A national "Banned from Buying Guns" list

[ecstatic]

At the very least, could rethugs agree to that idea? The Uvalde killer had been threatening to shoot up a school for years! He should have been on a list like that.

[leftieNanner]

1. This would be the Camel's Nose under the tent

They will not consider ANY gun laws, although I think it's a great idea.

It also would have to include a universal background check law, and they won't allow that either. Because unless every single gun sale has to go through a verification process, it would be a meaningless thing.

[LeftInTX]

5. Uvalde shooter passed a background check

And don't let them fool you about mental illness....

A doctor would need to provide information to law enforcement...
This could result in violation of HIPAA laws. (We here this on DU about abortion and HIPAA)

[LeftInTX]

2. His threats were not public

They were private conversations and messages...

No one told the police or anyone in authority.

[ecstatic]

7. I read an article about the social platform he made his threats on

Users repeatedly reported him to administrators of the site. That platform could have obtained his IP address and reported him to authorities if they wanted to. Hell, if the companies don't want to do it then maybe our FBI should install their own undercover agents who can act on these leads independently. I think it's time because a lot of these killers leave a long digital trail of warning after warning.

Hannah, an 18-year-old Yubo user from Ontario, Canada, said she reported (killer) to Yubo in early April after he threatened to shoot up her school and rape and kill her and her mother during one livestream session. Hannah said (killer) was allowed back on the platform after a temporary ban.

https://abc13.com/robb-elementary-texas-school-shooting-uvalde-shooter-yubo-salvador-ramos/11903325/

[DBoon]

13. but then the social media company could be accused of censoring right wing views

I'm partly being sarcastic, but in truth I think many of the complaints from the right wing about "censorship" involv violent and harassing posts.

Because when you have completely lost your humanity, that is what free speech means to you.

[33taw]

3. How would it be created, maintained and accessed?

[former9thward]

9. By the ATF/FBI and it already exists.

If your name is on it you can't buy a gun at a gun store or federal firearms dealer.

[33taw]

18. LEA is an investigative body.

Individuals are entitled to due process.

[Hangingon]

19. Deleted

Should have read farther

[sarisataka]

4. There is one,

The NCIS https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics

However a background check is only as good as the database it uses. If information is not entered the person will not be banned.

[Model35mech]

20. Yes and two of the groups who least violated it were illegal immigrants and mentally disqualified

Interesting study done in the way-back, 10 years after the list was initially created.

The group that MOST violated it is felons, and people with misdemeanors that resulted in more than a year in jail.

One of the biggest problems with the list at that time was that States didn't contribute data as they were supposed to.

The prohibited list is only as good as the data that's in it. And that data hasn't been first rate quality.

[Frasier Balzov]

6. Air pollution stinking up midday on the AM radio band.

[former9thward]

8. It already exists.

And everyone agreed to it. If you want to buy a gun at a gun store you have to submit to a federal background check. If you are on the list you will not be able to buy the gun. The recent school shooter passed the check because he had no convictions and no court ordered mental confinements.

[ecstatic]

12. Okay. I think they need to lower the requirements of being added to the list

Sort of like the do not fly list.

Regular people should be allowed to request that someone be added to the list, but they should be required to sign an affidavit and provide their identity and contact information. The identity information of the alerter should not be shared with the individual who was nominated. If anyone who's on the list attempts to buy a gun, an enhanced background check that includes interviews of family/friends/coworkers would be needed.

And whoever makes the final approval to allow that person to buy a gun should be held responsible if that person kills someone.

[DBoon]

14. his misbehavior didn't show up in part because he was a minor and a high school srtudent

If the minimum firearm purchase age were 21, this would give more time as an adult for this information to be in the database

We are protective of minors for good reason. This should not be an excuse to be victims to every just-turned-18 person with a grudge.

[keithbvadu2]

10. "...but the 2nd Amendment should not apply to everyone." Larry Gatlin

Remember that!

https://democraticunderground.com/100216733571

[DBoon]

15. if Trump hadn't reversed this...

... many of his own supporters would be prohibited from buying firearms.

[Chainfire]

11. Here is a link to the Firearm transfer document that is used in the NICS computer check

for prospective gun buyers. It gives you an idea of what people are prohibited from buying guns.
It is important to remember that about 40% of all firearms transfers are between individuals and, in most cases, do not require the check and are unrecorded by anybody. In fact, private sellers do not have access to the NICS check! They can't check their buyer if they wanted to.

People who can't pass the check from a licensed dealer search out guns from private sells. It certainly is not difficult. It is generally illegal for the buyer, but not the seller. (unless the seller knows that the buyer is prohibited) Few prohibited firearms purchases are ever found out unless the gun is involved in an unrelated incident. It is also important to keep in mind, that in the recent past most if not all of the firearms involved in mass shootings were "legally acquired" and the murderers passed the background check. There are just no simple solutions. The solution to our mass murder problem will have to be addressed by either the SC directly. (not likely) or the Congress. (presently impossible)

https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

[ecstatic]

16. Wow. It looks like (free) registration is the only option.

The Second amendment references a well-regulated militia. Any unregistered gun should be considered illegal.

Do a temporary buyback program but anyone caught with an unregistered gun after that will be charged and imprisoned for at least 30 days.

From there, private gun sales would be illegal and not smart considering that the registration would still be tied to the original owner.

And yes, I know it would take decades for the hundreds of millions of non-registered guns to be discovered. But any so-called "law abiding" gun owners shouldn't have an issue registering their guns.

[HAB911]

17. A "No Buy List"