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Jilly_in_VA

(9,931 posts)
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 06:13 PM Jul 2022

The 'catastrophic' high cost of insulin is financially straining diabetes patients

Nicole Smith-Holt’s son, Alec, died in 2017 from diabetic ketoacidosis, a condition that occurs when the body doesn’t have enough insulin.

Alec had Type 1 diabetes. The 26-year-old had been recently removed from his parents' health insurance plan and was about $300 short of the $1,300 he needed to pay for his insulin medication, his mother said.

In a bid to wait until his next payday to purchase the medication, he rationed the insulin he had left.

“Unfortunately, his body was found three days prior to payday,” said Smith-Holt, of Richfield, Minnesota.

In the five years since Alec’s death, not much has changed: The high cost of insulin remains a significant barrier to care for many Americans.

A study published this month in the journal Health Affairs found that 14% of people who use insulin in the United States face what is described as a “catastrophic” level of spending on the medication, meaning that after paying for other essentials, such as food and housing, they spend at least 40% of their remaining income on insulin.

The study’s estimate, which covered 2017 and 2018, didn’t include other costs related to diabetes care, such as glucose monitors, insulin pumps or other medications.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/why-insulin-so-expensive-diabetes-united-states-rcna39295

Fcuk Big Pharma!

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The 'catastrophic' high cost of insulin is financially straining diabetes patients (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Jul 2022 OP
Barbaric, indefensible, evil. dalton99a Jul 2022 #1
Especially black Americans and Native Americans. nt Samrob Jul 2022 #2
California is going to manufacture insulin and charge a lot less Auggie Jul 2022 #3
Why is the cost so high? Disaffected Jul 2022 #4
Same. sakabatou Jul 2022 #6
There are generic and older formulations and newer ones. Igel Jul 2022 #8
Thank you for that. Disaffected Jul 2022 #10
The ACA needs to be revised to address chronic illnesses. Ms. Toad Jul 2022 #5
IMPORTANT, re: Patient Assistance Programs rog Jul 2022 #7
You have to love both the American Medical and Justice systems. Chainfire Jul 2022 #9

Disaffected

(4,538 posts)
4. Why is the cost so high?
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 06:57 PM
Jul 2022

High cost of manufacture or greedy, patent holding pharma companies??

I suspect the latter...

Igel

(35,268 posts)
8. There are generic and older formulations and newer ones.
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 07:27 PM
Jul 2022

Some have nifty injectors that make dosing easier. Some don't.

The price difference between them can be 20x or 40x. Very few people need the latest and greatest.

Take my scrip. L-thyroxine. Been around for many decades, long since out of patent for the basics and some not-quite-so-basics. My scrip costs $12-13/month.

Once the doctor didn't check "generic ok" or whatever and *after* insurance knocked off a couple hundred bucks 1 month's supply was more than $450. The pharmacist looked at my face, the price, and said, "You usually get the generic. This is time released and you can eat right after taking it." 10 minutes later, my $12.43 refill for 30 tablets was ready. Not the stuff that cost 36x what my usual refill cost.

Now, the generic is annoying: You can't eat or drink anything for at least 60 minutes after taking it except water. Not tea, not coffee, not juice, esp. not milk. Or, if you take it at night, you can't eat or drink for 3 hours before taking it. So being able to wash the stuff down with coffee and eat breakfast ... You know, not worth the extra $15/day. The thing about "time release" is that the hormone is stored in fat and self-time releases.

It's the same with the EpiPen scandal from a few years back. Our school nurses call them "epipens" but they call the generic tissue they have "kleenex" and the generic adhesive bandages "bandaids". Instead of whatever the EpiPen (tm) cost, theirs cost a buck or two each. Somebody asked during start-of-school in-service about how they could afford it--we were told we needed training on them and we'd each waste 1-2 epipens--and the nurse said to ignore the news. Meanwhile, on DU somebody worked out how many cents the active ingredient cost to make (ignoring the packaging, shipping, injector, profit for the manufacturer, costs and profit of he distributor, costs and profit of the retailer--still, the expense was because it was under patent *and* because it was super convenient and therefore desirable; it was the injector design that cost, not the med).

Now, *maybe* the $1300/month insulin was required for some complication. But very often doctors will prescribe the more expensive stuff by default or people will assume that brand-name must be much better than out-of-trademark/patent generics.

Disaffected

(4,538 posts)
10. Thank you for that.
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 08:37 PM
Jul 2022

That surprises me as I'm now wonder why the decedent named in the OP did not avail himself of the much cheaper option.

Maybe there was a medical reason but surely the cheaper option would have been better than nothing(?). Maybe he simply wasn't aware of it...

Ms. Toad

(33,975 posts)
5. The ACA needs to be revised to address chronic illnesses.
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 06:59 PM
Jul 2022

Diabetes is getting a lot of attention because it is common, and the preferred method of managing blood glucose is costly. But there are readily available, relatively inexpensive insulin available. They are more complex, harder to keep blood glucose on an even keel, but it does not cost $1300 to buy insulin which will keep you alive and regulated from Walmart. It now offers not only human insulin, but an analog version of insulin at relatively affordable rates.

It has, however, been at least a decade since my daughter with two chronic illnesses (IBD and PSC) has not spent her full, out-of-pocket maximum, in the first month of each new year on health insurance. In one bad year (bankruptcy of her employer, new employer who didn't offer health insurance immediately, and a gap-filling period on the ACA) she had to spend 3 full out-of-pocket maximums in a single year.

Her care costs (at the moment) $400,000 a year - most of that for biologics she must now take every 4 weeks. She has no Walmart alternative to keep her alive.

Focusing on a single medicine ignores the basic problem: People with chronic illnesses are not served well by out current system. Most of us who do not have chronic illnesses ignore the out-of-pocket maximum because we never come close to hitting it - or perhaps hit it once every decade. That is how they are designed. They are intended to be a fail-safe to prevent catastrophe if you happen to have a $100,000 health care year.

But those with chronic illnesses have to spend that much every single year. My daughter's health insurance is good - but she has to spend 25% of her income on her out-of-pocket medical care every single year - in the first month of the year.

Fixing the cost of the "sexy" problem - the donated to the public patent, for (not really the same) meds which now costing people thousands of dollars every year, does not solve the fact that people with chronic illness are paying a disproportionate amount of their income to stay alive.

The cost of insulin is a legitimate concern - but I'm getting fed up with pitting one illness against other illnesses for special treatment.

I can see happening with diabetes what has happened with other illnesses which were "sexy." Breast cancer patients are entitled to have reconstructive surgery on not only the breast with cancer - but also the other breast to make them balanced. A disease-specific fix was created for breast cancer (which I have) - while leaving all other cancer survivors (a group which also includes me) with much more disfiguring scars out in the cold - with our disfigurements treated as cosmetic.

Resolving this disfigurement (left by my limb-sparing sarcoma removal 19 months ago) is considered cosmetic.



If I want to add some fat padding (it's about a 1/2" crater) and a less visible scar by expanding the skin to cover the graft, I would have to pay for it out of pocket. Whereas my insurance company would have been obligated to pay for breast reconstruction for both breasts as medically necessary - even though I only had cancer in one breast. Because the breast cancer lobby is powerful - and the fix was tailored to respond to that single powerful voice, not to others similarly situated.

If a fix is created specifically for diabetes, the rest of us (like my daughter with two chronic illnesses) will have the identical problem to those of us whose cancers are equally or more disfiguring than breast cancer - but who aren't entitled to surgery to make us look "normal" again because our diseases aren't sexy enough to garner an individual fix.

Let's work on a fix for all similarly situated people, not just those who have one disease with a compelling story and enough "victims" to have a loud enough voice.

Simple rule changes that would help everyone, not just those with diabetes:

1. No one ever has to pay more than one out-of-pocket maximum in a single year. If you change from one ACA compliant plan to another, your year carries over - rather than starting fresh.

2. Either classify all chronic illnesses as eligible for reduced out-of-pocket maximums every year OR limit the number of years in which you are allowed to be charged an out-of-pocket max (E.g. 1 in 10, for example).

rog

(648 posts)
7. IMPORTANT, re: Patient Assistance Programs
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 07:20 PM
Jul 2022

Most pharma companies have Patient Assistance Programs to help folks without many resources get their meds for no charge, or for a greatly reduced charge. There is no way I could afford my Eliquis prescription at around $500/month, but I have been able to get it at no charge for the past three years.

Here is Novo Nordisk's PAP for insulin: https://www.novocare.com/diabetes-overview/let-us-help/pap.html

You can get your insulin at no charge if you qualify ... there is also a program that provides insulin at $99/month if you don't qualify for the free program.

Here's a simple tool to help you calculate your eligibility. For Novo Nordisk insulin, you qualify for free meds if you're under 400% of the Federal Poverty Level. Not sure what the requirements are for $99 refills.

https://www.needymeds.org/poverty-guidelines-percents/

At least there is SOME help available. I think a lot of folks don't think to look for help. I also know that LOTS of people fall through the cracks.

It's worth a shot to look up a PAP for any given drug company.

.rog.

Chainfire

(17,433 posts)
9. You have to love both the American Medical and Justice systems.
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 07:37 PM
Jul 2022

In both cases you only get what you can pay for. Without good insurance my wife and I would be destitute. She is not only insulin dependent, but has a continuing treatment to keep her from going blind that cost up to $8,000.00 a month for two eye injections. I take 9 medications daily and I don't know what they would cost if I had to pay out of pocket.

It is all driven by insatiable greed and supported by bought politicians. Big pharma and big med have license to steal. Other countries have figured out how to provide health care without breaking the bank, but we just can't seem to get it done.

We may well have done better if we had gotten along with King George...

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