I'm asking the admins to close down the Gungeon.

[lastlib]

"Gun Control and RKBA" I believe has no place on a progressive forum. It's time to shut. it. down. I'm sick of those sociopathic monsters who can't see their way to protect these kids. I don't want to see them accommodated any further.

[PortTack]

1. Thank you..agree totally

[Celerity]

2. K & R

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

3. I was banned years ago for expressing

that guns should be confiscated.

[Dial H For Hero]

8. It takes some work to get blocked from the Gungeon, only 5 posters are banned there at this time.

This is in contrast to its counterpart, Gun Control Reform Activism, which currently blocks 106 posters. Hence their nickname, “Castle Bansalot”.

[USALiberal]

10. That's what's bothering you tonight??

[Dial H For Hero]

16. I'm not bothered by it (being blocked) in the slightest.

[tenderfoot]

69. How about being banned outright?

[Scrivener7]

83. Oh, wow! Looks like he'll have to be heroic elsewhere!

No hides. I wonder what trollery got him the pizza.

[tenderfoot]

92. His defending the shooter perhaps

[Scrivener7]

93. Except he's done that lots of times before.

[tenderfoot]

94. I'm glad the admins had enough of his nonsense.

No great loss to the community.

[Scrivener7]

95. Me too! Just the name was barf-inducing.

[Spazito]

111. Hallelujah!

Kudos to the Admin.

[Celerity]

155. well played

[demmiblue]

158. Lol... Dial B for Buh-Bye!

He'll probably be back, though.

[Maru Kitteh]

151. Oh my GAWD do I *heart* that is you last post

Ever

[Scrivener7]

82. Interesting, isn't it, the points some feel are important when discussing massacres of children?

[Orrex]

85. There are fewer blocked from the Gungeon because people shun it

For the same reason that people prefer not to roll around in the waste pools at industrial hog farms, reasonable people prefer to avoid the Gungeon.

Hence fewer blocks.

[Scrivener7]

90. Also, if you look through the ones blocked from the gun control group, most of them

posted for a few months and then were either PPR'd or disappeared.

Hmmm... wonder whatever that could mean!

[Kaleva]

133. I was banned by the other place for saying people who have guns ought to get training

[Ohio Joe]

4. K&R - nt

[Chautauquas]

5. K and R

[Solly Mack]

6. K&R

[Nevilledog]

7. K & R

[USALiberal]

9. Earl, please make this true!!!!!!

[llmart]

11. I'm with you.

There should be no place on a progressive site such as DU for enabling the gun humpers to taint this website with their fetish.

[Floyd R. Turbo]

12. I had no idea that there was such a group on DU.

[SergeStorms]

22. Me either.

I guess I don't explore the site as much as others. I come here mainly for the news and opinions.

[FailureToCommunicate]

25. They used to be much more disruptive, on almost any posting, trying to engage

in pissing matches and any random troll goals.

[lame54]

13. But the 2nd DUmendment

[soldierant]

119. Yes. And here's a little history to hit them with.

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/may-24-2022

[AndyS]

150. deserves an OP . . .

[soldierant]

153. Thanks. See below.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016323797

[AndyS]

154. Well done! Well done indeed. nt

[kelly1mm]

14. Progressives are actually getting more pro-2nd amendment over the past decade, perhaps

in part as a realization that guns are going nowhere in the USA and thus feel the need to be armed as society continues to splinter. Imagine a soft civil war where one side had preemptively disarmed .....

Overall progressives are in favor of some gun control measures but outright bans are less and less popular.

[calimary]

54. Not THIS progressive!

NEVER! Although the deal I've been offering for several years now - still stands. I'll stop yowling about guns and restrictions and laws with teeth in 'em. I'll STOP COLD - in exchange for one thing. Actually two things.

Can I have my two friends back? Two friends, loyal, strong, kind, compassionate, supportive, and helpful. Talented and dedicated to their family, their friends, and their community. One fine day, they got into an argument, which rapidly spiraled downward, ending in a murder-suicide because one of 'em found a handy pistol in the house. BOOM, and BOOM. Gone. Both of them. In the span of all of a minute or two. GONE. FOREVER.

I'll give up bothering people about guns if I can have my two friends back. Deal?

[kelly1mm]

61. Since what you ask is physically impossible, no, there is no deal. And progressives

still support gun control including some bans by a decent margin, just not as overwhelmingly as before. I certainly don't want you or anyone else to stop talking about gun control or any other ideas you passionately feel - feel free to continue to 'bother people about guns'!

[groundloop]

63. I hear ya' Calimary...... My sister was taken from this earth by a gun.

This country is just so damned gun crazy it's fucking nuts. It's just WAY too easy for people to get guns who should never be close to one. Fuck the second amendment, it's nothing but a handful of words written in a bygone time which have become outdated based on the capabilities of modern weaponry.

[calimary]

104. Yep. We're not talking muskets anymore.

[SYFROYH]

15. I don't go there much anymore, but its a good place for discussion.

[ShazzieB]

52. I stumbled in there once when I was just exploring.

I might have gone back once or twice, but it didn't take me any more than that to figure out it wasn't a place where I wanted to hang out.

[Scottie Mom]

17. Agree and kick. EOM

[Skittles]

18. gun humpers make me sick

fucking cowards

[WhiskeyGrinder]

19. I disagree.

[Javaman]

57. Why? Please elaborate. nt

[demmiblue]

74. FTG, AGAB

[Scrivener7]

20. Kick. Good idea.

[Kingofalldems]

21. And some come to GD and cleverly post gun porn.

Kick and rec.

[Scrivener7]

23. Sociopaths. As evidenced by their response at every gun massacre.

[Kingofalldems]

24. Scotland:

Link to tweet

[Rhiannon12866]

26. And there's also New Zealand.

And New Zealand Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, is Stephen Colbert's guest tonight.

[IronLionZion]

76. Soon after that their freedoms were crushed by government tyranny

right?

[barbtries]

27. agree with you.

i hope they will.

[mahina]

28. Word

About time. Past time.

[alittlelark]

29. They need to go.

[ShazzieB]

30. I am SO glad this O.P. isn't locked!

I made a post once saying that I thought a certain word (a misogynistic slur) should be banned, and got in trouble for trying to "interfere with forum moderation." (If you click on "alert abuse" at the bottom of any post, you'll see a list of infractions to choose from; "Don't interfere with forum moderation" appears under content. Someone alerted on my post as breaking that rule and a jury evidently agreed.)

I had never noticed the rule before, and wouldn't have thought merely suggesting a rule change would qualify as "interference" anyway. Being the sort of person who prefers to avoid violating rules if at all possible, I was both shocked and mortified at the time, and have done my best to "behave" ever since.

If EarlG sees this, I really hope he'll let it stand, because I think the issue you've raised here is very, very important. I am complete agreement with eliminating the Gungeon. I don't think we need a place here where people can post in opposition to gun control any more than we need a forum where people can post trans- or homophobic garbage or racist screeds or argue that women need to stay barefoot and pregnant and obey their lords and masters. None of those things belong here because they are contrary to what it means to be a Democrat, and opposing gun control is in the same category, afaic.

Let the closing of the Gungeon happen, and let it be the beginning of a new era here at DU!

[AndyS]

31. Everyone has a right to free speech, regardless of how hateful, but

the providers of platforms don't have a duty to provide that platform for that speech.

I'm not personally in favor of shutting down the gun rights discussion.

In fact I want the rest of DU to see the point of view espoused by the gun rights side. As Obama said, "Please proceed . . . "

I recommend that all DUers visit the RKBA group and browse the archives if only for a day or two. It's a kinda' know the mentality you're dealing with thing.

[Skittles]

68. it's like hearing the point of veiw espoused by repukes

SICKENING

[Scrivener7]

81. We see the regular massacres of children. We know very well the mentality we're dealing with.

You and I usually agree on anything gun related, but I'm all for shutting them down. If we want to see their mouth dribbles, we can link somewhere else.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

148. Respect

[NewHendoLib]

32. that gets a big YES from me. Please!

[YorkRd]

33. Please shut the "gungeon" down!

Reasonable gun control options with gun enthusiasts and the crazy right wingers have gone nowhere for decades. Maybe it’s time to treat them just like the gun lobby’s buddy Putin and cut them off from civilization.

[pazzyanne]

34. K&R

I'm tired of spending a part of every day crying over those needlessly shot, and feeling helpless to stop the on-going slaughter. When will we say enough is enough and put some teeth into stopping this!

[IronLionZion]

35. They would then bring their gun discussions here

where it would be harder to avoid

[Throck]

53. Years ago the gungeon was formed to keep them out of the general postings

Start deleting all pro gun post. None in the forum what so ever. Adios, gone, get out of here.

[IronLionZion]

56. Does Discussionist still exist? They can post their craziness there instead

[ShazzieB]

65. I don't think so.

Never heard of it till now, can't find it anywhere.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

70. No. Skinner took it down a little bit after the George Floyd protests

The MAGAts had taken over the site completely and were being severely racist during the protests.

[maxsolomon]

36. Surprised this post hasn't been alerted on

for "Bigotry/Insensitivity".

Lord knows that's going on daily on DU.

[USALiberal]

37. You wouldn't know if it did happen, nt

[maxsolomon]

59. I'd know when it was locked.

I know when my posts get deleted for "Bigotry/Insensitivity".

[wryter2000]

106. Not all alerted posts get locked or taken down

I've seen some really disgusting posts allowed to stand

[ShazzieB]

122. Correct. It just depends on the jury.

And the makeup of the jury on any particular post is pretty much of a crapshoot, as far as I can tell.

[mopinko]

38. i agree, but something you can do now-

go in there and put every one of those idiots on ignore. if no one is listening, maybe they stop talking. or at least stop talking here.
if there are paid trolls here, that's a good place to look for them.

[Captain Zero]

39. I vote for closing it down too. So do the dead kids.

In absentia.

[TomSlick]

40. The Gungeon has its function.

Every family has its crazy uncle in the attic. Our crazy uncles are the gun lovers. Their attic is the Gungeon. As long as they stay in their attic, the rest of us can ignore them. (There's a reason it's called the Gungeon.)

The rest of us need never look at a post in the Gungeon. If there was no Gungeon, they would be posting in GD. The MIRT and juries have plenty to do with spammers and RW trolls without parsing the phrasing of our gun nuts.

The Gungeon serves a purpose. It ain't pretty but it serves a purpose.

[BWdem4life]

41. Let them post in GD then

And deal with the consequences of their posts

[TomSlick]

44. I would prefer they not post in GD.

The rest of us need to have some confidence that we can safely open GD posts.

I wish we didn't need an attic but we have crazy uncles and need a place to keep them confined. Without the Gungeon, the juries and MIRT will never be able to cope.

If the rest of us don't have to see them, it's almost like they aren't really there.

[BWdem4life]

46. You don't solve problems by ignoring them. nt

[TomSlick]

49. True, but you can limit the damage by walling off the crazies.

[live love laugh]

91. Crazy concentrated is worse. nt

[Scrivener7]

80. You don't solve the problem by having them post their shit on DU either. Their having or

not having a forum here has nothing to do with solving the problem. It's not as if they're offering any solutions.

[BWdem4life]

112. Oh, I don't want them posting their shit on DU.

My point was, by no longer giving them a special place on DU to post their shit so it can be ignored by most of DU, force them to come out of the shadows so they can be confronted head on. Hopefully the the jury system will take care of the things from that point on, and worst of them will get banned. Hey, which came first? The Gungeon or the jury system? Hmmmm maybe someone else knows...

[Scrivener7]

79. That crazy uncle? In my family, when he enables repeated massacres of children, he

needs to find another place to live.

[Raine]

42. Disagree nt

[USALiberal]

73. Lol

[canetoad]

43. Kick

I'd love to see a few hundred more recs. That would send a message.

[ShazzieB]

123. I don't know how many recs it was up to when you posted this.

But it's almost 200 right now!

Keep 'em coming, folks!

[canetoad]

126. Hey Shazzie

It was around 60 when I posted!

[ShazzieB]

146. Hey yourself!

Nice uptick. It's 209 now, hope it keeps up!

[Diablo del sol]

45. Think of it as the Anus of DU

Where all the shit goes to be purged.

[Crunchy Frog]

47. I agree. There's lots of other places online for gun nuts to hang out.

There are people who join just for that forum, and many of them are RWers who only post elsewhere to troll after this kind of tragedy.

[Hotler]

48. Leave it. nt

[Zeitghost]

50. This forum supports Democrats and the Democratic Party and it's Platform

That platform states "Democrats believe that we can reduce gun violence while respecting the rights of responsible gun owners.".

[lastlib]

51. That statement doesn't mean that we have to give them a forum.

There are plenty of other venues for them.

[YorkRd]

64. Yes!

[Polybius]

144. If you don't like it don't go there

Canceling it isn't the answer.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

159. Here's a very simple solution,

if you don't want to see it, then don't click on the forum.
Easy peasy.

[Scrivener7]

78. What's your point? The platform doesn't say we have to have a bunch of cockroaches

who crawl out of the woodwork after every massacre to spout NRA talking points and ridicule calls for gun control.

[Zeitghost]

97. My point

Is banning discussion on a platform item supported by the party goes against what I understand to be the core principle of this forum, supporting the Democratic party.

[Scrivener7]

98. So who is banning discussion on a platform item? Link me to one post from the gungeon that

discusses "reducing gun violence."

[Zeitghost]

100. There are plenty here

Calling for essentially banning any discussion that supports the legal ownership of firearms, a platform policy of the Democratic Party. And we both know that most if not all here that support that platform also support policies aimed to reduce gun violence in this country.

[Scrivener7]

101. So you can't. Got it.

[Zeitghost]

107. We both know that's a cop out

Some of us are here to support the party and its policies in their entirety, maybe those who aren't should look elsewhere for discussion they agree with,.

[Scrivener7]

108. LOL! Project much? Yes. Some of us are here to support the party and its policies. Others

are here to support guns at ALL costs.

And never the twain shall meet.

[ShazzieB]

124. Speak for yourself.

"We both know that's a copout" = the biggest copout ever!

[Throck]

55. Pro gun people are defacto baby murderers.

[Fla_Democrat]

58. Looking forward to their response.

[Fla_Democrat]

72. The admins?

They may just be busy, not sure that cowardice is the reason they don't respond.

[Orrex]

60. In my entire time on DU, no gun zealot has offered meaningful steps toward reducing gun violence

Invariably there's some hand-waving about "increased access to mental healthcare" or "universal background checks," but nothing substantive and certainly nothing strong enough to have any impact.

It is clear, from the many discussions I've had here on the subject over the years, that the gun zealots' first and only real concern is that nobody better try to take their precious, precious guns.

Literally all other considerations are incidental compared to the imagined sanctity of their beloved 2nd Amendment.


Expect nothing useful from them this time around.

[Scrivener7]

77. I think half of them are paid trolls. Because they only ever show up to push NRA bullshit

after a massacre.

And no actual human could be so sick as to do that over and over and over.

[Kaleva]

131. I've advocated the restricting of detachable gun magazines to 5 rounds

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"A gun that holds just a few rounds is adequate then.

The odds that a gun owner will someday have to kill in self defense is incredibly slim."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=197217

I've warned of the dangers of bump stocks years before the Las Vegas mass shooting.

"Bump firing a modern semi-auto w/high capacity magazines
In this video, one watches a man explain how to bump fire using his RRA LAR-15 9mm with a 30 round magazine:

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82431826/

I've seen comments in GD about how easy it is to convert a semi-auto such as the AR-15 and any semi-auto knockoff of the AK-47 to full auto. I don't believe that's commonly being done here in the US. For one reason, a person can get a very lengthy prison sentence just for having in one's possession an illegal auto.

On the other hand, the bump fire technique coupled with the easy availability of high capacity magazines gives a person essentially a select fire auto.

Now here's a video showing a slide stock that can be fitted to many semi-auto AK-47s and AK-74s. With high capacity magazines, you got yourself a (legal in most states) machine gun."

I've proposed a way on how to determine if a gun is an assault rifle.

"One is often asked to define "assault weapon". Here's my definition.
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Any semi-automatic weapon that fires a rimless, semi-rimmed, or rebated rim centerfire cartridge that has a bullet of less then 6.5mm in diameter or a metal based case length of less then 50.8mm or caseless ammunition of any dimension or any rimless, semi-rimmedd or rebated Polymer-cased centerfire cartridge of any dimension.

The appearance of the gun has nothing to do with the above definition. The gun could look like a hunting rifle or it could look like something out of a Hollywood war movie. The gun could have a bayonet lug, grenade launcher, flash suppressor, pistol grip or folding stock and it might not be an assault weapon as defined by above. Or it could. It all depends on the action of the gun and the cartridge it fires.

Such a definition keeps things simple. All one has to do is first determine if the gun is a semi-automatic, see if the cartridge it is loaded with is a centerfire round and then measure the cartridge. No fuss. No muss.

If one has an issue with including semi-automatic handguns in the above, then one could refine it further by saying an assault weapon is a semi-automatic firearm that has a barrel length of 16" or longer and fires a rimless, semi-rimmed, or rebated rim centerfire cartridge that has a bullet of less then 6.5mm in diameter or a case length of less then 50.8mm.

A semi-automatic, or self-loading, firearm is a weapon that performs all steps necessary to prepare the weapon to fire again after firing—assuming cartridges remain in the weapon's feed device or magazine.

A centerfire cartridge is a cartridge with a primer located in the center of the cartridge case head.

"The rimmed cartridge is the oldest of the types and has a rim that is significantly larger in diameter than the base of the cartridge. "

"On a rimless case, the rim is the same diameter as the base of the case; it is known as an extractor groove."

"On a semi-rimmed case the rim projects slightly beyond the base of the case, though not as much as a rimmed cartridge."

"Rebated rim cartridges have a rim that is significantly smaller in diameter than the base of the case, serving only for extraction."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rim_%28firearms%29

Rimmed cartridges do not have an extractor groove.

According to the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI), a cartridge is "a single round of ammunition consisting of the case, primer and propellant with or without one or more projectiles." Only the projectile portion is the bullet.

The case length of a 7.62x39mm cartridge is about 38.7mm



Polymer-cased ammunition (or PCA) is the concept applied to define the alternative to use polymer-based casings instead of metal-based (brass, aluminium or steel mainly) in the manufacturing of ammunition.

Caseless ammunition is a type of small arms ammunition that eliminates the cartridge case that typically holds the primer, propellant, and projectile together as a unit."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/117297510

I've expressed my personal view on owning an AR15 style rifle:

"Don't have a use for an AR-15 or any semi-automatic

Hoyt asked me in GD if I had an AR-15 or something similar and I said I didn't. Have a couple of revolvers and my next purchase will be a single shot break action 20 gauge shotgun. A gun that will do for me what the revolvers can't. Hunting, varmint control and a backup home defense gun my wife can use while I have the revolvers. It's simple to operate and thus train on and is very reliable as it has few moving parts."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=206319

[Orrex]

141. It's amazing that developed nations don't have this problem

Yet here, in the vaunted Land Of The Free™ every sensible proposal is completely blocked by the twin mantras of "it'll never pass" and "but the 2nd amendment!"

Here is an answer: any gun that fires or can be made to fire more than one round in 10 seconds shall be banned, and its possession is a felony punishable by 20 years in prison--per gun--with no possibility of parole. Some asshole will say "I can fire a bow and arrow faster than that" and IDGAF. Someone give me statistics on the number of mass shootings committed with bows and arrows, and we can address that weapon in turn.

Here's another: the price of guns shall be federally standardized and means-tested. For a person of median income, a pistol shall cost $100,000, while a rifle shall cost $250,000. For someone of 10X median income, a pistol is $1M and a rifle $2M. Any attempt to to defraud or circumvent this process shall be punishable by seizure of 100% of assets and 20 years in prison with no possibility of parole.

Here's another: "arms" shall refer to weapons and technology extant at the time of the drafting of the second amendment. All weapons designed or built after that date shall not be considered "arms" and are fully subject to restriction.

Here's another; the NRA must obviously be recognized as a terrorist organization and its assets seized; anyone still holding membership after the date of recognition is by definition a terrorist and must be treated as such. Any reorganization of the NRA into subsequent but substantially identical entities shall likewise be recognized as terrorist organizations.

Here's another: all guns must be registered in a publicly accessible database. Possession of a gun outside of that database shall likewise be punishable by 20 years in prison. Concerns about privacy? Fuck them. I have multiple licenses all publicly accessible, and none of them involve machines designed to enable me to quickly murder 21 people.

Here's another: universal background checks must be permanently archived in a readily accessible public database rather than in a deliberately archaic paper filing system specifically intended to hobble the process of review.

Here's another: failure of a background check shall be recognized as a deliberate attempt to obtain a firearm illegally and shall be punishable to 20 years in prison with no possibility of parole.

Here's another: any crime committed while in possession of a firearm, even as minor as jaywalking or breaking the speed limit, shall be considered a premeditated gun crime punishable as such.

Here's another: if the theft of a firearm is not immediatley reported, then the owner of that firearm is an accessory to any crimes committed with that firearm. If the owner is not capable of immediately recognizing the theft, then the owner can hardly be called a "responsible" gun owner.

There are many, many, many answers, and frankly IDGAF about imaginary complaints about privacy and hyperbolic fantasies about people coming to steal someone's precious guns! guns! guns!


To those gun zealots about to clutch their beloved guns and howl that these proposals will never pass or whatever other bullshit smokescreens they use, I simply don't give a fuck. Gun zealots have controlled the entirety of the discussion at every level for at least a century, and they have deliberately fucked it up entirely and in every possible way. They have nothing to say on the subject and no longer deserve a seat at the table.


And if any gun zealots reply to this, they can hold their collective breath for decades waiting for my response. I no longer see value in engaging with those who explicitly value their guns and their imaginary sacrosanct "gun rights" more than they value human life.

[DashOneBravo]

142. Question

Is this part going to apply to every adult?

“Here is an answer: any gun that fires or can be made to fire more than one round in 10 seconds shall be banned, and its possession is a felony punishable by 20 years in prison--per gun--with no possibility of parole.”

[Lithos]

62. Nominally I disagree

However, I do think some changes are sorely needed in how they are discussed. The Gungeon and RKBA lack a North Star for discussions - the same type of expectation people need to have for any of the Civil Rights forums. There needs to be an expectation of a general belief and an expectation of how you conduct yourself in a debate.

TBH, I'm very, very tired of debates where people will quibble over semantic points in a way which seem very disingenuous and seem to be conducted to avoid any real discussion about guns and their specific impact on American culture. Sorry - you do not need to pass a trivia quiz on the Shooters Bible to have an opinion. Anyone whose behavior insists on this are not open to any real discussions and should leave.

Supporting RBKA you should be leading the charge with ideas to address the very obvious problems, not in shutting down debate.

Look, there are guns which are real tools needed by people, but guns like the AR-15 are not on that list. There are proper collectors, but these people also tend to take the time and effort to handle guns in a responsible manner. They are some of the safest and most responsible people I know around guns. Guns, no matter their type, require training on proper use - something which is increasingly being forgotten. But having a hoard does not make you a real collector - just a person with an addiction. There is an addiction to guns in the United States - and a very unhealthy addiction at that.

The sentiment in this country is not to creation a Prohibition Era in this country - but at least curb the availability with some reasonable controls. What is it - something like 80% of *ALL* US citizens favor background checks and a waiting period?


/soapbox

[Polybius]

66. Let's not cancel it

It's better that you know who they are so you can block them.

[PunkinPi]

71. K&R - nt

[DLevine]

75. K&R

[HAB911]

84. kick

[Paladin]

86. Way past time for the RKBA group to be closed down, even in its calmer current status.

DU Gun Enthusiasts: Find some other pro-RKBA sites and try to get the participants to vote Democratic for a change.

[Demsrule86]

87. I know nothing about this DU subscription. But I know this. The only way out of this mess

is to elect more Democrats. It is going to take years with the courts firmly in the hands of the right. And if we don't start supporting Biden, it will never happen...all the sites in the world will be shut down and it won't matter. This is another issue where we can't do anything because we don't have the power. When I said that 16 was the worst thing to happen to us ever...I was right. Now we either do the hard work to come back or we don't. I hope we do.

[867-5309.]

88. Do we have forums to accommodate opposition to marriage equality? Opposing right to choose?

Fuck anyone espousing this as strictly a mental health issue or opposing common sense reforms. There are some issues the tent shouldn't extend to. The stench is too bad.

[MuseRider]

96. Exactly.

The day we have those other forums you mentioned is the day most of DU flees from here. It won't happen, of course, but here as well as everywhere else there seems to be little courage to throw the humpers out.

[bigtree]

89. thank you

[Hieronymus Phact]

99. I disagree

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I've never visited this "Gungeon" i'm a gun owner but i just don't need to chat about it online, But the basics are this: Most people don't want all the guns outlawed. They just don't. Stricter laws sure, most are for that, I personally advocate that, but a total ban ...not popular. Sorry that's the reality. I see this among blue collar union members, white collar professionals, across racial lines, Black, Asian, Hispanic. it's simply not the majority opinion.
That was Point 1.

Point 2 is this:
The more radical the GOP gets, the more disaffected people will turn up in those forums. You NEED them to win elections. Period. If they're allies on abortion, election integrity, any integrity, diplomacy, religious nut jobs etc. Why would you toss them out in desperate times like these?
They're less than 100% pure allies? I didn't realize we were in such a comfortable position to reject people over a single disagreeable stance, not my style.

I think allowing them a home here is important, did they break forum rules? Apparently not. Is there a purity test here? I hope not. This is what a "big tent" looks like. No one can have a governing majority in this country without people you disagree with, and if Democrats are to ever maintain a majority to keep the lunatics at bay, It will never happen without them.

Reading through the comments apparently many of these people are just provocative trolling assholes so i don't have any sympathy for that. Gloating over these tragedies is sickening. Am i wrong in thinking standard forum rules should handle that type of behavior regardless of the issue?

[greenjar_01]

102. 100% YES...Dreading the triumphant gunner posts about gun sales going up

Get that trash off this board.

[SoonerPride]

103. +19

[wryter2000]

105. Amen

The only possible use for the thing is to keep their stupid posts out of other places on DU.

[slightlv]

109. I've got a gun humper in my family.

He knows when he's in my home, his guns aren't welcome. He leaves the guns at HIS house, and gun talk is not welcome, either. Therefore, he either stays away, or he keeps his mouth shut if I'm hosting our mother and he wants to see her. Works out well for everyone. I stand my ground in my own way. No gun talk. No guns. Everyone knows it. Everyone abides by it. I demand it. Everyone is safer for it.

I throw in with everyone who says no gun forum. I consider DU to be my "home away from home." I'd like to feel as safe here as I do in my own home. Lord knows, I've said things in this forum, especially since the RvW memo, that has gotten off-the-rails-passionate. I want to feel safe to say those things. With the gun humpers here, That modicum of safety is cut. Granted, they can't shoot me thru the tubes. But still... haven't we sacrificed enough for them? Do we really have to sacrifice our forums to them, too?

[denbot]

110. Bullshit, don't know if I've ever posted there but it should not be dropped.

No one there posts anything even remotely illegal or hostile. There are a lot of hunters here, I have a home defense shotgun. This does not make me a threat, or amoral. The Gundeon should stay

[USALiberal]

138. Nope! nt

[SunSeeker]

113. K & R

[honest.abe]

114. What does "RKBA" stand for?

[Hieronymus Phact]

118. It's an acronym for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms -nt

[honest.abe]

120. Ah got it! I should have figured that out!

Thanks

[YoshidaYui]

115. Bravo

[lillypaddle]

116. Preach!

K&R

[JohnnyRingo]

117. Democrats own guns too, and it's in the site name.

It's not "Liberal Underground", or "Progressives Underground", it's Democratic Underground.

I'm sure there are those who want the Automobile Group to be taken down because cars pollute, but many here are interested in them. "Motorcycles and Scooters", what are we, Hells Angels? Take it down!

No, give solid blue hunters and enthusiasts a place to exchange thoughts. This isn't Stormfront. No one is threatening anyone.

Joe Biden carried a concealed Beretta for years when he rode the train.

[gibraltar72]

121. I'm inclined to agree with you.

I parted with NRA when they advocated cop killer bullets. That was a long time ago. I was taught by my grandfather to appreciate guns as tools not as idols. I loved guns for their art and was a competitive shooter. The right has been abused to the max. It just doesn't comport with todays reality.

[milestogo]

125. Yes, please.

[llmart]

127. K&R for the evening

So what say you, Admins? Shall we take a vote? We are a Democratic forum, so maybe the Admins can allow us to vote on whether to deep six the gungeon from DU. Sort of like we vote on photographs. Give us three days and then voting closes.

[DashOneBravo]

128. But.it's.called

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Democratic Underground.

I saw a post once from one of the people who started it. It said they wanted a place for Democrats and liberals/progressive, who were nice people to work together.

[KG]

129. why is this an open thread after 10 years

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=9858

[demmiblue]

157. Jesus, that's unhinged.

Someone has issues.

I see NYC_SKP in that tread. Wasn't he the one that posted gun porn right after Sandy Hook and subsequently got booted? I always thought that dude was an asshole long before that incident.

[PatrickforB]

130. I didn't even know such a room existed.

I'm good with that. I'd be better if our Congress would DO ITS JOB (hear that Senate???), and pass universal background checks and another assault weapon ban.

My wife was yelling at her phone when she streamed the evil snake Abbott's 'news conference' - the one where they kicked Beto out (I may send him money because of that). These people are fucking weasels. Time to act. Time to protect kids.

[BumRushDaShow]

134. There are 2 Groups

RKBA and Gun Control Reform Activism which are sort of "opposite sides" of the topic, although I tend to lump them both in as "The Gungeon".

I don't actually see them "going away" though. I hate to say but there needs to be a way to keep the gun porn out of GD and trap it somewhere out of the way, because the subjects will inevitably keep bubbling up and for the big forum hosts to have to play wack-a-mole all day is exhausting just imagining it. And I say this as a daughter of a WW2 vet and granddaughter of a WW1 vet, both of whom also did sport hunting and fishing (and as a kid, I grew up with "Field and Stream" magazine in the house and still have my dad's bamboo fly fishing pole, sans reel though).

[PatrickforB]

136. Ah, this 'gun porn' concept reminds me of when I was in grad school

in the way-back-when. I did a year in an MBA program and then transferred to Counseling Psychology and Counselor Education because all I wanted to be was a career counselor - figured understanding biz better would help me in the counseling in the long run. I stayed in that MBA program until I couldn't stomach the values any more - when they began referring to workers as 'units' of labor in Managerial Economics, I'd had enough. We aren't UNITS, you know?

Anyway, I sat in a few classes with this guy from Phillip Morris. Talk about teflon - he had been well schooled. NOTHING anyone said or did made any difference - he was always ON point. I guess we could call what he spouted 'smoker porn.' Same thing, I think.

Nice to hear from you!

[BumRushDaShow]

140. Ha!

I suppose that can apply to all sorts of subjects like for those who get into the lingo about the functionality and power of different car engines. But I would suppose the difference is that a car engine's main purpose is to generate motion in that vehicle for transport versus a gun which is used as a weapon.

Good to see you too!

[Kaleva]

132. The rules prohibit the discussion in GD of how dangerous guns are

Unless there's a mass shooting or a death of or the involvement in the death by gun of a notable person

From the GD SOP:

"Discuss politics, issues, and current events. Posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports are restricted in this forum. For more information, click here."

[ShazzieB]

149. I forgot all about that rule.

Also, I never clicked on the "more information" link until now. Thanks for calling my attention to it.

[Kaleva]

135. I'm fine with the idea of talking about guns here in GD. It may piss off others.

I think a single shot shotgun is quite adequate as a back up gun in a home defense situation but others may disagree. It could be an interesting thread here in GD.

[ThoughtCriminal]

137. The time has come

It came YEARS ago. Fuck them.

[Kaleva]

139. We could then have discussions like the below here in GD if the Gungeon is shut down.

"Bought a handgun shortly after the election
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I bought it for 3 reasons which I'll list below in order of importance:

1) I occasionally enjoy target shooting

2) The meth heads and prescription pill addicts are getting bolder and bolder around here where I live.

3) I think there's a chance, a very slim one, that this country might to to hell in a hand basket with Trump in the WH.

Edit: Reason #1, despite being primary, was never enough, in of itself, justification for me to purchase a handgun. Even when combined with reason #2, it still wasn't enough but adding reason #3 put it over the top.

Not having much money, being on SSDI and getting a small veteran's comp payment, I purchased a Rock Island Armory Model 200 38 special revolver for $243.00 and so far I'm very happy with it.

I'm saving up for a small handgun safe and until I get on, the live ammo is not in the house and only I know where it is. Once in a while, I go to an open area outside of town where people sight in their guns and I fire a dozen rounds or so at a target. At least 3 times a week and sometimes more, I do dry fire and reload drills, using snaps and speed loader strips, down in my basement for about 20 minutes. About half the time I dry fire, I do DA and the other half, I dry fire SA. My movements are much, much smoother compared to when I first started doing the exercises.

I plan on taking a CPL class at the end of April. Not so much so I can conceal carry but it will make transporting a handgun in a vehicle or have it on my person when riding my scooter much less of a potential hassle and I also want to take the class for the training."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172202674

[Celerity]

143. kick

[Ellipsis]

145. Nah...

I hear ya. I can't agree and I'm not looking for a fight.

I'm not a gun guy. I was raised from the age of 12 on how to hunt and to respect guns as just another tool. I have friends that only eat venison. You shoot it you eat it. etc. I don't go to the "gungeon". I don't own guns.

But...

It's part of our culture.

Through the years I have learned much from DU folks about gun "stuff."

Finally, dialogue allows for change.

[ecstatic]

147. I don't agree. When shit hits the fan we're going to need our armed allies

in fairness, I don't know what is being said in the gungeon, but I assume it's where Democrats talk about guns. Rethugs are arming themselves to the teeth and many of them are completely radicalized at this point. I don't feel comfortable around guns, but I know other Democrats who do and they will be the people I call in the event of an extended blackout or the so-called civil war 2 that rethugs are drooling for.

[Hekate]

152. I've changed my mind about that. This week GD is overrun with gunsplainers & they need to GTFO...

… back to their hidey-hole.

Possibly Admin is allowing them out just now because of the relevance to the news, and I can respect that even if I don’t like it. But ultimately — back to the Gungeon where they can continue to display their manly superior knowledge of the machinery of death among their fellows.

Which is to say: DU probably does need a group like that so the rest of us don’t have to deal with them. Purely pragmatic on my part.

[SYFROYH]

156. This is why it was created in the first place