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fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 06:40 PM Jun 2022

One piece of evidence in the last hearing has changed everything, you can see it.

Trump knowing the crowd was armed is a game changer and has changed many peoples views, including people on Fox News.

I have always been confident people in Trumps inner circle would be indicted. The evidence against them was overwhelming from the get go. I knew indicting a former president was tricky. This new evidence is smoking gun evidence against Trump.

He knew the crowd was armed, he told them to go to the capital and fight. He did nothing to stop the attack, he didn't care if they killed Pence. Many experts are now saying Trump will be indicted, who were not saying that before the last hearing.

Justice is coming people.

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One piece of evidence in the last hearing has changed everything, you can see it. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Jun 2022 OP
pull the mags. mopinko Jun 2022 #1
Thanks I forgot about that. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #3
For that to happen also implicates his SS detail. liberal N proud Jun 2022 #19
Biden, very wisely, swapped out all the dumb donnie SS guys. dhol82 Jun 2022 #24
Not sure The Bopper Jul 2022 #60
That's not good. dhol82 Jul 2022 #61
But is he in the Presidential detail? liberal N proud Jul 2022 #62
Arguably the SS is already implicated in Mike Pence's story. Gore1FL Jul 2022 #59
I thought he was talking about mags at the White House rally FakeNoose Jun 2022 #33
That's how I see it too. Novara Jul 2022 #45
Absolutely right nt Unwind Your Mind Jul 2022 #47
"They're not here to hurt me." BOOM! calimary Jun 2022 #38
Gun Nuts are multigraincracker Jun 2022 #2
We all knew it but we didn't have the proof. Now we do and so does Garland. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #4
Absolutely. Too much attention on temper tantrums. Not enough on the actual plan Raven123 Jun 2022 #5
But the 'temper tantrums' MyOwnPeace Jun 2022 #8
Hey, whatever works! calimary Jun 2022 #39
I think it will get even worse. Future hearings will show spooky3 Jun 2022 #6
IMO, he was waiting for the rioters to EndlessWire Jun 2022 #7
You may be right. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #9
As bizarre and disgusting as that 'thought' is MyOwnPeace Jun 2022 #10
As bizarre and disgusting as that 'thought' is MyOwnPeace Jun 2022 #11
Right and that thought bears repeating! Ligyron Jun 2022 #37
😄 R. P. McMurphy Jul 2022 #44
Yup, the guy is evil thru and thru. Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #15
Agree. It wasn't that he "didn't care"--he cared, and spooky3 Jun 2022 #17
this one would love to know who built the gallows and the hangmans noose. AllaN01Bear Jul 2022 #58
Goal posts moved Nevilledog Jun 2022 #12
Fuck Hannity, or maybe not. Yuck Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #14
I really think the J6 committee has the goods on this. DLCWIdem Jul 2022 #52
Totally agree. This traitor is toast. Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #13
He is going to solitary confinement in a super max ! cloudboy07 Jun 2022 #16
Call me cyincal but, Mr. Evil Jun 2022 #18
I agree. oldsoftie Jun 2022 #29
My Rep Elise Stefanik mgardener Jun 2022 #20
They need a big turn by Meadows or Cipollone RANDYWILDMAN Jun 2022 #21
I'm betting that trump announces his candidacy on July 4th... Mozeltov Cocktail Jun 2022 #22
I was thinking the same EXACT thing johnnyfins Jun 2022 #27
Yep, and he'll claim he's being patriotic 🤮 Mozeltov Cocktail Jun 2022 #31
That's a whole lotta savin', know'm say'n? Iggo Jul 2022 #43
well, that would let garland off the hoook orleans Jun 2022 #35
That sounds like a line of thinking he would entertain misanthrope Jun 2022 #40
I'd like to think that such a cheap trick wouldn't work but who the hell knows anymore with our LymphocyteLover Jul 2022 #56
Trump knew well in advance they were coming armed. Ford_Prefect Jun 2022 #23
Flynn needs to go to jail johnnyfins Jun 2022 #28
Any prosecutors out there? Talk me down from this thought. lastlib Jun 2022 #25
Not talking you down, gab13by13 Jun 2022 #30
That would make for a hung jury, which is not satisfying..... lastlib Jun 2022 #32
That has been on my mind as well misanthrope Jun 2022 #41
If its only 1 or 2 DLCWIdem Jul 2022 #51
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2022 #26
We recognized this during yesterday's bombshell hearing malaise Jun 2022 #34
Smoking gun? 90-percent Jun 2022 #36
But "did he reach for the steering wheel!?" budkin Jun 2022 #42
Also, the brand of ketchup!!1!!1 Scrivener7 Jul 2022 #53
If the orange idiot is ever on trial Stratman Jul 2022 #46
It is what his fascist followers are waiting for, the green light. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2022 #63
As I said before, "Trump doesn't have a clue." but when indicted, it will be all over for Donnie Stuart G Jul 2022 #48
can we finally Riverman100 Jul 2022 #49
There may be 1 or 2 or 3 "G. Godon Liddy's" SayItLoud Jul 2022 #50
The lack of an impartial jury The Wizard Jul 2022 #54
BUT WHY DID HE WANT ANTIFA ARMED? LymphocyteLover Jul 2022 #55
Instead of calling up National Guard for backup to control armed mob he incited crowd to violence wishstar Jul 2022 #57

mopinko

(70,077 posts)
1. pull the mags.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 06:44 PM
Jun 2022

that right there. yes, they're not here to hurt ME.
nobody doesnt follow that thought w- then who?

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
3. Thanks I forgot about that.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 06:52 PM
Jun 2022

This is smoking gun evidence. This shows Trump intent, his prior knowledge of what was planned, what was going on. This evidence is getting close to seditious conspiracy among other potential charges.

dhol82

(9,352 posts)
24. Biden, very wisely, swapped out all the dumb donnie SS guys.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:28 PM
Jun 2022

Shall we say for …….. lack of confidence?

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
62. But is he in the Presidential detail?
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 08:01 PM
Jul 2022

Secret Service extends past protection of the President
The deal with counterfeiting and protection of foreign dignitaries even a branch at the UN

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
59. Arguably the SS is already implicated in Mike Pence's story.
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 05:29 PM
Jul 2022

He sure didn't trust them. I don't believe he was there alone in that trust vacuum.

FakeNoose

(32,630 posts)
33. I thought he was talking about mags at the White House rally
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 09:02 PM
Jun 2022

Chump didn't have any say about the Capitol Police, but he did have control over the White House security detail. He wanted the ChumpHumpers who were hiding their gunz inside their jackets to be allowed into the rally at the White House. After they left the White House grounds they would then head straight to the Capitol - still armed to the teeth.

But I don't know, maybe I'm reading this wrong. I wasn't there on Jan. 6th, thank God.

Novara

(5,840 posts)
45. That's how I see it too.
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 09:27 AM
Jul 2022

He was whining about crowd size (sorry, Donnie, it's not a substitute for your penis size) and wanted the armed mob to be able to come closer to the stage to make the crowd size look bigger. He knew they were hanging back because they were armed. He wanted to take the mags down because he was sure they wouldn't be pointing their AR15s at him. He also knew they then would go - armed - to the Capitol because he told them to go. He sent an armed mob to the Capitol.

THAT'S the story. Not the ketchup, not grabbing steering wheels. He purposely and knowingly sent an armed violent mob to the Capitol.

We need to keep talking about this.

calimary

(81,211 posts)
38. "They're not here to hurt me." BOOM!
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:35 PM
Jun 2022

JEEPERS!!!

Boy does THAT speak volumes!

Six little words that were/are almost literally earth-shaking!

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
8. But the 'temper tantrums'
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:11 PM
Jun 2022

opened the eyes to a ‘few’ more (yeah, I know, what cave have they been living in?) and his ‘support sinks lower, and lower, and even LOWER as WE drain the swamp!

calimary

(81,211 posts)
39. Hey, whatever works!
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:37 PM
Jun 2022

At this point, any breakthrough is something to celebrate, and something to build upon!

spooky3

(34,438 posts)
6. I think it will get even worse. Future hearings will show
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:00 PM
Jun 2022

How he behaved while the insurrection continued and police were being killed and injured. And that’s just one example.

EndlessWire

(6,509 posts)
7. IMO, he was waiting for the rioters to
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:04 PM
Jun 2022

catch and hang Pence, maybe Pelosi. Then he could have declared martial law.

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
10. As bizarre and disgusting as that 'thought' is
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:15 PM
Jun 2022

I have every reason to believe that that is EXACTLY what that evil bastard wanted!


MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
11. As bizarre and disgusting as that 'thought' is
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:15 PM
Jun 2022

I have every reason to believe that that is EXACTLY what that evil bastard wanted!


spooky3

(34,438 posts)
17. Agree. It wasn't that he "didn't care"--he cared, and
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:42 PM
Jun 2022

WANTED the mob to rampage. Surely there are serious felonies involved, if they can be proved.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
52. I really think the J6 committee has the goods on this.
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 12:38 PM
Jul 2022

You know the poker term "the nuts" I think they have the nuts.

Mr. Evil

(2,839 posts)
18. Call me cyincal but,
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:46 PM
Jun 2022

I think they're going to only go after the low hanging fruit. The sacrificial lambs, thinking that will suffice. Don't get me wrong. I sincerely hope Garland stands tall and throws the book at TFG and Meadows. But, I'm not going to jump with joy and glee until I actually hear about the indictments.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,668 posts)
21. They need a big turn by Meadows or Cipollone
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:11 PM
Jun 2022

otherwise it's still on Eastman and maybe Rudy and maybe Meadows. One of these guys will have to have turned or Jeff Clark is dumber then we thought and kept a master plan signed off on by Trump on his Iphone.

Trump is guilty is fuck. But Doj is beyond reticent to prosecute a former president even when he is guilty and he is guilty as sin.

orleans

(34,049 posts)
35. well, that would let garland off the hoook
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 09:23 PM
Jun 2022

i mean, who wants to prosecute a former president & current candidate?
& it would buy trump a few more years to keep skating

LymphocyteLover

(5,643 posts)
56. I'd like to think that such a cheap trick wouldn't work but who the hell knows anymore with our
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 01:51 PM
Jul 2022

justice system

Ford_Prefect

(7,886 posts)
23. Trump knew well in advance they were coming armed.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:27 PM
Jun 2022

He told them to do it. His closest advisers knew he had done that. Some of them helped coordinate the attack. It looks as though Mike Flynn has some splainin' to do. It seems that Mark Meadows may need to clarify a few things.

...And when all is explained, said, and done these guys and a few more will discover the joys of wearing Orange and having 3 squares at government expense.

Donny thought he was gonna lead the charge and watch the U.S. Congress burn and die. That was the plan. He still believes it could happen again and keeps stirring the troops to prepare for action.

lastlib

(23,209 posts)
25. Any prosecutors out there? Talk me down from this thought.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:36 PM
Jun 2022

I'm convinced that the evidence is there to put TFG in the hoosegow for a LOT of years. The one thought that keeps tormenting me is, assuming he is indicted, how the hell will they be able to impanel an "impartial" jury to conduct a trial?? You could call a million jurors, and still have trouble finding twelve that would be impartial in a trial.

Not that I really WANT an impartial jury--I want one that will convict him, but that won't pass judicial muster. And I seriously don't want the charges dismissed on these grounds.

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
30. Not talking you down,
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:57 PM
Jun 2022

A poll just taken shows 31% believe Trump did nothing wrong. 31% is a big enough number to get a Magat or 2 on the jury.

lastlib

(23,209 posts)
32. That would make for a hung jury, which is not satisfying.....
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 09:01 PM
Jun 2022

If he's tried in DC for J6, I don't think you'll find anywhere near that number of MAGAts. (I could be wrong....) But yeah, they could still find a few.

This is giving me nightmares.

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
41. That has been on my mind as well
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 11:03 PM
Jun 2022

It would be hell trying to seat a jury for this. His followers are most likely to lie about their knowledge and feelings in order to monkey wrench things.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
51. If its only 1 or 2
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 12:35 PM
Jul 2022

Voir dire should take care of that. They crazy shines through they can't help themselves

Stratman

(11 posts)
46. If the orange idiot is ever on trial
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 09:32 AM
Jul 2022

I would love to see a moment like the one from A Few Good Men where he loses it on the stand and says something to the effect of “I called my beautiful mob to the capitol to seize control because I’m the president”

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
63. It is what his fascist followers are waiting for, the green light.
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 01:16 PM
Jul 2022

He wont need it now though, or the GOP wont.

When the liars on the SC do what they are going to do with the NC elections case, America will be done.

My friends and I are already discussing what we will do at that point to survive.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
48. As I said before, "Trump doesn't have a clue." but when indicted, it will be all over for Donnie
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 10:37 AM
Jul 2022

That means a ...TRIAL!...not a resignation like Nixon..but a .."TRIAL"!!!!

Will the trial be legit? You had better believe it.

Did Trump commit crimes?..You can believe that too.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
50. There may be 1 or 2 or 3 "G. Godon Liddy's"
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 11:15 AM
Jul 2022

willing to take a fall for traitor tRUMP but there are many MANY more who will NOT take that fall and who substantiate and add to the evidence of his treason.

The Wizard

(12,541 posts)
54. The lack of an impartial jury
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 01:37 PM
Jul 2022

makes a trial impossible. There will always be one who will refuse to convict because there's no stained blue dress .

wishstar

(5,268 posts)
57. Instead of calling up National Guard for backup to control armed mob he incited crowd to violence
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 01:57 PM
Jul 2022

He and his security people and WH aides did nothing to make sure law enforcement could control and disarm those in the crowd.

I wonder if some of those with AR-15's held back near the Capitol waiting for him to come to Capitol and issue them more instructions before they went ballistic but he didn't get there and didn't say anything more until his email about Mike Pence. Or else they were confronted by some DC police and headed off from Capitol before a shooting rampage occurred. I know the DC police made many arrests and confiscated weapons prior to the Jan 6 ellipse rally including van loads of weapons that came in a day or two earlier.

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