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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSomeone please explain Biden's low polling.
I know theres high inflation and gas prices
But those are GLOBAL problems not just American
After living thru Trump, Biden should be polling at 60 per cent approval or more.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,315 posts)Carlitos Brigante
(26,500 posts)sorry just got back from filling up after picking up some groceries....
Tickle
(2,507 posts)RockRaven
(14,951 posts)America is a shithole country full of ignorant unthinking voters (effect and cause).
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,376 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,376 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)The comment that we're shithole country full of unthinking voters is being kind.
He forgot add racist, misogynist, homophobic, jingoistic, simpletons.
Empathetic thinkers are an endangered species in the good ol' US of A.
Dave says
(4,616 posts)It shouldve been closer to 7 million.
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)Shithole Country full of Ignorant Unthinking Voters.
BettyonRed
(40 posts)inthewind21
(4,616 posts)In comparison, that's what I see.
jimfields33
(15,760 posts)Theyve been saying its global for months. Why would people who cant believe the prices at the grocery stores care that the same item is a euro more then they pay in Europe? Thats a ridiculous reason. They care that last year they paid 45 dollars for groceries they pay 60 dollars for today.
Results in lowering prices are the only thing buyers want. Do that and we have success.
And then there is the stock market
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Golden Raisin
(4,608 posts)countries on a map if their lives depended on it.
jimfields33
(15,760 posts)They are trying to survive in todays expensive society where some are wondering how to find a few dollars for the kids to eat tonight and others are counting their change hoping to get a gallon of gas to get to work. Who care that they dont know where Europe is? Thats the least of their troubles.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)knowledge is power. The typical citizen sees higher prices, but has no clue why and no interest in knowing why. Only instant action will do. People were bitching because interest on their stocks, 401K, CD's,mutual funds etc. was too low. Feds raise the rates and people are whining interest rates are too high. People bitch about price gouging, yet will vote based on an ad claiming government is trying to destroy tech. When the ad is really an ad against anti-trust laws, which we have none left. People are shocked that Roe is coming to an end, when it's been right there, broadcast at top volume , out in the open for 40 plus years now. A very LOT cannot name the three branches of government. A very LOT think the President can just sign an EO and fix ANYTHING. A VERY LOT cant tell you who their state legislators are let alone who the president of the kids school board is. And, a VERY VERY LOT, get all their information from Facebook, Twitter, and every other social media outlet out there. I see Wikipedia citations used here on DU as if were reliable factual information. Why should they you ask. Really?
spooky3
(34,426 posts)We have a capitalist (mostly) economy. No President can dictate prices, production of more of some goods and less of others, etc. Unless voters want to change this in good times as well as bad, and vote into Congress representatives who will support major govt control of the economy, they have to understand that markets will do what markets will do.
Why is the global picture important? Because it suggests that the factors that control inflation are things like global supply or shortages of something, global demand of something, etc. In this case, wheat and oil supplies have been greatly affected by Russias invasion and oil supply is being disrupted in other countries too. No President has a magic wand to solve this problem.
dchill
(38,464 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,869 posts)He tried to ruin Australia and then Great Britain.
The pen 🖊 and the airwaves are mightier than the sword.
Sigh!
GoCubsGo
(32,078 posts)It's not just Fox and other right-wing media, either. All one has to do is turn on any one of the network news casts, cable or broadcast, and one of the top headlines, if not THE top headline, is "OMG! OMG!!! OMG!!!! Inflation!!! Recession is coming1!! We're doooooommmmeed!!! This shit has been going on for weeks. And, now we have the Greedy Old Pedophiles running ads blaming The American Recovery Act for inflation. Which they can do, because few people are pointing out the truth of the matter, and those that do are all but ignored by those who determine who gets to speak into their megaphones.
Initech
(100,056 posts)And people believe them. Biden has had to work a lot to clean up Trumps mess and Fox is shitting on him for all the things that Trump did and got away with. Fuck Fox News.
Jerry2144
(2,093 posts)All media has a conservative bias. Reporters may be trained journalists who seek truth and therefore tend to be liberal, but their corporate bosses lean on them and control the stories. So. GOP talking points get pushed as normal and mainstream and anything else is hyped as extremist.
Because treating women, LGBTQ+, minorities, other religions (and non-religious) and the destitute like theyre humans is an extremist view, right? How can that be compatible with guns and god?
We will never improve this planet if we cant figure out how to treat the mental and societal cancer that is conservatism.
Funtatlaguy
(10,869 posts)KarenS
(4,071 posts)Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)spooky3
(34,426 posts)at managing the economy than is Biden.
CrispyQ
(36,445 posts)They never cite anything good that Biden has done, only what they deem as bad, even if it's not his fault. Also, people don't know or don't remember how government works. A lot of people don't have a clue what the filibuster is & how that limits our ability to get legislation passed. Also, first time voters & young voters are fickle. If change doesn't happen as quickly as they'd like, they get pissy about it. They think because they voted in one election everything should be fixed by now.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Keep blaming everything on the media. It absolves the general public from being responsible for their own facts and knowledge. The media, certainly, without a doubt doesn't help. But the media is not at fault or to blame if I choose to use ONLY the media to keep myself informed. That's on me.
ReluctanceTango
(219 posts)We can't blame everything on the media, because we're all personally responsible for informing ourselves...
...and yet most people use only the media to stay informed.
Guess what? If most people use the media to stay informed, and the media is being corporate whores, then they are a huge reason why so few Americans have a clue what's going on.
You're expecting to change tens of millions of Americans...how? It won't happen. The media is how they stay informed, and if they aren't informed, then it's because the media isn't doing its job.
QED.
LonePirate
(13,414 posts)As for the polling, pretty much all Republicans are against him just because of polarization.
Independents are upset about inflation.
Some Democrats are upset about inflation. Other Democrats are upset because of inaction on guns, election and voter laws, student loans and climate change. The lack of congressional action here as the true cause seems to be irrelevant as they still blame Biden.
That leaves a smaller slice of Dems who are maybe tolerant to unhappy about those issues and inflation; but they know things would be a lot worse under a Republican.
I suppose there is also a small set of Dems who are as pleased as punch right now and have no real complaints.
Hugin
(33,112 posts)They would accomplish these miracles. Their plan, IOW.
Instead of something magical happens when there are more Rs than Ds in office. Which is what they seem to think. If they think at all.
newdayneeded
(1,955 posts)Billionaires control the supply chains, oil companies, media, and the stock market.
They manipulate all those above factors exactly as they need to, to get the polls down for democrats, and up for repubs.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)And the politicians who made that possible for those billionaires were elected by THE VOTERS. And keep being re-elected. We can blame the media, billionaires, republicans, the girl scouts, whoever. Funny thing about all that blame. There is ALWAYS one group left out and completely blameless. THE AMERICAN VOTER! And until the public can tear it's self away from FB, Twitter and American Idol and bone up on their civics and start voting in massive numbers, we will continue to have the government that was voted for. And continue to complain. And continue to blame it all on the media, the wealthy whoever and the wheel keep spinning round and round.
Hugin
(33,112 posts)It is all about them/now and nothing else matters.
News coverage reflects this. Ask the average American where any country and many states are and you will receive a blank stare.
This response has been carefully crafted and cultivated.
doc03
(35,321 posts)N. Korean and China saber rattling. The f---g world is a mess.
Thrill
(19,178 posts)You really think people arent going to blame whoever the President is. If you dont, youre living in a fantasy world. The people in this country simply dont take the time to see that its global.
doc03
(35,321 posts)DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,919 posts)They simply don't care. It doesn't matter to them that other countries are dealing with the same or worse inflation. All that matters is things cost less before and prices keep going up now.
MichMan
(11,900 posts)It's just how it is.
It doesn't matter one iota what does or doesn't happen in other parts of the world. People there are probably unhappy with their political leaders.
We all know that if Republicans were in charge right now, we would be blaming them every minute for high gas prices and inflation.
DemocraticPatriot
(4,336 posts)It is normal to blame "those in charge", especially among those who go no further to consider what has caused those conditions..
I am also a Michigan man...
However, if we placed that blame while they were "in charge", we would be "more correct" in placing the blame upon Republicans, and even now, while they can claim that they are NOT "in charge...
"anti-vaxx Republicans" are directly responsible for the price inflation which has resulted from 'supply chain problems'... !!!!
(anything to prevent President Joe from being judged "successful".....)
They have served themselves up as 'human sacrifices' for the sole purpose of attempting to deny our President of a "victory over covid"--- and their illnesses and spreading of the same, have directly contributed to the 'supply chain problems' which have made the price inflation worse....
-----AND the incredible gasoline prices, which are mostly driving the current price inflation, are mostly under the direct control of corporate Republicans who lead those corporations, and who OWN those corporations, as "shareholders"...
I have read the reports, and hopefully you have also, which stated that all of these oil corporations are being driven by 'shareholder desires' that they continue to collect the windfall profits that they are collecting now, and 'NOT increase production'...
All of those 'shareholders' and corporate presidents, are MORE THAN HAPPY to PUNISH the American people with high fuel prices, for which they hope they will blame Democrats and our president... and vote out Democrats in favor of Republicans, who will let them run wild as usual... with little regulation and lower fuel standards...
Sorry.. but if we blame Republicans for the conditions of the country, it is much more truthful, and more logical.
It is NOT "if they were in charge, we would say the same"..
The facts are on OUR side...
Ace Rothstein
(3,152 posts)If a Republican were POTUS right now, DUers would be losing their minds over the price increases.
Timewas
(2,192 posts)All politics are local and people vote their pocketbooks....Regardless of national or world wide conditions.
diehardblue
(11,001 posts)minimize President Biden and his administration.
Thtwudbeme
(7,737 posts)"It's the economy, stupid?"
Americans cannot think past their noses- and inflation is hurting people. Hell, even we are taking a hit- and we are double income, no kids.
It's also timing: When the depression hit in the late 1920's people were looking right at Hoover. FDR came along with ideas and Eleanor to give people hope. (S)he cared about the "average person," the farmers...the farm wives.
Joe Biden had the extreme misfortune to be elected while the economy was good- AND in the middle of a pandemic that was guaranteed to cause some economic turbulence and has- across every country.
If things stay the same, were in real trouble.
J_William_Ryan
(1,749 posts)Theres nothing President Biden can do about inflation and high gas prices, nor is he to blame for either.
But hes nonetheless to blame the consequence of the capricious idiocy of American presidential politics.
womanofthehills
(8,688 posts)Link to tweet
?s=21&t=prV03zf8AzJNs-7AwL79Aw
At this point, no one wants to hear politicians bicker about inflations cause. They want to hear about how we can fix it.
President Biden recently outlined his ideas to address inflation. I support the presidents efforts, but we need a bolder vision and faster action. Ms. Lopez and my constituents expect the government to get prices back under control, and they want us to do it quickly.
To meet the moment, Mr. Biden should convene an emergency task force empowered to lower prices and address shortages. We need an all-out mobilization, not just a few ad hoc initiatives reacting to headlines. The task force should include relevant cabinet members like Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack, Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg and Secretary of Energy Jennifer Granholm. It should also have state and local officials, along with business and labor leaders from sectors experiencing significant inflation.
The most urgent goal of this task force would be to lower and stabilize short-term prices of volatile goods like food and fuel. We can do this through pre-emptive buying, a tool weve used since World War II. The Department of Agriculture should purchase essential food products on the global market during significant price dips, which often occur multiple times a month or even every week, and resell them cheaply to Americans. The department should contract with private wholesalers for distribution, as it has done for decades to avoid storage or logistical challenges. Because the government would be buying and selling large quantities of food when they are cheapest, this would lower and stabilize prices for key grocery store products within weeks.
LisaM
(27,800 posts)Every time I put on CNN, someone is blaming Biden for things that aren't his fault.
Given that they were the same people who propped up Trump during his early, failing, campaign in 2016, I am not surprised.
NewHendoLib
(60,013 posts)there's very little news any more - there's entertainment.
diehardblue
(11,001 posts)minimize President Biden and his administration.
inwiththenew
(972 posts)Working families are being squeezed by inflation and high fuel prices. Now you can say that's not Biden's fault and it's a global problem until you are blue in the face but it will fall on deaf ears.
Was it Jimmy Carter's fault for the economic problems of the late 70s and in 1980? No. But did he pay the price for it? Absolutely he did. The sitting President owns the economy for better or worse. Same as it ever was.
haele
(12,645 posts)We have to Know The Plan! It's Got to Fix the Problem Now When Real Americans are stepping the Pinch.
Biden hasn't just waved his magic wand to fix Global Inflation, price gouging, profit taking, portfolio funds and venture capital looting critical common infrastructure like housing and water rights, not to mention Billionaire hissy fits affecting markets.
In other words, the Media and various Pacs and Lobbies across the political spectrum all want Sparkle Ponies and exciting story lines, and they would rather the common Americans starve or go homeless than give up their upvotes and groupies and actually work to fix the problems.
I'm old. I do remember a time when Journalism was somewhat independent from Entertainment and when Lobbies could be negotiated with to help with long term problems. When Pork Barrel Spending in Congress actually helped bipartisanship, sure there was some fraud and waste, but there was usually more good overall than bad, and Congress actually worked for the people than for a particular Party or like now, groups of Pacs.
Haele
Not now.
minstrel76
(83 posts)After the crash of '29 and the onset of the Great Depression, shantytowns were commonly called "Hoovervilles", after all. Whether Herbert Hoover had anything to do with the crash or could have done anything about it was obviously irrelevant.
Bobstandard
(1,303 posts)jcgoldie
(11,627 posts)But everyone buys $5 gas. Doesnt matter whos fault it is, blame somebody.
Beautiful Disaster
(667 posts)It's irrelevant if the issue is solely national or if it's global. Americans are always going to blame the president for the conditions. That's just the reality.
The good news for Biden is that there's two years for things to get worked out before it really impacts him. If gas prices go down, and inflation does as well, his numbers will rebound.
But like Obama in 2010 and Clinton in 1994, the mood of the country is not positive and unfortunately, the president, who's the face of the government, is going to get a bulk of the blame.
Caliman73
(11,727 posts)It is that simple.
They don't care that inflation is high everywhere. They care that they are paying 5 and 6 dollars a gallon for gas. They don't care that fuel prices drive up prices on all other goods. They can buy less food for more money.
They don't care that companies are making record profits. They know their money isn't going far enough.
No one in the media is telling them about WHY things are happening, for the most part, if the media does say something, it is asking questions about what Biden is doing about the situation and "Will this hurt Biden?"
You need to understand that most people rarely even watch ANY news. They don't read the paper, they don't come on to DU. They maybe get push notifications from Twitter, but much of what the average American reads is about celebrities, sports, and maybe local issues. We have a pretty apathetic civic culture, but they do know that things do not feel right in the country right now.
The Protagonist
(74 posts)They stir stuff up for ratings. Its what they do.
MichMan
(11,900 posts)They see it for themselves every day.
The Protagonist
(74 posts)So inflation adjusted, its about the same now. Do you ever hear the media point that little factoid out?
They have to paint the situation in the worse light possible to get views, drum up outrage and angst, and get ratings. They are a huge part of the problem.
jimfields33
(15,760 posts)The party in power (republicans) lost a lot senate seats (filibuster proof), lost huge in the house and lost the presidency. Not exactly a great example. I do not want that to happen in November 2022. Thank God we have the presidency for another two years.
Polybius
(15,367 posts)All the time actually.
Sympthsical
(9,067 posts)Wait until the recession hits and the housing bubble bursts.
People largely aren't political junkies or partisans. They feel government isn't looking out for their interests at the moment. As a result, they're more inclined to change things. That's how humans have behaved for forever.
Human nature - voter nature - doesn't magically change based on who's in office. Bemoaning that is just spinning wheels. Insulting voters isn't how that gets turned around.
Only if voters see you do your damnedest to help them does the narrative shift. If they think they're being ignored or politicians don't care about what's going on with them, they won't be very loyal to you.
I think making Trump the centerpiece of our campaign at this point was a terrible calculation - and it was a calculation. These hearings should've happened a year ago. This entire summer should've been our party going, "Inflation, inflation, inflation. Here's what we're doing. We are only doing this."
Instead, we look distracted and political instead of concerned and proactive.
I know that's not at all going to be a popular opinion in a highly partisan space, but that's how I see it, what I'm hearing from the people around me, what I observe in other spaces where politics don't reign. I look at my social media, talk with friends, family, and co-workers, and they are not discussing these hearings outside of the usual highly politically interested.
They're talking about what that number at the pump looks like and how much they spent on groceries. They're talking about how much health care costs. They're talking about weather that's all messed up from climate change. They're talking about how much school for their kids is going to cost in the fall. They're talking about products they have trouble finding in stores.
People shouldn't be surprised. And grousing that voters aren't smart and don't perceive the same wonder in politicians isn't going to change things. When you want people on your side, you don't stand their and berate them and strike a superior, condescending pose.
This is like Humans 101.
Freddie
(9,258 posts)My son, very liberal and despised TFG, is critical of Biden and wants some student loan forgiveness now. He also doesnt get that the President cant wave a magic wand and get the Dino Duo to cooperate and pass legislation.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Whether he deserves it or not. In this case, Biden doesnt deserve it, but people are scared and angry.
Also, Trump has campaigned on the bullshit of only I can fix it. Desperate people believe that, and Fox News is pounding them daily with just how much a failure Biden is.
Were headed into some deep(er) shit.
Tommy Carcetti
(43,164 posts)That's it.
Unfortunately that's the most noticeable thing for most non-politically engaged Americans, and the President has very little impact on it. But they all think he does.
MichMan
(11,900 posts)There is video of Chuck Schumer holding a press conference at a gas station while blaming Trump for $3 a gallon gas in 2018.
Presidents Obama and Bush both got blamed by the opposition for high gas prices too.
Long as I can remember, politicians always take credit for things they didn't cause, and therefore shouldn't act very surprised when voters also assign them blame.
Takket
(21,550 posts)1. Is the president a Democrat?
If yes, it is the presidents fault. If no, it is Nancy Pelosis fault.
JohnSJ
(92,115 posts)they will answer according to their view of the perfect, not what can realistically be accomplished. Polled republicans do not factor that into their equation when polled.
maxsolomon
(33,279 posts)1. Repukes who hate all Dems and will never approve.
2. Flibberdigibbets who think the President has a dial in the oval office that controls gas prices and inflation.
3. Progressives, typically idealist young Progressives, who think Biden can waive a magic wand and wipe out all student debt. I saw one such writer opining that Dems had done "diddly squat' for their constituents, so of course they were going to lose the House and Senate this fall.
Now, if you think I'm attacking Progressives and that violates DU rules, alert on my post.
4. People who thought COVID vaccine would protect them, and they then tested positive, or even worse, got long COVID.
maxsolomon
(33,279 posts)American Idiots?
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)And, We could fix everything now if not for Republican obstruction.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)That's the reason.
It being a global problem doesn't register with most people, and it isn't going to. They don't want to why the problems exist; they just want the problems to go away.
Deep State Witch
(10,421 posts)People reading on-line comments on FB and Twitter about inflation and high gas prices being "all Biden's fault".
womanofthehills
(8,688 posts)They are screwed - over $100 a week or more out of their paycheck for gas plus high food prices, rents raised, etc. Most people I know are not on Twitter and the ones on Facebook post family photos. Inflation hits the poor the worst.
brooklynite
(94,483 posts)Seeking Serenity
(2,840 posts)1) The continued existence of an organised criminal organisation that's allowed to disguise itself as a political party and to actually place its capos and soldiers on ballots as "candidates," thus robbing Democrats of places in government; and
2) The pollsters' hopelessly dishonestly framed questions: "Given that America's economic woes are President Biden's fault, how much fault do you think he bears? A) A lot; B) A whole lot; C) An enormous amount; or D) 100 percent of it"
Those are the two that leap readily to mind.
ReluctanceTango
(219 posts)that phrases any of their questions in such an obviously biased way.
I'll wait.
The polls aren't the problem.
The people taking them--and those informing them--are.
Seeking Serenity
(2,840 posts)Nevertheless, the point behind that accusation is that pollsters can get people to say just what they want them to say. It's all in how the questions are phrased and the answer options one is given.
I stand by my post.
Polybius
(15,367 posts)I see it in my daily conversations, and many of these people voted for him. I like him though, and I'm part of the 40%.
ReluctanceTango
(219 posts)A country where the majority of citizens are not that bright, if not downright stupid
=
Low poll numbers for a D POTUS.
GoodRaisin
(8,921 posts)I tuned in today at the top of the hour, I believe it was around one o'clock. I wanted to see how they were spinning the 1/6 committee hearings or if they were saying anything at all about it to their audience. Started off with "Joe Biden's terrible ratings and his policies are causing all the inflation" followed by "Kamala Harris' terrible job on the border" and "she never works on weekends". Those are all they talked about the first 30 minutes or so and then I shut it off. Not a word had been said about the Trump insurrection hearings.
With Fox News' lies being spewed 24/7 it's little wonder Biden's polling is being pulled down.
Chakaconcarne
(2,439 posts)It's relentless.
Polybius
(15,367 posts)It's pretty easy actually. Most people blame the President when those three are bad, and credit him when they are good. They are obviously both times.
Polybius
(15,367 posts)Yeah, he wasn't good, but nothing he did warranted an approval rating of 28%. Even Trump never got that low, nor did Shrub. Poppy was way better than those two.
DemocraticPatriot
(4,336 posts)I suspect we would not be discussing it on this website at this moment..
We would have no heat, no electricity, no internet, no NOTHING.
(All it takes is one good Russian supersonic nuclear missile exploded at high altitude over North America to wipe out all of our electricity and all of our advanced electronic devices--- electromagnetic pulse, google it--- and that would be much more likely to happen with a LOUDMOUTH 'president' on Twitter, who gave no thought to tomorrow, and cared about no-one but himself, which THANK GOD, we do not have at this moment....)
When I pray, which is not that often, I thank God that he decided "to use Joe Biden"-- (as my sister justified Trump's 2016 electoral college victory..)
If Drump had been president, WORLD WAR III would have begun and ended in a psychotic Twitter rant, and many of us would have probably died in our sleep.
Septua
(2,254 posts)..high inflation and gas prices are global, especially when many "news" sources are saying it's worst in the US.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)LOLOLOLOL!
andym
(5,443 posts)until it recedes, which requires a combination of Fed action (raising interest rates). Ukraine defeating Russia (oil prices due to sanctions) and China ending Covid lockdowns (supply chain).
Until very hawkish action by Fed Chairman Paul Volcker (appointed by Jimmy Carter in 1979) broke the inflationary cycle (after over 3 years), the economy entered the deepest recession since the Great Depression (up to that point), with high inflation and very high interest rates as well. Reagan was at 35% favorability in early 1983 because of the economy.
JI7
(89,244 posts)People don't think in that way.
Also crime such as the smash and grab things .
mvd
(65,169 posts)They have been horrible to the President and normalized Trump. Much of it is because the mainstream media is under big corporate control, and we all know which party favors big corporations. Take a look at the Philly Inquirer front page today. There is an AP article to the side that is a total hit piece. No rebuttal or anything. It is straight out of FAUX news.
gulliver
(13,180 posts)Anyone on the left who would say they disapprove of Biden is just blowing it for the team. There are quite a few. If they feel like they disapprove, they say so. Republicans play the game much better. No matter what they're asked, they say the thing that builds up their polling, true, false, or whatever. They don't give a crap. I respect Republicans who do that more than Dems who are "honest" with pollsters and blow it for the team.
Then, yeah, the media too. They're infected with various degrees of emotionalism and arrogance. A photo of people flooding the tarmac in the (necessary and good for America) Afghanistan withdrawal and problems in Afghanistan afterward are, from an American perspective, regrettable. From a media perspective they're something to rant about, emote about, and act as know-it-all judges over. Some haircut on a talking heads show now routinely just presumes they can judge the president on a "settled matter."