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Someone please explain Biden's low polling. (Original Post) Funtatlaguy Jun 2022 OP
Polls are about feelings, not logic. High inflation and gas prices make people feel stressed. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2022 #1
No they don't!! You take that back, you bastard!!.... Carlitos Brigante Jun 2022 #72
lmao! nt Tickle Jun 2022 #74
People are unhappy. He's the incumbent.... That's how deep the thinking goes. RockRaven Jun 2022 #2
Really? mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2022 #4
You disagree?? Nt USALiberal Jun 2022 #7
Yes. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2022 #10
So people blaming Biden are not "unthinking voters" USALiberal Jun 2022 #14
Then how do you explain trump and MAGAts? SoonerPride Jun 2022 #34
Over 70 million still voted for TFG in 2020 Dave says Jun 2022 #39
I Agree SoCalDavidS Jun 2022 #17
Me thinks you haven't been outside of the US if that's what you see. BettyonRed Jun 2022 #62
I have been outside the country inthewind21 Jun 2022 #63
Nobody cares that it's global. jimfields33 Jun 2022 #3
And many couldn't correctly identify even the major European Golden Raisin Jun 2022 #27
I mean why should they? jimfields33 Jun 2022 #58
Well inthewind21 Jun 2022 #65
It has to do with cause and effect. spooky3 Jun 2022 #38
M. E. D. I. A. dchill Jun 2022 #5
I think Rupert Murdoch ruined America. Funtatlaguy Jun 2022 #9
Yep, that's a big part of it. GoCubsGo Jun 2022 #22
Because it's what Tucker and Hannity say every night. Initech Jun 2022 #6
There truly is no Liberal Media Jerry2144 Jun 2022 #8
This is 100% . Unfortunately. Funtatlaguy Jun 2022 #11
I agree with you n/t KarenS Jun 2022 #13
Facts don't matter. The masses just need a scapegoat. They pick whomever is handy. nt Binkie The Clown Jun 2022 #12
"We didn't have these high prices under Trump. Therefore, he is better spooky3 Jun 2022 #42
The media. CrispyQ Jun 2022 #15
We can't inthewind21 Jun 2022 #66
Seriously? ReluctanceTango Jun 2022 #79
Few Americans know inflation is a global problem. They certainly don't understand its causes. LonePirate Jun 2022 #16
Just once I would like to have a single republican explanation of how exactly... Hugin Jun 2022 #28
+1 spooky3 Jun 2022 #43
Because of billionaires. newdayneeded Jun 2022 #18
Yes, they do inthewind21 Jun 2022 #67
To most Americans nothing is global. Hugin Jun 2022 #19
Inflation, Ukraine, baby formula, chip shortage, businesses can't find workers, doc03 Jun 2022 #20
People are paying ridiculous prices for everything Thrill Jun 2022 #21
If gas was under $2 a gallon his poll numbers would be in the 60s or higher. nt doc03 Jun 2022 #23
Ita not even that they don't take the time DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 2022 #26
Politicians take credit when things go well and get blamed when they dont. MichMan Jun 2022 #47
You are right, as far as "the reaction to conditions" goes.... DemocraticPatriot Jun 2022 #87
I can't believe posters here don't get this. Ace Rothstein Jun 2022 #73
In the end Timewas Jun 2022 #24
I have little faith in the polls that are media generated. They are a part of the effort to diehardblue Jun 2022 #25
Wasn't it James Carville who said, Thtwudbeme Jun 2022 #29
Yes. Treefrog Jun 2022 #64
Polls are about feelings, not facts, logic, or the truth. J_William_Ryan Jun 2022 #30
Ro Khanna's ideas - NYT opinion piece womanofthehills Jun 2022 #68
Media. LisaM Jun 2022 #31
non-stop right wing noise machine. Gaslighting. Propaganda. NewHendoLib Jun 2022 #32
I have little faith in the polls that are media generated. They are a part of the effort to diehardblue Jun 2022 #33
It's the economy inwiththenew Jun 2022 #35
The Media pushing a talking point. There's got to be a hero and a quick fix. haele Jun 2022 #36
Blaming the sitting present for current economic troubles is nothing new in the US minstrel76 Jun 2022 #37
Gas prices! N/t Bobstandard Jun 2022 #40
Most people are completely ignorant of politics jcgoldie Jun 2022 #41
There was a global economic recession in 2008 and that didn't stop Bush from getting blamed... Beautiful Disaster Jun 2022 #44
People aren't feeling good about the economy and their lives. They blame whoever is in charge. Caliman73 Jun 2022 #45
Its the media The Protagonist Jun 2022 #46
So, if the media didn't mention $5 a gallon gas and high inflation, people wouldn't notice? MichMan Jun 2022 #48
I remember gas for $4 a gallon in 2008 The Protagonist Jun 2022 #61
And guess what happened in November 2008? jimfields33 Jun 2022 #69
"Do you ever hear the media point that little factoid out?" Polybius Jun 2022 #88
Things aren't going well Sympthsical Jun 2022 #49
I wonder how much of the negative comes from the left Freddie Jun 2022 #50
When times as bad, the president takes the blame. AngryOldDem Jun 2022 #51
G-A-S. Tommy Carcetti Jun 2022 #52
Good luck convincing people of that when presidents have been blamed for it previously MichMan Jun 2022 #56
Here is how to process how people assign blame Takket Jun 2022 #53
We are always at a disadvantage compared to republicans being polled. When AOC types are polled JohnSJ Jun 2022 #54
There are 3 types of "disapprovers" in Biden's numbers: maxsolomon Jun 2022 #55
4 nitpicker Jun 2022 #57
Aren't they in Group 2? maxsolomon Jun 2022 #60
Democrats need to say, "Elect us and we'll fix everything." Baked Potato Jun 2022 #59
Inflation and high gas prices. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2022 #70
People reading comments Deep State Witch Jun 2022 #71
I doubt it - if a person has to drive 30 or more miles to work womanofthehills Jun 2022 #78
It doesn't matter what the CAUSE is...people will hold the President responsible for dealing with it brooklynite Jun 2022 #75
A couple of reasons I can think of Seeking Serenity Jun 2022 #76
Show me the reputable poll ReluctanceTango Jun 2022 #80
I'm sorry my hyperbole re: pollsters wasn't clear as being hyperbole Seeking Serenity Jun 2022 #82
No, Biden really is unpopular, that's a fact Polybius Jun 2022 #86
Corporate media with standing orders to tear down Ds + ReluctanceTango Jun 2022 #77
Have you watched any Fox News lately? GoodRaisin Jun 2022 #81
The anti-Democrat rhetoric is thick in social media all the way down to local level Chakaconcarne Jun 2022 #83
Gas, stocks, inflation Polybius Jun 2022 #84
Why was Poppy Bush's in the high 20's in late 1992? Polybius Jun 2022 #85
If Trump had been president for another term, DemocraticPatriot Jun 2022 #89
You can't convince some people... Septua Jun 2022 #90
You expect average Americans to think about global economics? CrackityJones75 Jun 2022 #91
Stagflation finished off Carter, it almost finished off Reagan, so inflation will hurt Biden too andym Jun 2022 #92
Being a Global Problem doesn't make a difference to people JI7 Jun 2022 #93
Media is a big reason! mvd Jun 2022 #94
Not-too-bright left leaners being "honest about their feelings" gulliver Jun 2022 #95

Carlitos Brigante

(26,500 posts)
72. No they don't!! You take that back, you bastard!!....
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 04:03 PM
Jun 2022

sorry just got back from filling up after picking up some groceries....

RockRaven

(14,951 posts)
2. People are unhappy. He's the incumbent.... That's how deep the thinking goes.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 10:47 AM
Jun 2022

America is a shithole country full of ignorant unthinking voters (effect and cause).

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
34. Then how do you explain trump and MAGAts?
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:15 AM
Jun 2022

The comment that we're shithole country full of unthinking voters is being kind.

He forgot add racist, misogynist, homophobic, jingoistic, simpletons.

Empathetic thinkers are an endangered species in the good ol' US of A.

jimfields33

(15,760 posts)
3. Nobody cares that it's global.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 10:48 AM
Jun 2022

They’ve been saying it’s global for months. Why would people who can’t believe the prices at the grocery stores care that the same item is a euro more then they pay in Europe? That’s a ridiculous reason. They care that last year they paid 45 dollars for groceries they pay 60 dollars for today.

Results in lowering prices are the only thing buyers want. Do that and we have success.

And then there is the stock market…..

Golden Raisin

(4,608 posts)
27. And many couldn't correctly identify even the major European
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:11 AM
Jun 2022

countries on a map if their lives depended on it.

jimfields33

(15,760 posts)
58. I mean why should they?
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 12:18 PM
Jun 2022

They are trying to survive in today’s expensive society where some are wondering how to find a few dollars for the kids to eat tonight and others are counting their change hoping to get a gallon of gas to get to work. Who care that they don’t know where Europe is? That’s the least of their troubles.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
65. Well
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 01:41 PM
Jun 2022

knowledge is power. The typical citizen sees higher prices, but has no clue why and no interest in knowing why. Only instant action will do. People were bitching because interest on their stocks, 401K, CD's,mutual funds etc. was too low. Feds raise the rates and people are whining interest rates are too high. People bitch about price gouging, yet will vote based on an ad claiming government is trying to destroy tech. When the ad is really an ad against anti-trust laws, which we have none left. People are shocked that Roe is coming to an end, when it's been right there, broadcast at top volume , out in the open for 40 plus years now. A very LOT cannot name the three branches of government. A very LOT think the President can just sign an EO and fix ANYTHING. A VERY LOT cant tell you who their state legislators are let alone who the president of the kids school board is. And, a VERY VERY LOT, get all their information from Facebook, Twitter, and every other social media outlet out there. I see Wikipedia citations used here on DU as if were reliable factual information. Why should they you ask. Really?

spooky3

(34,426 posts)
38. It has to do with cause and effect.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:25 AM
Jun 2022

We have a capitalist (mostly) economy. No President can dictate prices, production of more of some goods and less of others, etc. Unless voters want to change this in good times as well as bad, and vote into Congress representatives who will support major govt control of the economy, they have to understand that markets will do what markets will do.

Why is the global picture important? Because it suggests that the factors that control inflation are things like global supply or shortages of something, global demand of something, etc. In this case, wheat and oil supplies have been greatly affected by Russia’s invasion and oil supply is being disrupted in other countries too. No President has a magic wand to solve this problem.

Funtatlaguy

(10,869 posts)
9. I think Rupert Murdoch ruined America.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 10:51 AM
Jun 2022

He tried to ruin Australia and then Great Britain.
The pen 🖊 and the airwaves are mightier than the sword.
Sigh!

GoCubsGo

(32,078 posts)
22. Yep, that's a big part of it.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:03 AM
Jun 2022

It's not just Fox and other right-wing media, either. All one has to do is turn on any one of the network news casts, cable or broadcast, and one of the top headlines, if not THE top headline, is "OMG! OMG!!! OMG!!!! Inflation!!! Recession is coming1!! We're doooooommmmeed!!! This shit has been going on for weeks. And, now we have the Greedy Old Pedophiles running ads blaming The American Recovery Act for inflation. Which they can do, because few people are pointing out the truth of the matter, and those that do are all but ignored by those who determine who gets to speak into their megaphones.

Initech

(100,056 posts)
6. Because it's what Tucker and Hannity say every night.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 10:50 AM
Jun 2022

And people believe them. Biden has had to work a lot to clean up Trump’s mess and Fox is shitting on him for all the things that Trump did and got away with. Fuck Fox News.

Jerry2144

(2,093 posts)
8. There truly is no Liberal Media
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 10:51 AM
Jun 2022

All media has a conservative bias. Reporters may be trained journalists who seek truth and therefore tend to be liberal, but their corporate bosses lean on them and control the stories. So. GOP talking points get pushed as normal and mainstream and anything else is hyped as extremist.

Because treating women, LGBTQ+, minorities, other religions (and non-religious) and the destitute like they’re humans is an extremist view, right? How can that be compatible with guns and “god”?

We will never improve this planet if we can’t figure out how to treat the mental and societal cancer that is conservatism.

spooky3

(34,426 posts)
42. "We didn't have these high prices under Trump. Therefore, he is better
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:27 AM
Jun 2022

at managing the economy than is Biden.”

CrispyQ

(36,445 posts)
15. The media.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 10:54 AM
Jun 2022

They never cite anything good that Biden has done, only what they deem as bad, even if it's not his fault. Also, people don't know or don't remember how government works. A lot of people don't have a clue what the filibuster is & how that limits our ability to get legislation passed. Also, first time voters & young voters are fickle. If change doesn't happen as quickly as they'd like, they get pissy about it. They think because they voted in one election everything should be fixed by now.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
66. We can't
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 01:47 PM
Jun 2022

Keep blaming everything on the media. It absolves the general public from being responsible for their own facts and knowledge. The media, certainly, without a doubt doesn't help. But the media is not at fault or to blame if I choose to use ONLY the media to keep myself informed. That's on me.

 

ReluctanceTango

(219 posts)
79. Seriously?
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 07:07 PM
Jun 2022

We can't blame everything on the media, because we're all personally responsible for informing ourselves...

...and yet most people use only the media to stay informed.

Guess what? If most people use the media to stay informed, and the media is being corporate whores, then they are a huge reason why so few Americans have a clue what's going on.

You're expecting to change tens of millions of Americans...how? It won't happen. The media is how they stay informed, and if they aren't informed, then it's because the media isn't doing its job.

QED.

LonePirate

(13,414 posts)
16. Few Americans know inflation is a global problem. They certainly don't understand its causes.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 10:55 AM
Jun 2022

As for the polling, pretty much all Republicans are against him just because of polarization.

Independents are upset about inflation.

Some Democrats are upset about inflation. Other Democrats are upset because of inaction on guns, election and voter laws, student loans and climate change. The lack of congressional action here as the true cause seems to be irrelevant as they still blame Biden.

That leaves a smaller slice of Dems who are maybe tolerant to unhappy about those issues and inflation; but they know things would be a lot worse under a Republican.

I suppose there is also a small set of Dems who are as pleased as punch right now and have no real complaints.

Hugin

(33,112 posts)
28. Just once I would like to have a single republican explanation of how exactly...
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:11 AM
Jun 2022

They would accomplish these miracles. Their plan, IOW.

Instead of something magical happens when there are more Rs than Ds in office. Which is what they seem to think. If they think at all.

newdayneeded

(1,955 posts)
18. Because of billionaires.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 10:55 AM
Jun 2022

Billionaires control the supply chains, oil companies, media, and the stock market.

They manipulate all those above factors exactly as they need to, to get the polls down for democrats, and up for repubs.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
67. Yes, they do
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 01:57 PM
Jun 2022

And the politicians who made that possible for those billionaires were elected by THE VOTERS. And keep being re-elected. We can blame the media, billionaires, republicans, the girl scouts, whoever. Funny thing about all that blame. There is ALWAYS one group left out and completely blameless. THE AMERICAN VOTER! And until the public can tear it's self away from FB, Twitter and American Idol and bone up on their civics and start voting in massive numbers, we will continue to have the government that was voted for. And continue to complain. And continue to blame it all on the media, the wealthy whoever and the wheel keep spinning round and round.

Hugin

(33,112 posts)
19. To most Americans nothing is global.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 10:55 AM
Jun 2022

It is all about them/now and nothing else matters.

News coverage reflects this. Ask the average American where any country and many states are and you will receive a blank stare.

This response has been carefully crafted and cultivated.

doc03

(35,321 posts)
20. Inflation, Ukraine, baby formula, chip shortage, businesses can't find workers,
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 10:58 AM
Jun 2022

N. Korean and China saber rattling. The f---g world is a mess.

Thrill

(19,178 posts)
21. People are paying ridiculous prices for everything
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:02 AM
Jun 2022

You really think people aren’t going to blame whoever the President is. If you don’t, you’re living in a fantasy world. The people in this country simply don’t take the time to see that it’s global.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,919 posts)
26. Ita not even that they don't take the time
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:08 AM
Jun 2022

They simply don't care. It doesn't matter to them that other countries are dealing with the same or worse inflation. All that matters is things cost less before and prices keep going up now.

MichMan

(11,900 posts)
47. Politicians take credit when things go well and get blamed when they dont.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:39 AM
Jun 2022

It's just how it is.

It doesn't matter one iota what does or doesn't happen in other parts of the world. People there are probably unhappy with their political leaders.

We all know that if Republicans were in charge right now, we would be blaming them every minute for high gas prices and inflation.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,336 posts)
87. You are right, as far as "the reaction to conditions" goes....
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:22 PM
Jun 2022

It is normal to blame "those in charge", especially among those who go no further to consider what has caused those conditions..


I am also a Michigan man...


However, if we placed that blame while they were "in charge", we would be "more correct" in placing the blame upon Republicans, and even now, while they can claim that they are NOT "in charge...



"anti-vaxx Republicans" are directly responsible for the price inflation which has resulted from 'supply chain problems'... !!!!
(anything to prevent President Joe from being judged "successful".....)


They have served themselves up as 'human sacrifices' for the sole purpose of attempting to deny our President of a "victory over covid"--- and their illnesses and spreading of the same, have directly contributed to the 'supply chain problems' which have made the price inflation worse....

-----AND the incredible gasoline prices, which are mostly driving the current price inflation, are mostly under the direct control of corporate Republicans who lead those corporations, and who OWN those corporations, as "shareholders"...

I have read the reports, and hopefully you have also, which stated that all of these oil corporations are being driven by 'shareholder desires' that they continue to collect the windfall profits that they are collecting now, and 'NOT increase production'...


All of those 'shareholders' and corporate presidents, are MORE THAN HAPPY to PUNISH the American people with high fuel prices, for which they hope they will blame Democrats and our president... and vote out Democrats in favor of Republicans, who will let them run wild as usual... with little regulation and lower fuel standards...

Sorry.. but if we blame Republicans for the conditions of the country, it is much more truthful, and more logical.
It is NOT "if they were in charge, we would say the same"..

The facts are on OUR side...





Ace Rothstein

(3,152 posts)
73. I can't believe posters here don't get this.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 04:30 PM
Jun 2022

If a Republican were POTUS right now, DUers would be losing their minds over the price increases.

Timewas

(2,192 posts)
24. In the end
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:06 AM
Jun 2022

All politics are local and people vote their pocketbooks....Regardless of national or world wide conditions.

diehardblue

(11,001 posts)
25. I have little faith in the polls that are media generated. They are a part of the effort to
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:07 AM
Jun 2022

minimize President Biden and his administration.

 

Thtwudbeme

(7,737 posts)
29. Wasn't it James Carville who said,
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:12 AM
Jun 2022

"It's the economy, stupid?"

Americans cannot think past their noses- and inflation is hurting people. Hell, even we are taking a hit- and we are double income, no kids.

It's also timing: When the depression hit in the late 1920's people were looking right at Hoover. FDR came along with ideas and Eleanor to give people hope. (S)he cared about the "average person," the farmers...the farm wives.

Joe Biden had the extreme misfortune to be elected while the economy was good- AND in the middle of a pandemic that was guaranteed to cause some economic turbulence and has- across every country.

J_William_Ryan

(1,749 posts)
30. Polls are about feelings, not facts, logic, or the truth.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:12 AM
Jun 2022

There’s nothing President Biden can do about inflation and high gas prices, nor is he to blame for either.

But he’s nonetheless to ‘blame’ the consequence of the capricious idiocy of American presidential politics.

womanofthehills

(8,688 posts)
68. Ro Khanna's ideas - NYT opinion piece
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 02:53 PM
Jun 2022

?s=21&t=prV03zf8AzJNs-7AwL79Aw

At this point, no one wants to hear politicians bicker about inflation’s cause. They want to hear about how we can fix it.

President Biden recently outlined his ideas to address inflation. I support the president’s efforts, but we need a bolder vision and faster action. Ms. Lopez and my constituents expect the government to get prices back under control, and they want us to do it quickly.

To meet the moment, Mr. Biden should convene an emergency task force empowered to lower prices and address shortages. We need an all-out mobilization, not just a few ad hoc initiatives reacting to headlines. The task force should include relevant cabinet members like Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack, Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg and Secretary of Energy Jennifer Granholm. It should also have state and local officials, along with business and labor leaders from sectors experiencing significant inflation.

The most urgent goal of this task force would be to lower and stabilize short-term prices of volatile goods like food and fuel. We can do this through pre-emptive buying, a tool we’ve used since World War II. The Department of Agriculture should purchase essential food products on the global market during significant price dips, which often occur multiple times a month or even every week, and resell them cheaply to Americans. The department should contract with private wholesalers for distribution, as it has done for decades to avoid storage or logistical challenges. Because the government would be buying and selling large quantities of food when they are cheapest, this would lower and stabilize prices for key grocery store products within weeks.

LisaM

(27,800 posts)
31. Media.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:13 AM
Jun 2022

Every time I put on CNN, someone is blaming Biden for things that aren't his fault.

Given that they were the same people who propped up Trump during his early, failing, campaign in 2016, I am not surprised.

NewHendoLib

(60,013 posts)
32. non-stop right wing noise machine. Gaslighting. Propaganda.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:13 AM
Jun 2022

there's very little news any more - there's entertainment.

diehardblue

(11,001 posts)
33. I have little faith in the polls that are media generated. They are a part of the effort to
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:14 AM
Jun 2022

minimize President Biden and his administration.

inwiththenew

(972 posts)
35. It's the economy
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:16 AM
Jun 2022

Working families are being squeezed by inflation and high fuel prices. Now you can say that's not Biden's fault and it's a global problem until you are blue in the face but it will fall on deaf ears.

Was it Jimmy Carter's fault for the economic problems of the late 70s and in 1980? No. But did he pay the price for it? Absolutely he did. The sitting President owns the economy for better or worse. Same as it ever was.

haele

(12,645 posts)
36. The Media pushing a talking point. There's got to be a hero and a quick fix.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:22 AM
Jun 2022

We have to Know The Plan! It's Got to Fix the Problem Now When Real Americans are stepping the Pinch.

Biden hasn't just waved his magic wand to fix Global Inflation, price gouging, profit taking, portfolio funds and venture capital looting critical common infrastructure like housing and water rights, not to mention Billionaire hissy fits affecting markets.

In other words, the Media and various Pacs and Lobbies across the political spectrum all want Sparkle Ponies and exciting story lines, and they would rather the common Americans starve or go homeless than give up their upvotes and groupies and actually work to fix the problems.

I'm old. I do remember a time when Journalism was somewhat independent from Entertainment and when Lobbies could be negotiated with to help with long term problems. When Pork Barrel Spending in Congress actually helped bipartisanship, sure there was some fraud and waste, but there was usually more good overall than bad, and Congress actually worked for the people than for a particular Party or like now, groups of Pacs.

Haele

Not now.

minstrel76

(83 posts)
37. Blaming the sitting present for current economic troubles is nothing new in the US
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:24 AM
Jun 2022

After the crash of '29 and the onset of the Great Depression, shantytowns were commonly called "Hoovervilles", after all. Whether Herbert Hoover had anything to do with the crash or could have done anything about it was obviously irrelevant.

jcgoldie

(11,627 posts)
41. Most people are completely ignorant of politics
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:27 AM
Jun 2022

But everyone buys $5 gas. Doesn’t matter whos fault it is, blame somebody.

 

Beautiful Disaster

(667 posts)
44. There was a global economic recession in 2008 and that didn't stop Bush from getting blamed...
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:33 AM
Jun 2022

It's irrelevant if the issue is solely national or if it's global. Americans are always going to blame the president for the conditions. That's just the reality.

The good news for Biden is that there's two years for things to get worked out before it really impacts him. If gas prices go down, and inflation does as well, his numbers will rebound.

But like Obama in 2010 and Clinton in 1994, the mood of the country is not positive and unfortunately, the president, who's the face of the government, is going to get a bulk of the blame.

Caliman73

(11,727 posts)
45. People aren't feeling good about the economy and their lives. They blame whoever is in charge.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:33 AM
Jun 2022

It is that simple.

They don't care that inflation is high everywhere. They care that they are paying 5 and 6 dollars a gallon for gas. They don't care that fuel prices drive up prices on all other goods. They can buy less food for more money.

They don't care that companies are making record profits. They know their money isn't going far enough.

No one in the media is telling them about WHY things are happening, for the most part, if the media does say something, it is asking questions about what Biden is doing about the situation and "Will this hurt Biden?"

You need to understand that most people rarely even watch ANY news. They don't read the paper, they don't come on to DU. They maybe get push notifications from Twitter, but much of what the average American reads is about celebrities, sports, and maybe local issues. We have a pretty apathetic civic culture, but they do know that things do not feel right in the country right now.

MichMan

(11,900 posts)
48. So, if the media didn't mention $5 a gallon gas and high inflation, people wouldn't notice?
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:41 AM
Jun 2022

They see it for themselves every day.

 

The Protagonist

(74 posts)
61. I remember gas for $4 a gallon in 2008
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 01:04 PM
Jun 2022

So inflation adjusted, its about the same now. Do you ever hear the media point that little factoid out?

They have to paint the situation in the worse light possible to get views, drum up outrage and angst, and get ratings. They are a huge part of the problem.

jimfields33

(15,760 posts)
69. And guess what happened in November 2008?
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 03:11 PM
Jun 2022

The party in power (republicans) lost a lot senate seats (filibuster proof), lost huge in the house and lost the presidency. Not exactly a great example. I do not want that to happen in November 2022. Thank God we have the presidency for another two years.

Sympthsical

(9,067 posts)
49. Things aren't going well
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:42 AM
Jun 2022

Wait until the recession hits and the housing bubble bursts.

People largely aren't political junkies or partisans. They feel government isn't looking out for their interests at the moment. As a result, they're more inclined to change things. That's how humans have behaved for forever.

Human nature - voter nature - doesn't magically change based on who's in office. Bemoaning that is just spinning wheels. Insulting voters isn't how that gets turned around.

Only if voters see you do your damnedest to help them does the narrative shift. If they think they're being ignored or politicians don't care about what's going on with them, they won't be very loyal to you.

I think making Trump the centerpiece of our campaign at this point was a terrible calculation - and it was a calculation. These hearings should've happened a year ago. This entire summer should've been our party going, "Inflation, inflation, inflation. Here's what we're doing. We are only doing this."

Instead, we look distracted and political instead of concerned and proactive.

I know that's not at all going to be a popular opinion in a highly partisan space, but that's how I see it, what I'm hearing from the people around me, what I observe in other spaces where politics don't reign. I look at my social media, talk with friends, family, and co-workers, and they are not discussing these hearings outside of the usual highly politically interested.

They're talking about what that number at the pump looks like and how much they spent on groceries. They're talking about how much health care costs. They're talking about weather that's all messed up from climate change. They're talking about how much school for their kids is going to cost in the fall. They're talking about products they have trouble finding in stores.

People shouldn't be surprised. And grousing that voters aren't smart and don't perceive the same wonder in politicians isn't going to change things. When you want people on your side, you don't stand their and berate them and strike a superior, condescending pose.

This is like Humans 101.

Freddie

(9,258 posts)
50. I wonder how much of the negative comes from the left
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:46 AM
Jun 2022

My son, very liberal and despised TFG, is critical of Biden and wants some student loan forgiveness now. He also doesn’t get that the President can’t wave a magic wand and get the Dino Duo to cooperate and pass legislation.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
51. When times as bad, the president takes the blame.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:50 AM
Jun 2022

Whether he deserves it or not. In this case, Biden doesn’t deserve it, but people are scared and angry.

Also, Trump has campaigned on the bullshit of “only I can fix it.” Desperate people believe that, and Fox News is pounding them daily with just how much a failure Biden is.

We’re headed into some deep(er) shit.

Tommy Carcetti

(43,164 posts)
52. G-A-S.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:52 AM
Jun 2022

That's it.

Unfortunately that's the most noticeable thing for most non-politically engaged Americans, and the President has very little impact on it. But they all think he does.

MichMan

(11,900 posts)
56. Good luck convincing people of that when presidents have been blamed for it previously
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 12:05 PM
Jun 2022

There is video of Chuck Schumer holding a press conference at a gas station while blaming Trump for $3 a gallon gas in 2018.

Presidents Obama and Bush both got blamed by the opposition for high gas prices too.

Long as I can remember, politicians always take credit for things they didn't cause, and therefore shouldn't act very surprised when voters also assign them blame.

Takket

(21,550 posts)
53. Here is how to process how people assign blame
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:53 AM
Jun 2022

1. Is the president a Democrat?

If yes, it is the presidents fault. If no, it is Nancy Pelosi’s fault.

JohnSJ

(92,115 posts)
54. We are always at a disadvantage compared to republicans being polled. When AOC types are polled
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:57 AM
Jun 2022

they will answer according to their view of “the perfect”, not what can realistically be accomplished. Polled republicans do not factor that into their equation when polled.

maxsolomon

(33,279 posts)
55. There are 3 types of "disapprovers" in Biden's numbers:
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 12:00 PM
Jun 2022

1. Repukes who hate all Dems and will never approve.
2. Flibberdigibbets who think the President has a dial in the oval office that controls gas prices and inflation.
3. Progressives, typically idealist young Progressives, who think Biden can waive a magic wand and wipe out all student debt. I saw one such writer opining that Dems had done "diddly squat' for their constituents, so of course they were going to lose the House and Senate this fall.

Now, if you think I'm attacking Progressives and that violates DU rules, alert on my post.

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
57. 4
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 12:16 PM
Jun 2022

4. People who thought COVID vaccine would protect them, and they then tested positive, or even worse, got long COVID.

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
59. Democrats need to say, "Elect us and we'll fix everything."
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 12:28 PM
Jun 2022

And, “We could fix everything now if not for Republican obstruction.”

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
70. Inflation and high gas prices.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 03:13 PM
Jun 2022

That's the reason.

It being a global problem doesn't register with most people, and it isn't going to. They don't want to why the problems exist; they just want the problems to go away.

Deep State Witch

(10,421 posts)
71. People reading comments
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 03:13 PM
Jun 2022

People reading on-line comments on FB and Twitter about inflation and high gas prices being "all Biden's fault".

womanofthehills

(8,688 posts)
78. I doubt it - if a person has to drive 30 or more miles to work
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 06:59 PM
Jun 2022

They are screwed - over $100 a week or more out of their paycheck for gas plus high food prices, rents raised, etc. Most people I know are not on Twitter and the ones on Facebook post family photos. Inflation hits the poor the worst.

Seeking Serenity

(2,840 posts)
76. A couple of reasons I can think of
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 06:44 PM
Jun 2022

1) The continued existence of an organised criminal organisation that's allowed to disguise itself as a political party and to actually place its capos and soldiers on ballots as "candidates," thus robbing Democrats of places in government; and

2) The pollsters' hopelessly dishonestly framed questions: "Given that America's economic woes are President Biden's fault, how much fault do you think he bears? A) A lot; B) A whole lot; C) An enormous amount; or D) 100 percent of it"

Those are the two that leap readily to mind.

 

ReluctanceTango

(219 posts)
80. Show me the reputable poll
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 07:10 PM
Jun 2022

that phrases any of their questions in such an obviously biased way.

I'll wait.

The polls aren't the problem.

The people taking them--and those informing them--are.

Seeking Serenity

(2,840 posts)
82. I'm sorry my hyperbole re: pollsters wasn't clear as being hyperbole
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 08:42 PM
Jun 2022

Nevertheless, the point behind that accusation is that pollsters can get people to say just what they want them to say. It's all in how the questions are phrased and the answer options one is given.

I stand by my post.

Polybius

(15,367 posts)
86. No, Biden really is unpopular, that's a fact
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:16 PM
Jun 2022

I see it in my daily conversations, and many of these people voted for him. I like him though, and I'm part of the 40%.

 

ReluctanceTango

(219 posts)
77. Corporate media with standing orders to tear down Ds +
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 06:57 PM
Jun 2022

A country where the majority of citizens are not that bright, if not downright stupid

=

Low poll numbers for a D POTUS.

GoodRaisin

(8,921 posts)
81. Have you watched any Fox News lately?
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 07:27 PM
Jun 2022

I tuned in today at the top of the hour, I believe it was around one o'clock. I wanted to see how they were spinning the 1/6 committee hearings or if they were saying anything at all about it to their audience. Started off with "Joe Biden's terrible ratings and his policies are causing all the inflation" followed by "Kamala Harris' terrible job on the border" and "she never works on weekends". Those are all they talked about the first 30 minutes or so and then I shut it off. Not a word had been said about the Trump insurrection hearings.

With Fox News' lies being spewed 24/7 it's little wonder Biden's polling is being pulled down.



Polybius

(15,367 posts)
84. Gas, stocks, inflation
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:01 PM
Jun 2022

It's pretty easy actually. Most people blame the President when those three are bad, and credit him when they are good. They are obviously both times.

Polybius

(15,367 posts)
85. Why was Poppy Bush's in the high 20's in late 1992?
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:12 PM
Jun 2022

Yeah, he wasn't good, but nothing he did warranted an approval rating of 28%. Even Trump never got that low, nor did Shrub. Poppy was way better than those two.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,336 posts)
89. If Trump had been president for another term,
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:34 PM
Jun 2022

I suspect we would not be discussing it on this website at this moment..


We would have no heat, no electricity, no internet, no NOTHING.


(All it takes is one good Russian supersonic nuclear missile exploded at high altitude over North America to wipe out all of our electricity and all of our advanced electronic devices--- electromagnetic pulse, google it--- and that would be much more likely to happen with a LOUDMOUTH 'president' on Twitter, who gave no thought to tomorrow, and cared about no-one but himself, which THANK GOD, we do not have at this moment....)

When I pray, which is not that often, I thank God that he decided "to use Joe Biden"-- (as my sister justified Trump's 2016 electoral college victory..)


If Drump had been president, WORLD WAR III would have begun and ended in a psychotic Twitter rant, and many of us would have probably died in our sleep.

Septua

(2,254 posts)
90. You can't convince some people...
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:44 PM
Jun 2022

..high inflation and gas prices are global, especially when many "news" sources are saying it's worst in the US.

andym

(5,443 posts)
92. Stagflation finished off Carter, it almost finished off Reagan, so inflation will hurt Biden too
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 12:31 AM
Jun 2022

until it recedes, which requires a combination of Fed action (raising interest rates). Ukraine defeating Russia (oil prices due to sanctions) and China ending Covid lockdowns (supply chain).

Until very hawkish action by Fed Chairman Paul Volcker (appointed by Jimmy Carter in 1979) broke the inflationary cycle (after over 3 years), the economy entered the deepest recession since the Great Depression (up to that point), with high inflation and very high interest rates as well. Reagan was at 35% favorability in early 1983 because of the economy.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
93. Being a Global Problem doesn't make a difference to people
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 12:42 AM
Jun 2022

People don't think in that way.

Also crime such as the smash and grab things .

mvd

(65,169 posts)
94. Media is a big reason!
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 12:32 PM
Jun 2022

They have been horrible to the President and normalized Trump. Much of it is because the mainstream media is under big corporate control, and we all know which party favors big corporations. Take a look at the Philly Inquirer front page today. There is an AP article to the side that is a total hit piece. No rebuttal or anything. It is straight out of FAUX news.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
95. Not-too-bright left leaners being "honest about their feelings"
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 12:40 PM
Jun 2022

Anyone on the left who would say they disapprove of Biden is just blowing it for the team. There are quite a few. If they feel like they disapprove, they say so. Republicans play the game much better. No matter what they're asked, they say the thing that builds up their polling, true, false, or whatever. They don't give a crap. I respect Republicans who do that more than Dems who are "honest" with pollsters and blow it for the team.

Then, yeah, the media too. They're infected with various degrees of emotionalism and arrogance. A photo of people flooding the tarmac in the (necessary and good for America) Afghanistan withdrawal and problems in Afghanistan afterward are, from an American perspective, regrettable. From a media perspective they're something to rant about, emote about, and act as know-it-all judges over. Some haircut on a talking heads show now routinely just presumes they can judge the president on a "settled matter."

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