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Jilly_in_VA

(9,965 posts)
Mon Apr 18, 2022, 12:22 PM Apr 2022

The end of the suit: has Covid finished off the menswear staple?

Simon Cundey’s family have been tailor-making men’s suits for seven generations, taking 37 measurements from every customer through the Great Depression and two world wars. The tailor’s arsenal of chalk, scissors and thread were put to work every weekday since the company was founded in 1806, until March 2020 when the government ordered almost everyone to work from home.

“If there’s one thing you can’t do at home, it’s measure people for suits,” says Cundey, who has worked for his family firm, Henry Poole & Co, tailors on Savile Row in London since his early 20s. “The pandemic is, by far, the worst crisis the business has ever faced. It is far worse than the Great Depression or the wars ever were.

“In wartime, the allied forces were here so we made uniforms for Americans and Canadians, and we could still see customers face-to-face,” he says, as we chat on leather sofas in front of a roaring log fire in the shop, surrounded by 48 framed warrants from the royal family and other world leaders.

Post lockdown, Cundey and his team of cutters, undercutters, trouser-, jacket- and waistcoat-makers are back at work at 15 Savile Row – the street known the world over as the home of the finest bespoke menswear – and customers are coming back through the doors. But there are not as many as before the pandemic, and fewer than before the 2008 financial crisis. It’s a story repeated up and down “the row”, and at other tailors across the country, as well as high street retailers from Marks & Spencer to Reiss, and online companies from Mr Porter to Asos.

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2022/apr/18/the-end-of-the-suit-has-covid-finished-off-the-menswear-staple
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This old lady thinks suits are dumb. But you know what's even dumber? TIES!

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The end of the suit: has Covid finished off the menswear staple? (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Apr 2022 OP
I sure hope not. Aristus Apr 2022 #1
Agreed. For the most part, the most uncomfortable thing I wear to work is jeans.. Volaris Apr 2022 #11
I hope so, but I admit fearing what might replace it. TreasonousBastard Apr 2022 #2
White hooded robes, stylish all-black SS tunics, Boogaloo Boys' tailored hawaiian shirts? sop Apr 2022 #7
I am totally pissed at the Boogaloo Boiz' fashion choice jmowreader Apr 2022 #22
In my navy days Jerry2144 Apr 2022 #3
Men really look fabulous in well- fitted suits with crisp shirts and ties. northoftheborder Apr 2022 #4
The UnTuckIt guy and his ads irritate the hell out of me. 3catwoman3 Apr 2022 #18
If only DavidDvorkin Apr 2022 #5
I tended to dress on the nicer side pre-Covid but more and more feel overdressed as others... dutch777 Apr 2022 #6
Did it for 35 years. Done with suits. Done with ties. Tomconroy Apr 2022 #8
Suits are smart. I have a black one for funerals and a blue one for weddings. HeartachesNhangovers Apr 2022 #9
I think Zelenskyy has had an impact as well. barbaraann Apr 2022 #10
This almost 69 year old female hates men's suits. SamKnause Apr 2022 #12
Ties originally had a purpose Jilly_in_VA Apr 2022 #14
Thanks for the information on ties. SamKnause Apr 2022 #16
I thought they were to protect the shirt from ketchup. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #19
I remember back in the late 80's through early 90's, I worked for Ames Dept Stores... Ohio Joe Apr 2022 #13
I am glad to see that alterations/tailoring has, at least, stopped being a discriminatory enterprise Ms. Toad Apr 2022 #15
Hear, hear! Jilly_in_VA Apr 2022 #17
Haircutters figured it out. Why didn't suit measurers? Iggo Apr 2022 #20
There seems no shortage of them among news anchors, televangelists, and politicians Wednesdays Apr 2022 #21

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
1. I sure hope not.
Mon Apr 18, 2022, 12:25 PM
Apr 2022

I love dressing up. I have a number of hand-finished suits, and about a hundred ties.

Let the tee-shirt-and-dirty-sweats guys wear whatever they want. When all this is over, and I can hit the town again, I'm going to look like a million bucks, tax-free, not like a buck-fifty and a can of Bud Lite.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
11. Agreed. For the most part, the most uncomfortable thing I wear to work is jeans..
Mon Apr 18, 2022, 01:25 PM
Apr 2022

(The other job is scrubs).

A tailored suit, tho, is very very much on the Bucket List, for those occasions where one is called for.

jmowreader

(50,553 posts)
22. I am totally pissed at the Boogaloo Boiz' fashion choice
Mon Apr 18, 2022, 03:19 PM
Apr 2022

When I first planned to go to Hawaii one of my goals was to buy some real Hawaiian shirts - not the ones in the ABC Stores, but the kind actual Hawaiians wear. And then I found out those traitors wear them as their uniform. Nope, nope, nope. No aloha shirts for me.

Jerry2144

(2,099 posts)
3. In my navy days
Mon Apr 18, 2022, 12:27 PM
Apr 2022

We called ties, “foreskin restraining device” since the people who wore them visiting the ship needed them to keep the foreskin from creeping up and covering their eyes and mouths/noses. They were all dickheads set to make our lives harder

northoftheborder

(7,572 posts)
4. Men really look fabulous in well- fitted suits with crisp shirts and ties.
Mon Apr 18, 2022, 12:36 PM
Apr 2022

“Untukit” does Not substitute well..

3catwoman3

(23,971 posts)
18. The UnTuckIt guy and his ads irritate the hell out of me.
Mon Apr 18, 2022, 02:57 PM
Apr 2022

IIRC, he calls this shirt design his "life's mission." How incredibly shallow.

dutch777

(3,010 posts)
6. I tended to dress on the nicer side pre-Covid but more and more feel overdressed as others...
Mon Apr 18, 2022, 12:53 PM
Apr 2022

...have definitely decided to dress down much more. Not to say they are shabby, but casual pants and just shirts seem as dressy as it gets in most public situations I have been in lately. A few months ago, my wife and I went to a very upscale restaurant on a Saturday night and she always dresses sharp and I wanted to compliment that with a nice shirt, tie and blazer with dress slacks and shoes. I definitely stood out in comparison to the other male diners. I think all evening only one older gentleman had a tie on and most didn't even have jackets. An evening at the ballet of all things was similar not long ago. I don't care that much for me, and if it makes my wife happy it's worth it, but must be tough to be in the suit and tie sales business for sure.

9. Suits are smart. I have a black one for funerals and a blue one for weddings.
Mon Apr 18, 2022, 01:15 PM
Apr 2022

My wife and I are going to her niece's wedding in a few weeks and my wife is still looking for a dress to wear. The purchase of the dress may require new shoes, if none of her existing ones match. I, on the other hand, knew exactly what I was going to wear the day we received the invitation. I'm not going to spend any money and I'm going to look well put-together.

I wore suits to work regularly for 26 years until I retired, and I never had to think much about what I was going to wear and always looked professional. Suits are for people with more important things to think about than fashion.

SamKnause

(13,091 posts)
12. This almost 69 year old female hates men's suits.
Mon Apr 18, 2022, 01:29 PM
Apr 2022

They look uncomfortable and very restraining.

They are drab and colorless.

I don't find them attractive on men.

The men's tie should go down in history as the dumbest article of clothing ever invented.

For going out to dinner, or on a date I like blazers with a nice shirt underneath, no tie.

I find construction workers to be the sexiest men on earth.

A man that works with his hands does it for me every time.

When you can see a man's muscles as he is working on or lifting something, that is sexy to me.

I don't like the look of weight lifters.

They gross me out.



Just my opinions.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,965 posts)
14. Ties originally had a purpose
Mon Apr 18, 2022, 02:50 PM
Apr 2022

They were meant to disguise where the collar attached to the shirt (collars were made separately back then). Now they're just ornamental. Most younger men don't even know how to tie one.

I'm with you on, not so much weight lifters, but body builders. My daughter and I call them "bumpy people".

My husband owns one suit, the one he bought just before we got married. Otherwise he has some casual jackets (what used to be called "sport coats&quot to wear on customer calls. He looks just fine in those.

SamKnause

(13,091 posts)
16. Thanks for the information on ties.
Mon Apr 18, 2022, 02:55 PM
Apr 2022

I am always eager to learn new things.

Sport coats reminds me of a song my mother and father use to listen to: A White Sport Coat and a Pink Carnation

by Marty Robbins.

I just call them blazers.

Ohio Joe

(21,751 posts)
13. I remember back in the late 80's through early 90's, I worked for Ames Dept Stores...
Mon Apr 18, 2022, 01:29 PM
Apr 2022

I was a newb programmer and we had to wear a suit every day. Every Friday was known as 'Ugly Tie Friday' and everyone would wear the ugliest tie they could find. It would upset management but we would laugh and laugh... Heh, so many ugly ties

Ms. Toad

(34,060 posts)
15. I am glad to see that alterations/tailoring has, at least, stopped being a discriminatory enterprise
Mon Apr 18, 2022, 02:50 PM
Apr 2022

Since I do custom sewing, that frees me to be a little sad at its potential passing.

The last time I checked (admittedly years ago), alterations were free for men in high end stores - but not for women. That appears to have changed.

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