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Fri May 27, 2022, 02:39 PM

 

Is it me having too much hope - Uvalde seems to be a bit different

Only watching MSNBC so not sure if CNN is taking the same tact, but there is much more focus on interviewing family. Displaying the toll on the survivors. Some very sad, some pissed, all understandable and I think it will make it harder for some of the B.S. the ignorant gun humpers and politicians try to peddle.

Sandy Hook had the great group of kids and parents and after awhile it became easier for the asshole politicians and Fox to belittle the survivors. Just getting the feeling now that someone is going to try that and get punched in the face on live TV.

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Reply Is it me having too much hope - Uvalde seems to be a bit different (Original post)
Diablo del sol May 2022 OP
RandySF May 2022 #1
doc03 May 2022 #2
Tommy Carcetti May 2022 #3
Claustrum May 2022 #14
Cosmocat May 2022 #4
DetroitLegalBeagle May 2022 #5
Nevilledog May 2022 #6
Mme. Defarge May 2022 #7
Demovictory9 May 2022 #8
brush May 2022 #9
Vinca May 2022 #10
WhiskeyGrinder May 2022 #11
PTWB May 2022 #12
USALiberal May 2022 #13
chowder66 May 2022 #15
haele May 2022 #16
crickets May 2022 #22
hibbing May 2022 #17
Goodheart May 2022 #18
Takket May 2022 #19
stevil May 2022 #20
Nay May 2022 #24
RustyWheels May 2022 #21
DUgosh May 2022 #23
7wo7rees May 2022 #25

Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 02:42 PM

1. We thought the same about Sandy Hook.

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 02:43 PM

2. They may pass some minor meaningless

law, that is about it.

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 02:44 PM

3. Sandy Hook felt different. Parkland felt different.

And in the end, sadly it all ended the same.

With nothing.

I hate having to be cynical.

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Response to Tommy Carcetti (Reply #3)

Fri May 27, 2022, 03:07 PM

14. At this point, I think nothing will change until they are hurt at the polls for their gun stance.

So I don't think anything will change immediately. It will take at least a few years for them to shift their stance on gun (if there is any changes at all).

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 02:45 PM

4. They will arrogantly ride this out

Wait till it cools off a bit until they get back into their flow of blaming the next thing that comes along like the baby food shortage and blame it on the evil liberal boogyman.

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 02:48 PM

5. I don't expect anything to change

The cops screw up will overshadow the gun issue. If anything, the takeaway from this is going to be "see, even the cops can't protect you. That's why everyone needs to be armed."
Already seeing that being pushed on social media I am on.

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 02:50 PM

6. From Parkland survivor

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 02:50 PM

7. Said the same thing last night.

This one feels different to me.

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 02:52 PM

8. Too too much hope. In a few weeks, will move on

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 02:52 PM

9. It's unbelievable how poorly the police performed.

I remember during the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in 2018 that one school security officer was found to have hidden out instead of engaging with the other officers to confront the killer.

At Uvalde scores of cops delayed and hesitated and did nothing but wait for the Border Patrol SWAT team to arrive. 14 stood in the hallway outside the killing room, and the rest did crown control outside.

The videos show armed officers going back and forth keeping the grieving parents back, countless police vehicles arriving...nobody taking on the killer though.

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 02:53 PM

10. Sorry to say, it's you having too much hope. This will end up as rinse and repeat. Horrible

shooting happens, media does 24/7 coverage, politicians blather and nothing gets done. A few weeks go by and it's off the news because we have a brand new shooting to talk about. Over and over and over and over and over. If Republicans manage to get Congress, it'll probably get a whole lot worse. At this point a maniac could shoot up a preemie ward and nothing would happen to stop the number of guns in this country.

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 02:55 PM

11. Only if you have a goal and push toward it. Just feeling a feeling and not acting on it doesn't do

much.

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 02:55 PM

12. We can only hope.

 

The cynic in me says that the narrative here is going to shift to police misconduct and reform, and away from common sense gun control, and we will probably get neither.

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 02:56 PM

13. wait 3 weeks nt

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 03:10 PM

15. I think the difference is in the failure of the preventative measures which have been shown to not

work. Especially in a state of gun loving sycophants who think every thing is solved with more guns. Obviously that is not the case.

I think that is what is fueling the momentum but I don't know if anything will change. As another poster said, maybe a small change will be made.

It won't be enough.

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 03:11 PM

16. It's different because of all the police standing around.

Sandy Hook - the police responded as soon as they could.
Parkland - could be blamed on a cowardly rent-a-cop and the size of the complex.
Uvalde - we saw the police just stand around for an hour while a single asshole kid held a bunch of wounded kids and teachers (one teacher died at the hospital, one on the scene) hostage because "they didn't want to get shot".
Which in 2005, the Supreme Court said the police could do - unlike the Military, Police don't have a duty to go into what they think might be harms way to protect other people's lives. .

This is the first time the average (White) American is faced with the realization that the Social Contract is totally broken.
The Police no longer have to "Protect and Serve".
There were no checks or roadblocks to an emotionally stunted young man's ability to just gun down a group of anyone's children with a recently purchased knock-off military grade weapon because of corrupt governance, lobby money and pandering to a long-coddled loud and rabid minority base that looks like most of the people with money and power.

Yes, I'm going to speak the unspoken here. There's a lot of causations, but the three primary causes to this whole situation are
Coddling of the Gun lover's Base by encouraging the proliferation of tools of War unregulated into the general population for profit regardless of any chaos that this creates.
Pulling responsible and responsive Public Safety out of the social Contract.
Crass lack of responsibility and outright lies from supposedly "serious" elected representatives at all levels.

This is a blatant statement from current Conservative and Texas powers that be - "It doesn't matter if you pay Taxes or vote, you're not important enough to care about. You're all on your own."

Haele

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Response to haele (Reply #16)

Fri May 27, 2022, 03:19 PM

22. Yes. The sight of all those cops doing nothing, and barring anyone else from taking action

is definitely not the expected scenario. The rage is always real, but this time it's not just aimed at the shooter. It's also laser focused on those who were expected to act and so blatantly avoided doing so.

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 03:14 PM

17. It will diminish, then another one will take place, rinse and repeat n/t

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 03:14 PM

18. Nope.

People said the same after Sandy Hook.

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 03:15 PM

19. This changes nothing

America already hated these fuckers. But you either need ten rethugs, or Manchin + Sinema to end the filibuster. but it more important to them than piles of slaughtered children. And I mean that literally.

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 03:16 PM

20. This is different

This is the worst case scenario so far. Lots of questions. Children killed while the police stood down in a macho gun state (no offense to Texans implied). None of the prepared taking points are working for the GOP. Families on TV. NRA have a convention this week in the same state. The full court press the Republicans have been in is about to get squashed. Hoping this time for good.

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Response to stevil (Reply #20)

Fri May 27, 2022, 03:41 PM

24. And don't forget -- a MOM who went in and got her kids, and COPS who did the same thing.

No one can blame the mom for just grabbing her 2 kids -- but COPS doing it, in front of God and everybody?? No. No no no. Utter selfishness and cowardice from sworn police officers.

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 03:17 PM

21. Sadly, I think not...

I attended my local Sandy Hook vigil, I marched in Parkland with the kids, and I'll march with them again on 6/11.

That said, there will not be 10 Republicans that will vote on the House Bill as-is. They will speechify and pontificate about any number amendments to water it down, and then it will die.

We must VOTE to hold the House and increase our margin in the Senate, so we can do away with the filibuster for EVERYTHING.

Until then... Just more of the same. Unfortunately.

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 03:33 PM

23. I live nearby

I feel itís different - the community is tight knit. The family traditions and ties are deep. Everyone I know out here is connected with a grieving family one way or another.

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Response to Diablo del sol (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2022, 03:25 AM

25. Ok.. finally I am going to give my worthless 2 cents.

Yes. I think this feels a little different, maybe lots.

I've lived in North Tx since 1969. Top 10 school disrrict in nation.

I've stayed off DU and cable all week. I and 7wo7rees live with and take care of my 86 year old mother. She went off rails this week.

I was on phone with dr's this am and in background, on tv, was press conference with head of DPS. I could see it was contentious, tv on mute. Off phone, roll back, play, and oh DEAR GOD!!!

With Beto against Grego, we stand a chance, barely. IMHO
Texas is one of very few states using worst voting machines. Texas adopted same new laws on voting that Georgia did. They can decide to overturn elections.

It is going to take a massive voter turnout. I'm not sure Texas is going to make it.

And P.S..... no one will ever convince me that Beto did not beat Cruz, ever. The margin was too damned close.

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