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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOne piece of evidence in the last hearing has changed everything, you can see it.
Trump knowing the crowd was armed is a game changer and has changed many peoples views, including people on Fox News.
I have always been confident people in Trumps inner circle would be indicted. The evidence against them was overwhelming from the get go. I knew indicting a former president was tricky. This new evidence is smoking gun evidence against Trump.
He knew the crowd was armed, he told them to go to the capital and fight. He did nothing to stop the attack, he didn't care if they killed Pence. Many experts are now saying Trump will be indicted, who were not saying that before the last hearing.
Justice is coming people.
mopinko
(70,077 posts)that right there. yes, they're not here to hurt ME.
nobody doesnt follow that thought w- then who?
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)This is smoking gun evidence. This shows Trump intent, his prior knowledge of what was planned, what was going on. This evidence is getting close to seditious conspiracy among other potential charges.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)dhol82
(9,352 posts)Shall we say for .. lack of confidence?
I believe I read where the Ornato guy is still in the Secret service.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)Hope he was checked out very thoroughly.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Secret Service extends past protection of the President
The deal with counterfeiting and protection of foreign dignitaries even a branch at the UN
Gore1FL
(21,127 posts)He sure didn't trust them. I don't believe he was there alone in that trust vacuum.
FakeNoose
(32,630 posts)Chump didn't have any say about the Capitol Police, but he did have control over the White House security detail. He wanted the ChumpHumpers who were hiding their gunz inside their jackets to be allowed into the rally at the White House. After they left the White House grounds they would then head straight to the Capitol - still armed to the teeth.
But I don't know, maybe I'm reading this wrong. I wasn't there on Jan. 6th, thank God.
Novara
(5,840 posts)He was whining about crowd size (sorry, Donnie, it's not a substitute for your penis size) and wanted the armed mob to be able to come closer to the stage to make the crowd size look bigger. He knew they were hanging back because they were armed. He wanted to take the mags down because he was sure they wouldn't be pointing their AR15s at him. He also knew they then would go - armed - to the Capitol because he told them to go. He sent an armed mob to the Capitol.
THAT'S the story. Not the ketchup, not grabbing steering wheels. He purposely and knowingly sent an armed violent mob to the Capitol.
We need to keep talking about this.
Unwind Your Mind
(2,041 posts)calimary
(81,211 posts)JEEPERS!!!
Boy does THAT speak volumes!
Six little words that were/are almost literally earth-shaking!
multigraincracker
(32,673 posts)his base. He knew days ahead.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)Raven123
(4,828 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,925 posts)opened the eyes to a few more (yeah, I know, what cave have they been living in?) and his support sinks lower, and lower, and even LOWER as WE drain the swamp!
calimary
(81,211 posts)At this point, any breakthrough is something to celebrate, and something to build upon!
spooky3
(34,438 posts)How he behaved while the insurrection continued and police were being killed and injured. And thats just one example.
EndlessWire
(6,509 posts)catch and hang Pence, maybe Pelosi. Then he could have declared martial law.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,925 posts)I have every reason to believe that that is EXACTLY what that evil bastard wanted!
MyOwnPeace
(16,925 posts)I have every reason to believe that that is EXACTLY what that evil bastard wanted!
Ligyron
(7,627 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,416 posts)spooky3
(34,438 posts)WANTED the mob to rampage. Surely there are serious felonies involved, if they can be proved.
AllaN01Bear
(18,150 posts)Nevilledog
(51,079 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,416 posts)DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)You know the poker term "the nuts" I think they have the nuts.
Joinfortmill
(14,416 posts)cloudboy07
(351 posts)Mr. Evil
(2,839 posts)I think they're going to only go after the low hanging fruit. The sacrificial lambs, thinking that will suffice. Don't get me wrong. I sincerely hope Garland stands tall and throws the book at TFG and Meadows. But, I'm not going to jump with joy and glee until I actually hear about the indictments.
oldsoftie
(12,531 posts)mgardener
(1,816 posts)Was pregnant.
Yet she still supports him.
RANDYWILDMAN
(2,668 posts)otherwise it's still on Eastman and maybe Rudy and maybe Meadows. One of these guys will have to have turned or Jeff Clark is dumber then we thought and kept a master plan signed off on by Trump on his Iphone.
Trump is guilty is fuck. But Doj is beyond reticent to prosecute a former president even when he is guilty and he is guilty as sin.
Mozeltov Cocktail
(200 posts)johnnyfins
(816 posts)It's his last ditch effort to save his own ass...eeew
Mozeltov Cocktail
(200 posts)Iggo
(47,549 posts)orleans
(34,049 posts)i mean, who wants to prosecute a former president & current candidate?
& it would buy trump a few more years to keep skating
misanthrope
(7,411 posts)Get ready America.
LymphocyteLover
(5,643 posts)justice system
Ford_Prefect
(7,886 posts)He told them to do it. His closest advisers knew he had done that. Some of them helped coordinate the attack. It looks as though Mike Flynn has some splainin' to do. It seems that Mark Meadows may need to clarify a few things.
...And when all is explained, said, and done these guys and a few more will discover the joys of wearing Orange and having 3 squares at government expense.
Donny thought he was gonna lead the charge and watch the U.S. Congress burn and die. That was the plan. He still believes it could happen again and keeps stirring the troops to prepare for action.
johnnyfins
(816 posts)White Supremacist fuck
lastlib
(23,209 posts)I'm convinced that the evidence is there to put TFG in the hoosegow for a LOT of years. The one thought that keeps tormenting me is, assuming he is indicted, how the hell will they be able to impanel an "impartial" jury to conduct a trial?? You could call a million jurors, and still have trouble finding twelve that would be impartial in a trial.
Not that I really WANT an impartial jury--I want one that will convict him, but that won't pass judicial muster. And I seriously don't want the charges dismissed on these grounds.
gab13by13
(21,304 posts)A poll just taken shows 31% believe Trump did nothing wrong. 31% is a big enough number to get a Magat or 2 on the jury.
lastlib
(23,209 posts)If he's tried in DC for J6, I don't think you'll find anywhere near that number of MAGAts. (I could be wrong....) But yeah, they could still find a few.
This is giving me nightmares.
misanthrope
(7,411 posts)It would be hell trying to seat a jury for this. His followers are most likely to lie about their knowledge and feelings in order to monkey wrench things.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)Voir dire should take care of that. They crazy shines through they can't help themselves
H2O Man
(73,534 posts)Absolutely.
malaise
(268,925 posts)That was HUGE!
90-percent
(6,829 posts)more like a bullet engraved with a return address.
-90% Jimmy
budkin
(6,699 posts)It all hinges on that!!!
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)Stratman
(11 posts)I would love to see a moment like the one from A Few Good Men where he loses it on the stand and says something to the effect of I called my beautiful mob to the capitol to seize control because Im the president
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)He wont need it now though, or the GOP wont.
When the liars on the SC do what they are going to do with the NC elections case, America will be done.
My friends and I are already discussing what we will do at that point to survive.
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)That means a ...TRIAL!...not a resignation like Nixon..but a .."TRIAL"!!!!
Will the trial be legit? You had better believe it.
Did Trump commit crimes?..You can believe that too.
Riverman100
(275 posts)Jail this filthy pig?
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)willing to take a fall for traitor tRUMP but there are many MANY more who will NOT take that fall and who substantiate and add to the evidence of his treason.
The Wizard
(12,541 posts)makes a trial impossible. There will always be one who will refuse to convict because there's no stained blue dress .
LymphocyteLover
(5,643 posts)wishstar
(5,268 posts)He and his security people and WH aides did nothing to make sure law enforcement could control and disarm those in the crowd.
I wonder if some of those with AR-15's held back near the Capitol waiting for him to come to Capitol and issue them more instructions before they went ballistic but he didn't get there and didn't say anything more until his email about Mike Pence. Or else they were confronted by some DC police and headed off from Capitol before a shooting rampage occurred. I know the DC police made many arrests and confiscated weapons prior to the Jan 6 ellipse rally including van loads of weapons that came in a day or two earlier.