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Skull discovered in drought-depleted Minnesota River last summer to be returned to Native American officials
Associated Press in Minnesota
Sat 21 May 2022 16.40 EDT
Native American officials will be given a partial skull discovered last summer by two kayakers in Minnesota after investigations determined it was about 8,000 years old.
The kayakers found the skull in the drought-depleted Minnesota River about 110 miles (180km) west of Minneapolis, Renville county sheriff Scott Hable said.
Thinking it might be related to a missing person case or murder, Hable shared the skull with a medical examiner and eventually to the FBI, where a forensic anthropologist used carbon dating to determine it was likely the skull of a young man who lived in that area between 5500 and 6000 BC, Hable said.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/21/human-skull-minnesota-kayakers
TheBlackAdder
(28,179 posts)reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... an exact second! No decimal places!
A real god would have created it at 27.182818284590452353602874713527.... seconds.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,315 posts)Goetsch said Minnesotas tribal communities learned about the discovery only after seeing the sheriffs Facebook post, which he called unacceptable and offensive.
Goetsch said the post showed a complete lack of cultural sensitivity by failing to reference the individual as Native American and referring to the remains as a little piece of history.
He also noted that laws that govern the care and repatriation of Native remains have been on the books for three decades, and the council and state archaeologist regularly work with law enforcement when remains are discovered.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)Yes, even before posting to Facebook.
eppur_se_muova
(36,257 posts)I think these "repatriations" are a little silly when the remains are that old.
Of course, the sheriff should have followed the rules, since no one knew how old the remains were at first. In such a case, better to notify everybody who might be concerned, than to realize later you missed someone you shouldn't have.
denbot
(9,899 posts)First nations and other Athabaskan nations maintain their presence in the same regions that they have occupied for the 20k years or longer. But I'm just
Apache so what the fuck do I know?
eppur_se_muova
(36,257 posts)I prefer to look for well-established evidence, even when it's hard to gather, hard to interpret, and subject to later revision. But the history of pre-Contact North America is neither a complete mystery, nor a record of stasis. Native tribes had their own history and shifting territorial boundaries, just as Europeans did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache#Entry_into_the_Southwest
Compared to 8,000 years ago, that's almost trivial. Whole civilizations have risen and fallen in a fraction of that time. Anyone finding 8,000 year old remains in the Southwest can be sure they're NOT Apache, or likely any modern tribe. And I doubt very much if knowing his remains were in the hands of one set of total strangers -- even the descendants of enemies -- rather than another would mean much to him.
If I found 8,000 year old bones in my backyard, should I declare it the remains a "True Son of the South" and suggest he be buried in a Confederate cemetery ? I'm sure everyone -- including me -- would consider that most inappropriate. We don't know that turning ancient remains over to modern tribes isn't just as inappropriate
BTW, your statement can actually be taken as correct -- in some regions. Not necessarily Minnesota.
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When French people first made contact with the Dakota in the late 1600s, they were centered in the Lake Mille Lacs area, Anfinson said. He said the Dakota were subsequently forced out of the Lake Mille Lacs area by the Ojibwe and headed south and west.
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They had reached Sault Ste. Marie in Michigan by 1600, Madeline Island in Wisconsin by 1650 and Fond du Lac and Lake Mille Lacs in Minnesota by 1745, Treuer said.
There were numerous battles and skirmishes between the Ojibwe and Dakota, Anfinson said. "There were casualties on both sides and it was very bitter," he said.
But the Dakota and Ojibwe were not the only tribes that lived in this area.
Members of the Ho-Chunk Tribe, also known as the Winnebago, lived in Minnesota. That tribe is now located in western Wisconsin and Nebraska.
The oral traditions of the Cheyenne Tribe, now located in Montana and Oklahoma, says they originally came from Minnesota before moving west into the Great Plains, Anfinson said. They probably lived here before 1700, he said.
The Ioway Tribe historically lived along the southern border with Iowa, said historian Bruce White. On the northern border, the Cree and Assiniboine also called Minnesota home, Treuer said.
https://www.startribune.com/native-american-dakota-ojibwe-history/600097050/
So there's been substantial migration even in relatively modern times, not always brought on by pressure from expanding white occupations.
TygrBright
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(5,770 posts)wnylib
(21,417 posts)It says that there would not have been many people around at that location 6000 years ago because the ice sheets had melted "only" 2000 years earlier.
2000 years is not long enough for population growth? Sounds like the anthropoligist in the article is following the old Clovis theory that people did not reach the interior of North America until after the glaciers melted.
The place where the skull was found might yield other information about life at that time, like tools and weapons. Wonder if they will excavate it or if they are concerned about possibly turning up more human remains which would be offensive to Native people.
But there are ways to get a view of what's underneath before digging.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)It was located in an area that was rich in Chumash artifacts. In fact, the area was a likely location for a Native American village, given everything else in the area. So, what did I do? I looked at it, contemplated the life of the person whose head it had been, and then left it right where it was.
There was no need to notify anyone. That area was well known as a Chumash-inhabited place.