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Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:19 PM

Supreme Court just announced they're ending Democracy next year

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/06/supreme-court-dangerous-independent-state-legislature-theory.html

They're taking an election-law case that would give legislatures the power to control all elections, meaning any Republican state can just block Democratic wins with zero consequences.

It will effectively end voting rights.

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Reply Supreme Court just announced they're ending Democracy next year (Original post)
Marius25 Jun 2022 OP
RKP5637 Jun 2022 #1
Bluethroughu Jun 2022 #2
RKP5637 Jun 2022 #4
Bluethroughu Jun 2022 #5
Haggard Celine Jun 2022 #6
Cosmocat Jun 2022 #9
Haggard Celine Jun 2022 #15
relayerbob Jun 2022 #11
Initech Jun 2022 #38
Demovictory9 Jun 2022 #3
In It to Win It Jun 2022 #16
cloudboy07 Jun 2022 #18
Demovictory9 Jun 2022 #27
Kaleva Jun 2022 #7
LeftInTX Jun 2022 #12
Celerity Jun 2022 #32
not fooled Jun 2022 #14
NewEnglandAutumn Jun 2022 #8
relayerbob Jun 2022 #13
SCantiGOP Jun 2022 #25
LeftInTX Jun 2022 #10
gab13by13 Jun 2022 #17
onenote Jun 2022 #35
FakeNoose Jun 2022 #19
kentuck Jun 2022 #22
CaptainTruth Jun 2022 #23
FakeNoose Jun 2022 #26
LeftInTX Jun 2022 #33
Mr. Evil Jun 2022 #20
Takket Jun 2022 #21
OMGWTF Jun 2022 #24
TheBlackAdder Jun 2022 #28
Upthevibe Jun 2022 #29
Marius25 Jul 2022 #39
Upthevibe Jul 2022 #40
budkin Jun 2022 #30
Meowmee Jun 2022 #31
dalton99a Jun 2022 #34
vercetti2021 Jun 2022 #36
867-5309. Jun 2022 #37

Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:27 PM

1. It feels like SCOTUS is trying to instigate a civil a war of sorts. Disgusting! n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:32 PM

2. It looks like the SCOTUS is working against the security of the US.

That would be Subverting or Sedition depending if they were acting alone or part of a conspiracy. Let's ask Ginny.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:34 PM

4. The potential is horrific ... n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:37 PM

5. Full fascism, with no way out but civil war.

They are going to pass it because they want a civil war so the kochs can install themselves as king.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:44 PM

6. Yes it does look that way.

If the Court votes that legislatures can overturn democratic elections, it will be a constitutional crisis. The Executive branch would have the right to arrest the Justices who voted for the nullification of elections. The Congress and the courts gave the Executive that power for handling threats to our government. Congress would have the right to impeach them. If the country.isn't already at war by then, it will be soon after.

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Response to Haggard Celine (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:20 PM

9. Even if this would be the case

We can't even get the DOJ to charge the ring leaders of Jan 6, expand the SC, etc.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:27 PM

15. It's about time for DOJ to charge some people.

All of this evidence is coming out for the world to see, and people are going to expect action very soon. If it isn't forthcoming, Biden needs to replace some people at Justice. I'm hoping that they've been waiting for the J6 Committee to show its cards before they act, but if it's clear that they aren't doing anything, then it's past time for them to be replaced.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:21 PM

11. Nah. They have figured out they are the leaders for life

They don't care who is President or in Congress. They are the ruling junta and they figure there's not much we can do about it. No need for a civil war, they already have siezed power. While we were all watching Trump's asinine attempt at a coup. they actually accomplished it.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 11:05 PM

38. It really does, doesn't it?

Civil War with a possible liberal genocide attached to it. This SCOTUS is setting this country off on an extremely dark and dangerous path. Aided and abetted by Fox News and Vladimir Putin. I have no doubt if these fuckheads were to get back into power that they'd go full Nazi. It seems like we're entering uncharted territory here.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:33 PM

3. No need for arguments. We know how they will vote

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:30 PM

16. Yup. Making them submit briefs for nothing

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Response to In It to Win It (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:38 PM

18. the only brief's they can submit is jockey short's ---

 

hope it's fruit of the loom !

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Response to cloudboy07 (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 09:17 PM

27. Lol 😀

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:58 PM

7. What will you be doing in preparation for the end of democracy?

Are you just going to accept it and go about your life as if nothing changed?

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:21 PM

12. What can we do?

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:24 PM

32. If this actually happens, plus the Rethugs win/cheat/steal the POTUS and both chambers of Congress

in 2024, then the Blue States need to start to draw up secession papers. The Union is, at that point, null and void, is NOT coming back (to think it could be repaired without kinetic action would be to suffer from a most extreme case of normalcy bias-driven self-delusion), and the Blue States who chose secession rather than life under the whip hand of a Gilead style christofash authoritarian nightmare need to gird their loins for possible kinetic war. Biden is hopefully already at work coming up with a plan for the US nuclear stockpile. A huge inflection point will come when the Armed Forces decide which side they fall on.

Hard times, hard times I am afraid.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:24 PM

14. I'm leaving the country

along with many others.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:18 PM

8. I would like t see some lawsuits

class-action ones TFG is violating the rights of voters by undermining our elections without any evidence and diluting the value of votes
also the time to try to sue the SC Justices for lying under oath and if necessary take a human rights case to The Hague.

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Response to NewEnglandAutumn (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:22 PM

13. The US is not a member of the International Court

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Response to NewEnglandAutumn (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 09:17 PM

25. If you wanted to sue the Supreme Court, the case would be heard

by the Supreme Court.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:20 PM

10. I wish we could get rid of them

We're living in a dictatorship

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:37 PM

17. Samuel Alito is the acting Chief Justice,

the arrogant racist, Nazi, fuck face, mouthed "not true" at the SOTU when President Obama said that Citizens United would allow unlimited dark money into politics.

We need to keep the House and expand the Senate and then expand the court to 13 justices. A very tall order.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:38 PM

35. Nonsense. Neither Alito or Thomas are the de facto Chief Justice.

Alito is all the things you describe except that he's not the "acting" Chief Justice -- by which I presume you mean "de facto" -- Chief Justice.

During the just completed term, which Justice authored the most majority opinions? Roberts. Which Justice was in the majority the most: Roberts. Alito not only authored fewer majority opinions than Roberts, he authored fewer than Gorsuch and Sotomayor. And among the Republicans on the court, only Gorsuch and Thomas were in the majority fewer times than Alito. Roberts and Kavanaugh were in the majority 95 percent of the time, and Barrett was close behind at 93 percent. In contrast, Alito was in the majority only 86 percent of the time (with with Thomas at 81 percent and Gorsuch at 78%)

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:41 PM

19. I don't understand why they agreed to hear this case

All the other state election disputes have been kicked back to the states by SCOTUS. They don't overturn rulings by state supreme or appellate courts. Well maybe they have occasionally but it doesn't happen very often. More to the point, it hasn't happened with THIS bench that we have right now. They have refused to take cases, or they have ruled in favor of the state supremes every time.

But now suddenly - they've made an about turn. What the FUCK is going on at the US Supreme Court?
This isn't funny, guys!

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:54 PM

22. Just my opinion...

...From my conspiratorial mind.

They are telling the DOJ that they may want to think twice on whether or not to pursue the investigation of "fake " electors. After all, the Court can change that rule very easily, they hint. More than hint, they are saying it out loud.

The Court is showing its political side.

It's a threat to the Executive Branch and the DOJ, in my opinion.

The majority of the Supreme Court has joined the cult of lies.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 09:11 PM

23. Agreed. Everyone seems to think they know how SCOTUS will rule but I'm not so sure.

As you say they've supported state supreme court authority to interpret state constitutions & state laws, & to throw that out, along with throwing out a fundamental & essential part of our democratic election process, seems like a bridge too far even for this court.

My gut feeling is they will say the independent state legislature doctrine is BS, they'll reaffirm federalism, & reaffirm the authority of state constitutions & state supreme courts in matters of state law.

I hope I'm not wrong!!!

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Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 09:17 PM

26. Thanks for a level-headed reply, my friend

I sincerely hope you are correct.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:25 PM

33. Barrett may have been sitting on the sidelines in 2020

That's all I can think of

Then they saw all these horrific laws passed in 2121 and thought, "Hey this is cool! Let's burn it all down along with them!"

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:42 PM

20. Well, there is one thing

if civil war breaks out. We know where they live.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:46 PM

21. this is why drumpf sent the terrorists to the capital on jan 6........

He wanted the state legislatures to throw out the results, based on this premise, but he needed more time. (Recall he keeps talking about Pence "sending it back to the states" )

The states were telling him their hands were tied, even if he had proof (which he didn't).

This case is about paving the way to make sure if drumpf loses again in 2024, that the red state legislatures have the power to install him anyway. They just have to say "uh, fraud and stuff, i guess" and throw out whatever they need to throw out. of course that works both ways, blue states can do that too. Voting results would be nothing more than a "suggestion" to the state legislature on who THEY should declare the winner. Review and certification by canvassers actually familiar with the process and results would mean nothing anymore.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 09:16 PM

24. 21 small population states have fewer people than California; ergo, 42 senators vs. 2 in CA

HOW THE FK IS THAT FAIR????

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 09:54 PM

28. Every country in the world is watching democracy die. Fascism will reign worldwide.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 09:55 PM

29. They've adjourned for this session and I guess they come back in October, 2022

Your headline read....."next year". Is that in 2023?

If we pick up a significant number of seats in the House and the Senate, we would have a lot more power (I.E. expanding the court and yes I know that President Biden is saying he doesn't want to expand the court but I think his wishes could change).

Please let me know if they're saying in 2023....Thank you...

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Response to Upthevibe (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 10:21 AM

39. Yes. This term is basically over. The Moore v. Harper case would be

decided next June, 2023.

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #39)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 12:33 PM

40. Marius25....

Thank you.....That gives me a little relief because we may be able to do something.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 09:58 PM

30. They know the majority of this country disagrees with them

And this is the only way they can ensure power.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:15 PM

31. As others said

We are living under the tyranny of the corrupt sc.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:30 PM

34. "Vote all you want, but we get to decide"

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:49 PM

36. Then let's go to war

Only way we can even save our nation. Embodying the spirit of Ukraine

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2022, 10:56 PM

37. Damn I thought this was The Onion

 

I should know anything goes now.

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