Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

bigtree

(85,975 posts)
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 11:49 AM Jun 2022

If you believe the Jan. 6 committee, you have to accept that DOJ is on the same track

...to prosecuting Trump.

___In the hearing we saw committee chairs, Thompson and Cheney begin to outline their case which links the actions of the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers directly to the Trump White House.

Jan. 6 Panel Is Drawing A Straight Line From Trump To The Proud Boys And Oath Keepers
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jan-6-panel-is-drawing-a-straight-line-from-trump-to-the-proud-boys-and-oath-keepers/ar-AAYjonH

The DOJ has been making that case since the beginning of the year, gradually, in court with several arrests of members of these two groups, many of whom are already said to be cooperating with the Justice Dept. investigators about their role in the conspiracy.

...a week ago:

June 6, 2022
Proud Boys leader and lieutenants charged with seditious conspiracy
The group is the second whose members face the federal rare charge in the Capitol attack

___Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, the former longtime chairman of the extremist group Proud Boys, was indicted on a new federal charge of seditious conspiracy with four top lieutenants on Monday. The charges expand the Justice Department’s allegations of organized plotting to oppose through violence the certification of President Biden’s election victory, culminating in the attack on the Capitol by a mob on Jan. 6, 2021.

A 10-count superseding indictment returned Monday morning charges Tarrio, Pezzola and three other existing defendants — Ethan Nordean of Washington state, Joe Biggs of Florida and Zachary Rehl of Pennsylvania — with “opposing the lawful transfer of presidential power by force,” eventually mustering and coordinating the movements of as many as 300 people around the Capitol that day. The defendants are accused of fomenting and spearheading a riot that stormed the Capitol, eventually forcing the evacuation of Congress as it met to confirm the 2020 election results.

Federal prosecutors previously leveled the historically rare charge of seditious conspiracy for the first time in the Jan. 6 attack against Stewart Rhodes, the founder and leader of the extremist group Oath Keepers, and 10 associates. Since the charges were filed in January, a year after the violence, two of the other defendants, Joshua James of Alabama and Brian Ulrich of Georgia, and one other Oath Keeper member, William Todd Wilson of North Carolina, have pleaded guilty to the charge and are cooperating with the Justice Department.

In April, a Tarrio co-defendant, Charles Donohoe of North Carolina, pleaded guilty to two felony counts including obstructing an official proceeding of Congress. His plea provided insights into the plans and intention of the group to disrupt the electoral vote confirmation. Tarrio and the others pleaded not guilty to a previous indictment that charged them with offenses including conspiring to obstruct Congress or impede police in a civil disorder.

The new charges add two counts, seditious conspiracy, punishable by up to 20 years in prison, and conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging any duties.

read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/06/06/tarrio-proud-boys-seditious-conpiracy/

...from DOJ:

Monday, June 6, 2022
Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach

New Charges in Superseding Indictment

WASHINGTON – A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned a superseding indictment today charging five members of the Proud Boys, including the group’s former national chairman, with seditious conspiracy and other charges for their actions before and during the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Their actions disrupted a joint session of the U.S. Congress convened to ascertain and count the electoral votes related to the presidential election.

The defendants include Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York. All previously were indicted and remain detained. They pleaded not guilty to charges contained in earlier indictments.

The superseding indictment adds two charges to the earlier indictment: one count of seditious conspiracy, and one count of conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging any duties. All defendants now face a total of nine charges, and Pezzola faces an additional robbery charge. The defendants are scheduled to appear for a hearing on June 9, 2022, in the District of Columbia

According to court documents, the Proud Boys describe themselves as members of a “pro-Western fraternal organization for men who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world, aka Western Chauvinists.” Through at least Jan. 6, 2021, Tarrio was the national chairman of the organization. In mid-December of 2020, Tarrio created a special chapter of the Proud Boys known as the “Ministry of Self Defense.” As alleged in the indictment, from in or around December 2020, Tarrio and his co-defendants, all of whom were leaders or members of the Ministry of Self Defense, conspired to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the Electoral College vote, and to oppose by force the authority of the government of the United States. On Jan. 6, 2021, the defendants directed, mobilized, and led members of the crowd onto the Capitol grounds and into the Capitol, leading to dismantling of metal barricades, destruction of property, breaching of the Capitol building, and assaults on law enforcement. During and after the attack, Tarrio and his co-defendants claimed credit for what had happened on social media and in an encrypted chat room.

A sixth defendant, who was earlier charged with the group, pleaded guilty on April 8, 2022. Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, North Carolina, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers.

read more: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-an-0


and, from January:

January 13, 2022
Leader of Oath Keepers and 10 Other Individuals Indicted in Federal Court for Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses related to U.S. Capitol Breach

WASHINGTON – A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned an indictment yesterday, which was unsealed today, charging 11 defendants with seditious conspiracy and other charges for crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, which disrupted a joint session of the U.S. Congress that was in the process of ascertaining and counting the electoral votes related to the presidential election.

According to court documents, Elmer Stewart Rhodes III, 56, of Granbury, Texas, who is the founder and leader of the Oath Keepers; and Edward Vallejo, 63, of Phoenix, Arizona, are being charged for the first time in connection with events leading up to and including Jan. 6. Rhodes was arrested this morning in Little Elm, Texas, and Vallejo was arrested this morning in Phoenix.

In addition to Rhodes and Vallejo, those named in the indictment include nine previously charged defendants: Thomas Caldwell, 67, of Berryville, Virginia; Joseph Hackett, 51, of Sarasota, Florida; Kenneth Harrelson, 41, of Titusville, Florida; Joshua James, 34, of Arab, Alabama; Kelly Meggs, 52, of Dunnellon, Florida; Roberto Minuta, 37, of Prosper, Texas ; David Moerschel, 44, of Punta Gorda, Florida; Brian Ulrich, 44, of Guyton, Georgia, and Jessica Watkins, 39, of Woodstock, Ohio. In addition to the earlier charges filed against them, they now face additional counts for seditious conspiracy and other offenses.

Eight other individuals affiliated with the Oath Keepers, all previously charged in the investigation, remain as defendants in two related cases. All defendants – except Rhodes and Vallejo – previously were charged in a superseding indictment. The superseding indictment has now effectively been split into three parts: the 11-defendant seditious conspiracy case, a seven-defendant original case, and a third case against one of the previously charged defendants.

In one of the related cases, the original superseding indictment, charges remain pending against James Beeks, 49, of Orlando, Florida; Donovan Crowl, 51, of Cable, Ohio; William Isaacs, 22, of Kissimmee, Florida; Connie Meggs, 60, of Dunnellon, Florida; Sandra Parker, 63, of Morrow, Ohio; Bernie Parker, 71, of Morrow, Ohio, and Laura Steele, 53, of Thomasville, North Carolina. The other case charges Jonathan Walden, 57, of Birmingham, Alabama.

The three indictments collectively charge all 19 defendants with corruptly obstructing an official proceeding. Eighteen of the 19 defendants – the exception is Walden – are charged with conspiring to obstruct an official proceeding and conspiring to prevent an officer of the United States from discharging a duty. Eleven of the 19 defendants are charged with seditious conspiracy. Some of the defendants are also facing other related charges.

read more: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy


related:

Marcy Wheeler: The January 6 Militia Witnesses Are Cooperating with DOJ, Probably Not the January 6 Committee
https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/06/11/the-january-6-militia-witnesses-are-cooperating-with-doj-probably-not-the-committee/

"The import of Trump's December 19 tweet was clear even in real time..."
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216791329

16 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
If you believe the Jan. 6 committee, you have to accept that DOJ is on the same track (Original Post) bigtree Jun 2022 OP
Judgement day is coming! Trump will face the music. Emile Jun 2022 #1
But this time, he won't be dancing like a constipated marionette... Blue Owl Jun 2022 #2
he may have some opportunity for dancing in prison bigtree Jun 2022 #3
I don't think I'd care to try out for the role of Julius Caesar. Harker Jun 2022 #4
I thought he had a ichy butt ? towerbum Jun 2022 #6
LOL!! C Moon Jun 2022 #12
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2022 #5
the only thing that's clearly evident on that bigtree Jun 2022 #8
I was encouraged H2O Man Jun 2022 #11
me too bigtree Jun 2022 #13
Right. H2O Man Jun 2022 #14
that's quite a political phenomenon bigtree Jun 2022 #16
Yeah, it is interesting that we know he watched the hearing Novara Jun 2022 #15
I believe that the DOJ is clearly looking at TFG and others LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2022 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2022 #9
It is inevitable the evidence from the committee will become part of the DOJ investigations. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #10

Harker

(13,976 posts)
4. I don't think I'd care to try out for the role of Julius Caesar.
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 01:46 PM
Jun 2022

Maybe better to wait for a comedy.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
5. Recommended.
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 01:49 PM
Jun 2022

I hope so. But I respectfully will note that even though the DOJ is on a similar track, it does not mean that Trump will be charged. Obviously, he should be, which is distinct from he will be.

bigtree

(85,975 posts)
8. the only thing that's clearly evident on that
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 02:01 PM
Jun 2022

...is Merrick Garland's word:

what Garland said:

"Justice Dept. remains committed to holding all Jan. 6th perpetrators, AT ANY LEVEL*, accountable under law, whether they were present that day or were otherwise criminally responsible for the assault on our democracy... "We will follow the facts wherever they lead."


*emphasis mine

bigtree

(85,975 posts)
13. me too
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 02:18 PM
Jun 2022

...I couldn't help but wonder if Garland would be seeing some of the testimony for the first time, because of the reluctance of the committee to release witness transcripts of depositions to the DOJ until September.

Especially of interest, I think, with a Proud Boys trial scheduled for August.

Interesting that he watched, even more interesting that we know that.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
14. Right.
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 02:46 PM
Jun 2022

I think it comes down to if the DOJ is 95% sure of a conviction. That's the measure that I've been told they want in order to press charges. I think they are about there now, though they may be looking to turn a few others. Time will tell.

I am really looking forward to the next Committee hearing. I think last week's was as good as I've ever seen.

bigtree

(85,975 posts)
16. that's quite a political phenomenon
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 05:35 PM
Jun 2022

...to present such a compelling story in such a graphic and engaging manner.

I've never seen the likes of it in the present age of tv political drama. Bennie Thompson is an excellent storyteller, and I thought Liz Cheney lent credibility to the proceeding like I've never seen a republican do since Watergate, and since truth became a political football during Iran Contra.

I think it's such compelling drama for so many viewers because this reality show is ultimately about us. We should see even more tune in for the next episode.

Novara

(5,821 posts)
15. Yeah, it is interesting that we know he watched the hearing
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 03:43 PM
Jun 2022

With all his caution, etc. etc. that we keep hearing about as reasoning why he will do nothing, you'd think he'd steer clear so he isn't influenced. But I suspect the DOJ is already well on their way to indicting him and they're at the point of gathering as much information as possible. And I'll bet Garland is watching how the public is reacting as well.

Response to bigtree (Original post)

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
10. It is inevitable the evidence from the committee will become part of the DOJ investigations.
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 02:06 PM
Jun 2022

Bring on the indictments.

By the way, Fuck Trump.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»If you believe the Jan. 6...