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Sun Jul 17, 2022, 04:48 PM

Stop the steal rally

Okay, lets talk about common sense.

If someone goes to a rally to stop something, they are supporting a cause.

If someone attends the rally to stop something and were instructed to march towards the location in unity to stop it, wouldn't that hostile?

Peaceful demonstration are protesting ones grievances, but when protecting is changed from peaceful to armed, that is no longer protected.

Granted, bad actors may revert the atmosphere of the peaceful protest intent towards hostile, but when the group starts off being hostile, then everyone stepping forward at that point would and should be a hostile group.

Common sense.

What are your thoughts that Trump had an army January 6, 2021 and everyone taking a step towards the National Capitol would be considered insurgents?

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Reply Stop the steal rally (Original post)
Smackdown2019 Jul 2022 OP
malaise Jul 2022 #1
keithbvadu2 Jul 2022 #2
bucolic_frolic Jul 2022 #3
KentuckyWoman Jul 2022 #4
Walleye Jul 2022 #5
Smackdown2019 Jul 2022 #7
Whiskeytide Jul 2022 #6
onethatcares Jul 2022 #8
Hortensis Jul 2022 #9

Response to Smackdown2019 (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2022, 04:54 PM

1. I agree with you

But wish you and other DUers would stop repeating the Slobfather’s narative - it was when I lose I will spread a lie and steal the presidency.
A few good people stopped the coup.

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Response to Smackdown2019 (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2022, 05:00 PM

2. Trump wanted them armed.

Trump wanted them armed.

He wanted the metal detectors removed.

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Response to Smackdown2019 (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2022, 05:01 PM

3. Insurgents would have been more disciplined and better trained

In times of war or political chaos it's not simple to sort each individual into a group of this or that.

Trump made errors of commission and omission that put a lot of people's lives at risk, and some were killed. The survival of the democracy is not reassured as well. Some Commander in Chief.

January 6 will be parsed against the great insurrections of history. Many events that seem clearly divided according to the winning historians were not so clearly delineated in the moment.

I don't know of a spontaneous insurrection. History may make them sound like that, but there are always organizers, rabble-rousers, paid operatives, leaders. Even Bastille Day. Insurrections have a context. The masses don't just stream out of their houses and demand bread and cheese. The Bolsheviks won because they were funded, ruthless, propagandized against the opposition, and cut deals with allies.

January 6 was poorly executed, thankfully, because of the incompetent hacks that planned it along the route. Their main asset was chaos.

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Response to Smackdown2019 (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2022, 05:02 PM

4. Those are people who clearly do not have any retirement accounts.

If they did, they'd see where the steal really is.

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Response to Smackdown2019 (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2022, 05:23 PM

5. Everyone of these guys on trial should be asked how they were going to "stop the steal"

Because obviously violence was the only way to do it at that point

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Response to Walleye (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 17, 2022, 05:43 PM

7. Exactly!

Finally someone who hit the nail on the coffin. If one attends a rally to stop something, how would they if the one way through violence. Violence against the government is what they wanted to do to ensure Trump remained in office. That itself is a coup.

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Response to Smackdown2019 (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2022, 05:42 PM

6. I think it's really very simple. There were groups ...

… in the crowd that led the violence and orchestrated the penetration of the building. Organized teams with strategic objectives that used techniques to foment the crowd into a raging mob. The plan was to get the crowd to over-run the Capitol Police, enter the building and stop the certification. They knew where the soft spots were, and they exploited them.

The majority of the crowd was along for the ride and really did not wake up that morning with hard-ons and erect nipples from dreaming about tearing the place down. They were the useful idiots that day. But these other people, these teams, had a very well thought out plan.

The only question that matters now is who in the White house and the Republican Party was in contact with these people and in on the mission.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 17, 2022, 05:55 PM

8. my freind, you summed that up perfectly

out of 350,000,000 MOL, 10,000 showed up to try to take the government out of government.

WHO? WHY?

If it's the very wealthy, which has my vote, it's time to do some serious soul searching as to what we want for a country.

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Response to Smackdown2019 (Original post)

Mon Jul 18, 2022, 07:24 AM

9. I think thousands of the people who walked to or toward the Capitol

turned around and walked away when the violence began and they realized what was happening there. Far more than participated in the attack.

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