121,000 children forcibly removed to Russia.

[Crunchy Frog]

Child separation policies orders of magnitude worse than Trump's policies at the Mexican border.

Link to tweet

?s=20&t=d_gW1xrD4NQeMhhCfFZr0Q

[Frustratedlady]

1. If this, plus the story of adults being removed to camps closer to Russia are true...

how can they be legal...even internationally legal?

When are the gas chambers put into operation?

Isn't this enough for NATO and/or the UN to step in?

My God, how excruciating it is to stand by and watch when nothing is being done to stop this mad man.

[doc03]

2. They brought their crematoriums with them. nt

[Crunchy Frog]

3. How would they ever be held legally accountable?

Maybe some special operations inside Russia to dispense summary justice. Maybe use of DNA technology to track down kidnapped children, though it would be pretty difficult to get them back out of Russia.

Maybe taking some important officials hostage and only exchanging them for abducted children.

They will probably need to take some very unconventional approaches.

If this isn't addressed then it will establish a precedent that it is okay to snatch children from any country to give to any other country.

[Frustratedlady]

5. I keep thinking of the beautiful faces of those children that have been escaping...

they look so healthy and are so well mannered. I think of my grandchildren and what a horrible mess I will be leaving them some day.

Then I look at Putin's photo and those cold, lifeless eyes. I think of nukes and Putin's hate for America.

There has to be a solution. There has to be.

[Meowmee]

34. Agree

[NickB79]

18. Everything's legal when you make the laws

Inside Russia, anything goes if Putin deems it so.

That's what happens in a dictatorship.

[Frustratedlady]

20. I meant the UN and/or NATO. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

I agree Putin can make his own laws, as well as other horrid leaders.

We just don't need another holocaust.

[Calculating]

41. But nukes....

We can't make the genocidal madman who wants to massacre an entire nation with his army of barbarians angry, he might release the nukes..... People just don't get it, monsters don't stop themselves.

[barbtries]

4. i need a better source than facebook.

and found one.
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-to-fast-track-adoption-of-deported-ukraine-orphans-kyiv-officials-2022-4

this is sickening. #EndPutin #FreeUkraine

[erronis]

11. Thank you for being skeptical, and finding more info than twitter and facebuck.

There is a lot of misinformation and exaggeration out there. I'll wait for a UN or international organization to confirm.

[Igel]

23. there are three sides to this.

Ours, theirs, and the truth.

By "ours" I include Ukraine.

The # of moved kids is unknowable by me. Let's say it's 121k. Sure, it matters; just not for this post. And I'll use a similar example to reason by analogy--never a great way of reasoning, but here I think it's good enough.

Note that previously it was claimed X number of people were forcibly evacuated from the Donbas to Russia. Some said that couldn't be proven; in fact, in detail it wasn't, in principle it was, just don't focus on the precision of the number.

A week to 10 days *after* that forcible evacuation a number of Ukrainians showed up at the borders to Baltic countries. Refugees. From the Donbas. Their stories were intriguing and entirely plausible.

They'd voluntarily evacuated--some of those "forcibly removed," it would seem. But they didn't want to stay in Russia. They said that some of those with them *wanted* to stay in Russia. But that others weren't allowed to leave wherever they were being sent. But that those evacuated were checked, ID confiscated, and they were vetted. Presumably some of those "not allowed to leave" were those that failed vetting.

So I assume that some of the children sent were allowed to leave by parents who otherwise couldn't leave. I assume that most were just kidnapped for the Vaterland. (Those who like such pointless trivia and pointed out that in Russian "fatherland" was "rodina" which has to do with mother and birthing overlooked otechestvo, which is "fatherland"--the dominant word used here; the juxtaposition isn't an insight.)

Yesterday/today the story sort of repeated, with people being taken from Izyum and other occupied territories, not always voluntarily, but with their documents seized and temp "correct" documentation provided. Except that in Mariupol if you were a man of the appropriate age you weren't given temp ID you were given a draft notice. Notice that this stands to reason, since the territories were considered *always* DNR and LNR but "Ukr occupied" in Rascist Mobius logic.

[erronis]

36. Thanks. A lot to digest here - I'll assume with a reasonable amount of facts to back this up.

Analogies and historical examples are always useful.

[FailureToCommunicate]

24. Almost didn't want to see that this was really happening. So terribly sick.

[Maraya1969]

6. This is Hitler type shit!!!! Wasn't everyone deemed at fault for not stopped Hitler earlier? Are

we going to do it again?

I can't stand this!

[brer cat]

7. There is no bottom to Putin's evil.

He must go!

[marie999]

8. And still NATO wrings its hands and sits there.

[TomSlick]

28. Our European NATO allies are too dependent on Russian oil and gas to act militarily.

The US is too intent on maintaining NATO unity to act unilaterally. Besides, Putin has nuclear weapons so everyone is frozen to inaction.

Europe will send weapons to Ukraine and money to Russia. NATO will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

[StevieM]

9. This is so evil.

I am sickened by what Putin is doing.

And shame on any adoption industry officials who take part in this.

[liberalla]

10. NO! No no no NO! ! ! OMG... This is so wrong...

Yes, much worse than trump, and that was horrible too...


I just can't even . . .

[Nululu]

12. Trafficking children. USA must stop Russia.

They are raping and murdering women and children . They are torturing and murdering in concentration camps. There's a slaughter and destruction of these people.

We cannot stand aside for this. What is our military for?

Putin is thrilled at our inaction. He makes Biden and NATO look weak.

I am disgusted by our inaction.

[orangecrush]

13. Kick

[flying_wahini]

14. Ukraine is destroyed, their people dead or gone. What's the point of NOT helping now?

I get that there are rules. But just for our side?

Why even have NATO if you fail to act when people need you?

[RussBLib]

15. so kidnapping children now?

will they be sequestered and educated by the propagandists?

I heard that Putin was somewhat pissed at all the Russian babies that were being adopted by Western countries. Many came to the US. Perhaps this is his way of re-stocking? A new level of hell.

Perhaps this is a replenishment of the stocks of children being trafficked for sex. Another reason Plump would love Putin. And the GOP too for that matter.

[Crunchy Frog]

31. Here's a Substack by Timothy Snyder that puts some of this into context.

It's fundamentally about the elimination of the Ukrainian nation.

https://snyder.substack.com/p/russias-genocide-handbook?s=r

[colorado_ufo]

16. As we watch this daily descent into new levels of hell,

I am feeling guilt at sleeping in a comfortable bed and with every meal I eat. I am also beginning to feel much less safe here in my own country. If we are always afraid of what Russia might do with its nuclear weapons, or Korea, or China, where does it end? We hold back from helping Ukraine because we fear World War III, if Europe is taken over, do we hold back because we fear direct attack, if we are directly attacked, do we hold back because we don't want to destroy the entire planet? Where does it end?

[Calculating]

42. There's no end to the Russian depravity in this war

I wish the whole world would just come together and end their pathetic nation. They're a disgrace to the human race. Russia needs to be completely ruined and maybe then it can be remade into something functional.

[Mr. Evil]

17. Since Russia is the world's largest producer of child pornography

one can only guess where the vast majority of these children will end up.

There seems to be no one in Russia with any hint of integrity, humanity and honor to do what needs to be done to that one bastard.

[Peregrine Took]

19. Hal Sparks said Russia needs babies to keep going as a viable country.

That is really what's driving Putin and he's not going to stop with Ukraine.
Here is an article on this subject.
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-the-population-decline-in-russia-has-hit-its-highest-in-history-54327

[ripcord]

21. I'm sure NATO leaders are outraged, just not outraged enough to get involved

I often wonder if there is an atrocity serious enough to get NATO moving. I also wonder how many people here will actually back NATO nations if Putin attacks a member nation, the fear of a nuclear strike will only be increased at that point.

[Evolve Dammit]

30. I have the same questions.

[Meowmee]

35. Good questions

We will find out what the answers are.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

22. There's no end to Pootler's cruelty.

It's a yawning black pit and you'll never find the bottom. He would happily exterminate six million+ Ukrainians and be glad he beat someone else's record.

He deserves a horrible death. Not holding my breath though. Joseph Mengele apparently died playing in the surf on a sunny day in Brazil. But I can hope, nonetheless.

A DNA database will need to be established in Ukraine. Sometime in the future, hopefully if there is one, these lost children, who in all likelihood will be adults, would be able to submit a DNA sample to be analyzed against this database.

Fuck Russia. (anyone know how to write this in Ukranian...doubt I'll find it on Duolingo)

[Igel]

26. Hitler's around 12-13 million.

Stalin's is at 21 million or so.

Mao's # might be higher, but he and his heirs weren't as stupid as Stalin and his heirs. If Mao left records that would let us determine the number he killed, his heirs still have them buttoned up so we can't see them.

6 million. That's *just* Jews. Slavs, dissidents, Roma, GL(...).

At that point Putlin would have to kill at least 22 million Ukrainians.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

29. You're absolutely right...and I still think he'd be happy to surpass that number.

[ripcord]

38. How much better is someone who watches an atrocity, acknowledges it is wrong and does nothing? n/t

[The Unmitigated Gall]

39. Well, Ripcord, I guess that depends on the person, right?

I mean, if I was an experienced combat veteran with all my own equipment, minimal family ties, in top physical condition and with the means to take off from whatever life I was living and go fight in a new "Abraham Lincoln Brigade" you might judge me more harshly if I chose to "do nothing", than if I was a paraplegic living on general relief with no outlet other than to type words on my keyboard; you'd hopefully cut a guy like the latter maybe a little more slack...or would you?

Your question implies an assumption: that I've done "nothing". How would you know what I have or haven't done? Am I somehow obligated to disclose all my efforts on this site? If I was, for instance, active in cyber-warfaring against Russia to cripple Pootler's propaganda machine, would it make sense to blare that out on DU? If I've donated to the Ukrainian war effort, am I required again, to disclose that here? I can't comment unless I submit my bona-fides to you for your approval? Are you logging from a trench in Donbas with your M-4 at the ready?

If so, you have my respect and admiration. If you've contributed huge amounts of cash to the cause, congratulations again. As it happens, I'm trained in a profession that Ukrainians will be in dire need of when this war is over, and assuming the nation of Ukraine still stands. It's NOT your business in the least, but I HAVE informed my loved ones that while I will not be heading over there with a weapon, in all likelihood I will be going over later, with "what it is I do" to help in that capacity as I am best able. To that end, I'm learning to speak Ukranian now, so that my work will be somewhat easier, there, in the future.

Does all of this meet with your approval?

Should I care in the least if it doesn't?

[ripcord]

40. With NATO sitting on the sidelines there might not be anyone left to help n/t

[48656c6c6f20]

25. Don't worry the sanctions will stop this.

I mean North Korea is the most sanctioned country on earth and they're complying with.. Oh shit they're going to test a nuke soon. Well. More sanctions then.

[dalton99a]

27. Russia is in desperate need of (WHITE) children

Moscow (AFP) – Russia's population declined by more than one million people in 2021, the statistics agency Rosstat reported Friday, a historic drop not seen since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

The new figures continue a downward trend from the previous year when Russia's population fell by more than half a million.

The pandemic death toll exacerbates the demographic crisis, linked to low birth rates and a short life expectancy, that Russia has faced for the past 30 years.

Birth rates have been falling because the generation now becoming parents were born in the 1990s, when the birth rate plunged due to economic uncertainties after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

The number of births per woman stands at around 1.5, well short of the minimum of 2.1 necessary to renew the population.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220128-russia-loses-a-million-people-in-historic-population-fall

[Jetheels]

32. Sounds like Putin took a page from the trump separating kids from parents at the border playbook.

They learn well from one another.

And what does our 700 billion dollar a year military budget buy if it cannot stop this shit?

[C Moon]

33. Maybe this is a way to make money off of the children.

Russia is becoming a country of pirates.

[blue-wave]

37. Putin loves himself some Hitler, doesn't he

The Nazi's did the same thing, to Polish children in particular, during WWII.