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ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 04:36 PM Jan 2012

10 reasons the U.S. is no longer the land of the free

Last edited Sat Jan 14, 2012, 05:56 PM - Edit history (1)

From today's Wash. POst-Nice summary of 10 reasons the U.S. is no longer the land of the free

Assassination of U.S. citizens

Indefinite detention

Arbitrary justice

Warrantless searches

Secret evidence

War crimes

Secret court

Immunity from judicial review

Continual monitoring of citizens

Extraordinary renditions

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/is-the-united-states-still-the-land-of-the-free/2012/01/04/gIQAvcD1wP_story.html

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10 reasons the U.S. is no longer the land of the free (Original Post) ErikJ Jan 2012 OP
This is what comes from fighting Wars on Nouns, MadHound Jan 2012 #1
When a Democratic president buys into most of those 10 items tularetom Jan 2012 #2
Most of Washington the DC are tools of the oligarchy. nm rhett o rick Jan 2012 #4
plus: Brutalization of Protestors. nm rhett o rick Jan 2012 #3
The jury is still out on "home of the brave." Yavapai Jan 2012 #5
You know it's getting bad when the WaPo notices the blossoming Police State kenny blankenship Jan 2012 #6
Not to mention the GOP using fear and hate to slice up the electorate and get more votes. applegrove Jan 2012 #7
Omitted cyglet Jan 2012 #8
They left out ... "Reality Shows" JoePhilly Jan 2012 #9
Much of that was the case during the Civil War, WWII, etc bhikkhu Jan 2012 #10
K&R NorthCarolina Jan 2012 #11
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2012 #12
You can add lynching to the list. lonestarnot Jan 2012 #13
Any updates from the ACLU about challenging this? midnight Jan 2012 #14
I personally don't think cyglet Jan 2012 #16
The NDAA....I hope it doesn't hold up in court. midnight Jan 2012 #17
When was the U.S. free? nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #15
 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
1. This is what comes from fighting Wars on Nouns,
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 04:40 PM
Jan 2012

The War on Crime, the War on Drugs, the War on Terrorism. . .

All they really accomplish is War on the American People.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
2. When a Democratic president buys into most of those 10 items
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 04:46 PM
Jan 2012

and nobody challenges him, we really are in trouble.

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
6. You know it's getting bad when the WaPo notices the blossoming Police State
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 06:37 PM
Jan 2012

Ok, it was not the Washington Post itself (which has advanced the cause of destroying freedom), but at least they ran Turley's opinion piece.

applegrove

(118,440 posts)
7. Not to mention the GOP using fear and hate to slice up the electorate and get more votes.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 10:42 PM
Jan 2012

That is slavery.

bhikkhu

(10,711 posts)
10. Much of that was the case during the Civil War, WWII, etc
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:52 PM
Jan 2012

...so its only fair to say that "the war" is really the problem, and focus efforts toward a remedy on ending the war. I'd like to see every candidate running for office next year hit up for their plan and position on that.

Its also fair to say that people in other countries are sometimes amused to hear how un-free we think we are. Things could be better (and the above suggestion is a serious one), but even while working toward our own betterment, there is much that we could do to encourage freedom in other countries that are far from our own standard.

ed - sp.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
14. Any updates from the ACLU about challenging this?
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 01:03 AM
Jan 2012

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