr 2022

Joe's support for the 'rule of law' and the right of Congress to subpoena witnesses is clear in the Constitution. There is a 'legal motion' sitting on the desk of the DOJ - awaiting action. It would be fair and proper for the President to 'encourage' the DOJ to DO THEIR JOB!

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
96. Exactly, you've run with my point
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 07:10 AM
Apr 2022

Backing up the Constitution has little downside and a whole lotta weight

Hekate

(90,643 posts)
5. My gods, yes. I found myself thinking about Atty General Bobby Kennedy & the Mafia...
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 02:47 PM
Apr 2022

I was just a kid then, but the general consensus was that he went after those thugs with, as his older brother would say, “with vigah.”

Please find us a real prosecutor, Joe.

Grasswire2

(13,567 posts)
7. a strategic leak from WH to NYT.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 02:56 PM
Apr 2022

Here we go.

POTUS can't directly talk to Garland, but someone in WH can leak what his feelings are.

Let's roll.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
58. I really would hate to think that were true.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 05:14 PM
Apr 2022

It would be an incredibly stupid reason.

Garland is no doubt qualified to be on the Supreme Court, and if pity were actually a big factor, making him the next nominee for that would have been a more understandable thing to do.

Deminpenn

(15,278 posts)
93. Believe it
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 04:36 AM
Apr 2022

No doubt in my mind, being US Atty Genl was a consolation prize for Garland.

The easiest way to get Garland out of the way might be to renominate him for a federal judgeship. He could go back to the DC circuit, but it's handling the Jan 6th cases and he'd have to recuse himself from all of those. 3rd circuit might be a good landing spot for him. Or maybe he could be lateralled to another cabinet position.

I think Garland has integrity, but even though he was a prosecutor at one time, years of being a federal judge have made him way too slow. He seems to weighing every move like he's a judge. Prosecutors now have to make their case to two judges, the one who's their boss and the one who be assigned to their case.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
16. I'm a bit puzzled with Garland. After years of corruptions, shouldn't he be light-speed agressive?
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 03:19 PM
Apr 2022

who knows how long he can remain AG, act to the fullest extent of the law possible to prosecute as many as possible. Let judges decide fate. I bet if Kamala was AG, she’d prosecute the shit out trump. She was extremely successful tough on crime prosecutor both at SF City level and as AG of California. Bold, strong, uncompromising leadership is so needed right now.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
59. That was really the only disappointing thing about her taking VP
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 05:17 PM
Apr 2022

I wanted her for AG.

Careful, thorough and precise is certainly needed. But we also needed an AG that is a bold ass-kicker. I'm not sure Garland is that, but I have no doubt about Harris.

Chainfire

(17,530 posts)
18. I would think that the local slip and fall shyster lawyer
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 03:21 PM
Apr 2022

could get a conviction on Trump if 10% of what I reasonably believe to be true is in fact true.

The end of this is preordained and nothing us mortals think or do about it will change that.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
20. Can Biden ask him to resign?
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 03:23 PM
Apr 2022

He's been a colossal disappointment as AG and may have been a better USSC justice since he's acting like one.

Polybius

(15,381 posts)
57. Sure, but he doesn't even have to ask
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 05:07 PM
Apr 2022

Trump fired Sessions, among many others. I'm in no way defending Trump, btw.

stopdiggin

(11,295 posts)
101. it's a second party
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 11:56 AM
Apr 2022

source - - "Biden has said in private conversation" (according to someone the reporter actually spoke to? and was that source a first party witness to this statement?)

And the "sounds like Biden disappointed" is purely the 'opinion' of the OP.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
29. We know better than to trust the NY Times about someone said someone said, right?
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 03:36 PM
Apr 2022

The article isn't behind a paywall for a change, so we know this is the source: "... according to two people familiar with his comments." Familiar with? So, did they even hear the comment?


This article is based on interviews with more than a dozen people, including officials in the Biden administration and people with knowledge of the president’s thinking, all of whom asked for anonymity to discuss private conversations.

In a statement, Andrew Bates, a White House spokesman, said the president believed that Mr. Garland had “decisively restored” the independence of the Justice Department.

“President Biden is immensely proud of the attorney general’s service in this administration and has no role in investigative priorities or decisions,” Mr. Bates said.

.... Justice Department officials do not keep Mr. Biden abreast of any investigation ..........

...... Despite Mr. Biden’s private frustrations with the attorney general, several people who speak regularly to the president said he had praised Mr. Garland as among the most thoughtful, moral and intelligent people he had dealt with in his career.

The two men did not know each other well when Mr. Biden selected him for the job. .......

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
51. I do not believe Biden said that.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 04:49 PM
Apr 2022

Not after what we witnessed out of Barr. Biden is much too smart to interfere.

I think Garland is waiting to get all the facts together. He just hired 132 new Hudges. That tells me he is going full speed ahead. After he has the facts.

stopdiggin

(11,295 posts)
105. This is a MUCH better picture
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 12:09 PM
Apr 2022

than the slant the article (and OP) is trying to spin. Biden has been strictly hands off - consistently - and that's precisely the way it should be.

(there are undoubtedly other people within the party - and perhaps the administration - who would prefer a more proactive stance - but it isn't coming from Joe)

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
30. And that my friends is the problem. At a time in history that we need an Eliot Spitzer type
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 03:38 PM
Apr 2022

personality, we have an institutionalist AG who is polite and nice to everyone. We need a nasty SOB who knows how to play hardball. There is a time and place for Garland’s personality, and now, after an attempted coup is not the time for nice guys or gals. Love to Schiff or Yates as AG.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
50. I Support Democrats
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 04:42 PM
Apr 2022
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FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
63. No one is supporting republicons,
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 05:22 PM
Apr 2022

Schiff, Yates and Spitzer are all Democrats.

In fact, if Spitzer hadn't been so effective, there wouldn't have been such effort to end his career. Like Al Franken, losing him was a big hit to the Democratic side of things.

Response to oldsoftie (Reply #65)

Beastly Boy

(9,308 posts)
32. Biden is not particularly unhappy with Garland either.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 03:41 PM
Apr 2022

From the same article:

While there is no indication that federal prosecutors are close to charging the former president, Mr. Biden and those closest to him understand the legal calculations. What Mr. Garland is confronting is anything but a normal problem, with enormous political stakes ahead of the next presidential election.

There is unrelenting pressure from Democrats to hold former President Donald J. Trump and his allies accountable for the violence that unfolded at the Capitol on Jan. 6. Federal prosecutors would have no room for error in building a criminal case against Mr. Trump, experts say, given the high burden of proof they must meet and the likelihood of any decision being appealed.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/02/us/politics/merrick-garland-biden-trump.html

But this doesn't sound as catchy in a tweet as what Biden said privately to an unidentified person a couple of months ago, does it?


Beastly Boy

(9,308 posts)
67. It's not even the word of a writer. It's a tweet quoting a very tiny part of the narrative
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 05:39 PM
Apr 2022

of a writer publishing his opinion, which is not supported by, and at times contrary to, other parts of the same narrative.

Lucky Luciano

(11,253 posts)
33. Someone needs to tell Biden to stop being so naive.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 03:41 PM
Apr 2022

A tight lipped accurate prosecution takes time and has no margin for error.

Lucky Luciano

(11,253 posts)
69. That was sarcasm...
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 05:42 PM
Apr 2022

Some here defend Garland without question.

Adam Schiff was a credible critic of Garland. Now Biden is saying WTF too.

Time to get serious about threats to our entire way of life.

agingdem

(7,845 posts)
72. They're serious..
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 05:56 PM
Apr 2022

however, both the J6 committee and the DOJ are still gather evidence…I’ll give them that but how about a little multitasking here, like collate the evidence AND hold hearings And indict Trump now…waiting!

Lucky Luciano

(11,253 posts)
73. The lack of seriousness is the ignoring of subpoena s going utterly unpunished.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 05:59 PM
Apr 2022

Throwing them under the jail instead of letting them laugh at us would be a great start.

agingdem

(7,845 posts)
74. I'd say send the US Marshall Service after them
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 06:03 PM
Apr 2022

with lots of media in tow….escort them to the hearing room and if they refuse a sit-down then arrest them…

Deminpenn

(15,278 posts)
94. No action on the criminal referral against Meadows
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 04:49 AM
Apr 2022

is what's rankling Dems on the Jan 6th committee.

But, now we know there's a GJ investigating the planning and financing of the rally, then riot. Meadows would be a very, if not the, key witness for them because he obviously knows a lot from just the text messages he turned over to the committee and that the parts that have been publically released by them.

Maybe DoJ doesn't want to indict Meadows because they have bigger plans for him to be supoenaed and to testify in front of the GJ. Maybe Meadows is to Trump as Dean was to Nixon.

stopdiggin

(11,295 posts)
107. Nope. Thing is, he DIDN'T say it
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 12:19 PM
Apr 2022

Schiff is entitled to his opinion (and in fact has a little more freedom there than POTUS) - but by all credible accounts the president doesn't share it - and is making no move into that corner.

It's all spun like so much cotton candy.

FakeNoose

(32,630 posts)
39. Welcome to the executive branch of government, Mr. Garland
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 04:10 PM
Apr 2022

It's a different world when you have to answer to the people. Also you have to answer to your President.

Raven123

(4,828 posts)
42. Typical NYT reporting. This is gossip. Ignore the Biden administration's accomplishments
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 04:17 PM
Apr 2022

Go to the juicy stuff. Geez.

usaf-vet

(6,181 posts)
47. I Biden said that. But it needs a timeline. Prosecute by MM/DD or I will replace you....
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 04:27 PM
Apr 2022

.... with someone who will!

I feel like we are heading to another Mueller laughing catastrophe.

If TFG is not prosecuted, why should I or anyone believe the laws are meant for everyone.

When he asked an official in Georgia to "find me 11,780 ballots." HE BROKE THE LAW!

Prosecute him on that to start!!!!! There is a tape of him saying that, period!
Here is the link: https://tinyurl.com/Trump11780

stopdiggin

(11,295 posts)
109. this is precisely what Biden will NOT do
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 12:30 PM
Apr 2022

and has made clear (quite publicly and pointedly) on a number of different occasions. You can disagree with that position (vigorously if you so choose) - but he's been pretty straightforward about his role as POTUS.

Tweet media not withstanding ...

TeamProg

(6,115 posts)
49. Trump, Barr and Co. have ruined the DOJ's impartiality forever.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 04:39 PM
Apr 2022

No one will ever say that the A.G is unbiased again.

It’s open season on the DOJ.

calimary

(81,212 posts)
55. That's a big, fat, wide, deep, and LOUD "Amen!" from me!
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 05:01 PM
Apr 2022

C’mon, Mr. President! You’re well-known and widely-acknowledged for doing the right thing.

Get your A.G. to do the right thing here, dammit! Surely BY NOW he’s got enough solid evidence to seek formal redress!

Lonestarblue

(9,971 posts)
56. The DOJ has had 15 months to investigate Trump and his planners and funders.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 05:05 PM
Apr 2022

When considering insurrection and an attempted coup to overthrow the US government, 15 months is a lifetime. I’m glad Garland is finally investigating, but if he proceeds at the same pace, it will be 2024 before any serious charges are brought.

Garland has also lost the news cycle, and as a federal judge he probably had no need to think about the need to communicate. He didn’t need to announce details, but Garland spent months saying nothing while Republicans changed the narrative from an attack to patriotic rights. We might all hate the 24/7 news cycle we live in, but it’s reality and when you ignore it false narratives are allowed to take over.

Novara

(5,840 posts)
76. I understand that they want to build an airtight case
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 06:12 PM
Apr 2022

I get it. But if the J6 committee and the DoJ don't give Democratic voters SOMETHING to show that they will hold ALL of the traitors responsible, the Dems are going to be wiped out this November. If the Dems lose the House this fall, there will be no accountability because the J6 committee will be shut down.

And what if Garland decides he doesn't have a tight enough case to indict? All of these traitors walk free to take over our government.

soldierant

(6,847 posts)
84. It's a funny thing
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 08:07 PM
Apr 2022

After the revelation (I suspect an "authorized leak" that there's been a grand jury for two months working (up to now with NMO leals) I kind of ecxpected to come here snd see a few mild apologies. But it's as if the news never happened.



I personally would not have used the term "Garland haters." I don't see hate for Garland here. Just lack of faith.

soldierant

(6,847 posts)
87. Oh, I don't know ... for thinking that, and speaking as if, he was lying?
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 08:20 PM
Apr 2022

Perhaps you didn't. But there have been some.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
89. We seldom talk about the affect of losing a case or
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 11:28 PM
Apr 2022

not having enough concrete evidence has on all this. No one wants to lose. No one wants the wrath of trump with the allegations of partisanship. These are realities that wouldn't be so important were it not an x-prez and the craziest horror of a human ever.


Emile

(22,669 posts)
92. I saw enough evidence on Jan 6 when Trump orchestrated the insurrection. Why Garland
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 02:27 AM
Apr 2022

didn't start at the top and work his way down has me and millions of other folks very concerned. There's enough evidence to handcuff him and lock him up for trial.
.

stopdiggin

(11,295 posts)
110. that is you opinion (and you're fully entitled to it)
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 12:47 PM
Apr 2022

It is not universally shared. There's a good deal of opinion (legal and otherwise) that the prosecution of TFG is not the slam-dunk prospect that many imagine it to be. (particularly for actions taken on Jan 6th) And the post you responded to pointed to the substantial damage that an 'unsuccessful' prosecution might bring. These and other things are points that others are taking into account - in forming their own opinions.

stopdiggin

(11,295 posts)
114. did I say anything about majority?
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 12:56 PM
Apr 2022

believe I said that your opinion was not universal ...
does that somehow chafe?

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
118. Me too. But these people are masters at not getting
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 08:43 PM
Apr 2022

legally nailed. Hence the burner phones. Hence the cover of thousands of the non violent yahoos. Hence the cover of a rally.

1,000,000% they are guilty as hell in planning and organizing this 1-6 travesty. Does that translate to successful legal prosecution?, we can only hope.

As for his financial crimes, don't know if this is true, but read sources saying that the issue is that FG used valid FS's when it mattered? ( See how well the criminal plays chess?). Hope that's not true.

Have a haunting memory of post impeachment II... They asked the legal panel at the time about prosecution. I remember them saying there wouldn't be one. Because if they couldn't nail FG et al in a political procedure then they wouldn't in a legal procedure where the rules of evidence were much tougher

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
95. AG role requires many aspects of managerial skills
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 07:07 AM
Apr 2022

I wouldn't expect a long-time federal judge to necessarily excel at all aspects of that role. From a managerial perspective, a former large state AG would have more experience at managing a large bureaucracy. Don't know if that is any part of the slow path we're on, but thought to mention it.

mudstump

(342 posts)
99. Fire him!....
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 09:56 AM
Apr 2022

And replace him with someone who understands we are fighting a real battle for our democracy.

Orrex

(63,202 posts)
102. Wait! Wait! Someone scold Biden for his lack of faith in "the system"
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 12:01 PM
Apr 2022

When I have expressed impatience at the lack of apparent forward motion in the investigation of crimes obvious to every conscious human on the planet, I have been chastised for failing to believe that The System is working inexorably behind the scenes toward justice.

Perhaps those same thoughtful message-managers can explain to Biden why they think he's wrong.

Orrex

(63,202 posts)
104. Funny how that works, right?
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 12:07 PM
Apr 2022

They didn't have much to say last week when Schiff likewise commented on the DoJ's conspicuous lack of forward movement, either.

Novara

(5,840 posts)
115. That told me everything.
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 12:57 PM
Apr 2022

When even Adam Schiff is frustrated and says he isn't seeing movement, that tells me that everything I suspect about Garland hiding in the corner hoping we don't notice him may be true. I mean, don't you think we'd be hearing from the shitty lawyers the former administration uses if their clients are being subpoenaed? If their records are being subpoenaed? Maybe Garland's people can keep their mouths shut and lot leak anything (but I doubt it), but the other side? They can't wait to cry victim. Their raison d'etre is to cry victim. To me, the fact that they are silent means nothing is happening.

I hope I'm wrong. But the last five years have taught me to be completely cynical. One thing that mfer knows how to do is to evade justice.

stopdiggin

(11,295 posts)
113. this thread is chalk full
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 12:52 PM
Apr 2022

of people going directly at the OP (from a number of different angles - including a gross misrepresentation of Biden's position)

there's been no avoidance, my friend ...

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Kablooie

(18,625 posts)
106. Sound like Garland may be Bidens biggest mistake.
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 12:19 PM
Apr 2022

And our country may be in serious danger because of it.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
112. only thing I hope
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 12:50 PM
Apr 2022

is AG Garland knows he has a case and is waiting to lower the boom at a moment trump and his lawyers CANNOT slither out of being prosecuted to the FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW... otherwise...

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