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A WOW type picture of "lake" Mead (Original Post) packman Jul 2022 OP
I saw in 1983 or 84. Drastic change. nt Ilsa Jul 2022 #1
Ships and bodies are being uncovered Bayard Jul 2022 #2
There is more "wow" coming. roamer65 Jul 2022 #3
So, like, when does Las Vegas go dark? Brother Buzz Jul 2022 #4
I bet those Nuke power plants are a good bet now Vegas packman Jul 2022 #5
How would that work... 2naSalit Jul 2022 #7
Good point - Solar power??? packman Jul 2022 #8
Yeah, solar and some wind. 2naSalit Jul 2022 #10
They already have a few large solar plants. tinrobot Jul 2022 #15
These facilities have had a rough start caraher Jul 2022 #25
I've seen them from the air... 2naSalit Jul 2022 #36
Or just Bulldoze Vegas Lil Liberal Laura Jul 2022 #43
What water is left needs to be for drinking Traildogbob Jul 2022 #19
I've noticed over the past two years.... SergeStorms Jul 2022 #24
Me too. Traildogbob Jul 2022 #28
Exactly. 2naSalit Jul 2022 #35
Ban desert Golf Courses Traildogbob Jul 2022 #39
Yep. SergeStorms Jul 2022 #40
during the first quarter of a Raiders-Broncos game? lastlib Jul 2022 #6
It doesn't go dark. former9thward Jul 2022 #46
I know, but don't blow the myth Brother Buzz Jul 2022 #48
As Ron Johnson might ask: What's your point? LakeArenal Jul 2022 #9
But one entire party & a majority on SCOTUS don't want to do anything about climate change. CrispyQ Jul 2022 #11
It's probably already too late Kaleva Jul 2022 #14
Agreed, but I try not to show my total pessimism on the topic. CrispyQ Jul 2022 #16
I look at it as something we can't prevent but I can do my best to adapt. Kaleva Jul 2022 #17
It's not too late to prevent a worse-case scenario of 4 Celsius increase. Elessar Zappa Jul 2022 #31
True Kaleva Jul 2022 #45
I'm amazed Hoover Dam still works. amb123 Jul 2022 #12
At approximately 950 ft power generation stops. roamer65 Jul 2022 #13
I believe that when it hits VGNonly Jul 2022 #34
It's already at 60% power generation newdayneeded Jul 2022 #41
Around 950 they have to definitely start shutting off the turbines. roamer65 Jul 2022 #50
Update from a LV resident on Youtube Trailrider1951 Jul 2022 #18
It is interesting- but why are they still allowing boats to launch? MissB Jul 2022 #23
Vegas is not screwed. former9thward Jul 2022 #47
Wow. Not good. nt SunSeeker Jul 2022 #27
Thank you for sharing these videos. StarryNite Jul 2022 #29
OMG 😳 😳 😳 that is so scary, I wonder if the water level will EVER return in our lifetime?? a kennedy Jul 2022 #20
And an update Trailrider1951 Jul 2022 #21
There is a B-29 Superfortress at the bottom of that lake IronLionZion Jul 2022 #22
Mead Pond...nt Wounded Bear Jul 2022 #26
When I was there May2010, VGNonly Jul 2022 #30
some people: IcyPeas Jul 2022 #32
It pointedly illustrates our need to Torchlight Jul 2022 #33
We should have listened to Jimmy Carter Mysterian Jul 2022 #37
Reminds me of the pandemic gulliver Jul 2022 #38
I've even heard newdayneeded Jul 2022 #42
Yup, "dead pool". roamer65 Jul 2022 #49
Does not bode well They_Live Jul 2022 #44

2naSalit

(86,535 posts)
10. Yeah, solar and some wind.
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 12:42 PM
Jul 2022

But it should be more of a point source orientation rather than coating the desert with glass.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
25. These facilities have had a rough start
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 03:13 PM
Jul 2022
Crescent Dunes is now running at around half power and was shut down completely for several years. The original operator went bankrupt, it never consistently produced the expected power, and there have been problems with leaks in the molten salt system.

Obviously there are significant solar resources available in the area, but the particular technology has proven a challenge to implement.

2naSalit

(86,535 posts)
36. I've seen them from the air...
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 05:01 PM
Jul 2022

And as I said, they need to invest on point source generation. Generate the power where it will be used.

Traildogbob

(8,714 posts)
19. What water is left needs to be for drinking
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 02:29 PM
Jul 2022

Not Permanently poisoned with radiation. Food needs a lot to grow as well.

SergeStorms

(19,193 posts)
24. I've noticed over the past two years....
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 03:03 PM
Jul 2022

the size of Honeydew Melons grown in the southwest has dropped substantially.

Three years ago the melons were like bowling balls. Last year they were the size of cantaloupes. This year they're the size of softballs, and I'm not kidding. No one is buying them. At $5 apiece you can't blame them.

I think agriculture in the southwest is in serious jeopardy. It may never recover.

Traildogbob

(8,714 posts)
28. Me too.
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 03:55 PM
Jul 2022

Southwest and Cali feed the nation. Or use too. They may start hoarding taking care of their own.

Traildogbob

(8,714 posts)
39. Ban desert Golf Courses
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 05:08 PM
Jul 2022

It’s not like you can’t find other places to play. Hell, I live in Rural back asswards WNC. This county has 5. Mostly for rich ass Summer home part time residents and rich tourists. They don’t give a damn about water needs of the people the actually live here. We should outlaw all golf courses owned or affiliated with a treasonous shit stain hell bent on destroying our country.

former9thward

(31,980 posts)
46. It doesn't go dark.
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 09:04 PM
Jul 2022

LV does not get its main energy from the Hoover Dam. It uses natural gas electricity generation.

Brother Buzz

(36,416 posts)
48. I know, but don't blow the myth
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 10:04 PM
Jul 2022

Up until a few short years ago NV Energy was burning some of the dirtiest cheapest coal known to man, shipped in from Wyoming, to produce their electricity; fracking changed that game real quick.

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
11. But one entire party & a majority on SCOTUS don't want to do anything about climate change.
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 12:45 PM
Jul 2022

There was a movement to drain Powell into Mead, but I don't know where that's at. That was a crime, flooding Glen Canyon.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
14. It's probably already too late
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 01:36 PM
Jul 2022

"'It's now or never': World's top climate scientists issue ultimatum on critical temperature limit"

"The highly anticipated report, delayed slightly due to last-minute disputes over the exact wording of the document, says curbing global heating to 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels would require greenhouse gas emissions to peak before 2025 at the latest.

At the same time, methane, a potent greenhouse gas, would also need to be reduced by roughly one-third.

The U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said it is “almost inevitable” that humanity will briefly surpass the critical temperature threshold of 1.5 degrees in this scenario, but it could return below this level by the end of the century.

“It’s now or never, if we want to limit global warming to 1.5°C,” IPCC Working Group III co-chair Jim Skea said in a statement accompanying the report. “Without immediate and deep emissions reductions across all sectors, it will be impossible.”"

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/04/ipcc-report-climate-scientists-issue-ultimatum-on-1point5-degrees-goal.html

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216566721

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
16. Agreed, but I try not to show my total pessimism on the topic.
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 01:54 PM
Jul 2022

For all our pride in our big brain we seem to lack the imagination to visualize how drastically we're changing our planet. I wonder what human population will be at the end of this century?

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
17. I look at it as something we can't prevent but I can do my best to adapt.
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 02:00 PM
Jul 2022

And I think the odds of successfully adapting are pretty good but it will take, planning, and hard work.

Elessar Zappa

(13,964 posts)
31. It's not too late to prevent a worse-case scenario of 4 Celsius increase.
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 04:21 PM
Jul 2022

Who knows if we’ll act in time but it’s not too late yet.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
13. At approximately 950 ft power generation stops.
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 01:30 PM
Jul 2022

The lake is around 1043 ft right now.

Last time it was this low was in 1937 when it was filling.

VGNonly

(7,486 posts)
34. I believe that when it hits
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 04:56 PM
Jul 2022

1025, hydropower starts dropping incrementally until it hits dead pool. Time to open the Lake Powell penstocks completely, saving some time for the more viable Lake Mead water source.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
50. Around 950 they have to definitely start shutting off the turbines.
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 10:09 PM
Jul 2022

The air/water mixture will damage them.

I am assuming they will start shutting them off in succession earlier than 950ft, to prevent damage and try to slow the water level drop.

MissB

(15,805 posts)
23. It is interesting- but why are they still allowing boats to launch?
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 02:47 PM
Jul 2022

It is truly horrific to see the levels drop so quickly. How on earth is Vegas going to survive? Seems the level will be so low so soon that power generation is lost.

Really grateful that I live where I do. There is power generation o’plenty. Our water supply is secure.

Vegas is screwed.

former9thward

(31,980 posts)
47. Vegas is not screwed.
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 09:15 PM
Jul 2022

They get very little power from the Hoover Dam. The use natural gas electric generation plants.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
22. There is a B-29 Superfortress at the bottom of that lake
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 02:41 PM
Jul 2022

If it keeps drying up than stranger things will become visible. They've already found bodies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Mead

Mysterian

(4,585 posts)
37. We should have listened to Jimmy Carter
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 05:02 PM
Jul 2022

How many republicans will admit they were wrong when climate disaster strikes?

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
38. Reminds me of the pandemic
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 05:04 PM
Jul 2022

The people who know there's a problem point out the problem. Then the problem isn't taken seriously and no action is taken.

The news reports 90% useless information. We'll see alarming pictures. We'll see predictions about water levels. We'll get info about how people are reacting emotionally and suffering. We'll hear about possible rationing, about previously irrigated farmland now drying up.

What we don't hear is what are we doing and, if nothing, who do we fire and hire? To me, that's the story.

newdayneeded

(1,955 posts)
42. I've even heard
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 06:25 PM
Jul 2022

that once it gets below 895 ft, the water will not be able to continue through the dam. basically the Colorado River will dry up below Hoover dam until the water rises.

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