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FFS (Original Post) Aviation Pro Aug 2022 OP
Best post EV-AH!!! Ilsa Aug 2022 #1
Recommended. onecaliberal Aug 2022 #2
THIS malaise Aug 2022 #3
At some point the DOJ is going to have to fish or cut bait. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #4
He likely won't be charged until after the midterms. Elessar Zappa Aug 2022 #6
Good point. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #7
I have a bottle of champagne at the ready. Elessar Zappa Aug 2022 #9
Raise a glass for me when the time comes. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #11
Me too... IrishAfricanAmerican Aug 2022 #12
I can't drink any more. murielm99 Aug 2022 #46
Comey didn't wait Ponietz Aug 2022 #16
And that's exactly why AG Garland will do the opposite of Comey FakeNoose Aug 2022 #20
The point is... Ponietz Aug 2022 #28
Trump isn't a candidate in '22. nt. druidity33 Aug 2022 #49
I think that the threat assessment has to come back first. n/t EndlessWire Aug 2022 #39
And put a gag order on him SheltieLover Aug 2022 #5
I was thinking the same thing. What will it take to make Trump shut the hell up? Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #8
Duct tape over mouth & teeny hands cuffed beyond his back would work. SheltieLover Aug 2022 #14
Would have to be the heavy duty silver duct tape. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #21
Absolutely! SheltieLover Aug 2022 #25
zip ties and a butt plug for his piehole with duct tape and Gorilla Glue to hold in place. Yeeew. Evolve Dammit Aug 2022 #24
Perfect solution! SheltieLover Aug 2022 #26
How to shut him up? MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2022 #42
............. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #45
If only birdographer Aug 2022 #51
He looked pretty rough out in the heat of the golf course. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #53
Jeff Tiedrich would approve of post!! aeromanKC Aug 2022 #10
X1000 FalloutShelter Aug 2022 #13
He may be sucking the oxygen out of your world but that's because you allow it. Kaleva Aug 2022 #15
Indicting Trump will not be that easy, or quick. gab13by13 Aug 2022 #17
How do you know? LakeArenal Aug 2022 #23
Maybe he's waiting for a moment when indicting is less likely to start a civil war. jaxexpat Aug 2022 #33
Yes please Rebl2 Aug 2022 #18
Well, ask those here who are sure it's going to happen. BlackSkimmer Aug 2022 #19
Unfortunately he's not the only one sucking not just air but life out of people. LakeArenal Aug 2022 #22
I think they will indict Baggies Aug 2022 #27
Yes its kind of damned if you do or don't Tree Lady Aug 2022 #34
If they don't charge, it appears as a witch hunt Baggies Aug 2022 #35
I think most people like me are appalled Tree Lady Aug 2022 #37
And ESPECIALLY when it's him. calimary Aug 2022 #55
If he had classified docs EndlessWire Aug 2022 #43
Make it so! Evolve Dammit Aug 2022 #29
Yes! Picaro Aug 2022 #30
You speak for me, Aviation Pro. calimary Aug 2022 #31
A-MEN!!! 2naSalit Aug 2022 #32
How is Donald Trump any different from Charles Manson at this point? Heather MC Aug 2022 #36
I don't see any difference. robertpaulsen Aug 2022 #41
Exactly Heather MC Aug 2022 #44
Scary as all hell! Brenda Aug 2022 #50
Yeah EndlessWire Aug 2022 #38
I agree I think it's time. This crap has gone on ArnoldLayne Aug 2022 #40
OMG, yes! I am so fucking sick of him. CrispyQ Aug 2022 #47
He's a public menace, more dangerous roaming around free than locked up Blue Owl Aug 2022 #48
Aviation Pro.................. Upthevibe Aug 2022 #52
I had to look up what FFS means and I totally agree FFS! Pepsidog Aug 2022 #54

Elessar Zappa

(13,964 posts)
6. He likely won't be charged until after the midterms.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 12:54 PM
Aug 2022

The DOJ doesn’t like the idea of doing anything that might flip an election. I could be wrong, of course, but that’s my best bet.

Irish_Dem

(46,918 posts)
11. Raise a glass for me when the time comes.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 01:00 PM
Aug 2022

I will be with you in spirit!

God that will be a happy day.

Ponietz

(2,961 posts)
16. Comey didn't wait
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 01:20 PM
Aug 2022

Sorry, no respect for cops that don’t do their jobs diligently. What do the criminals most want? Delay. Why would DOJ give them more time knowing election data was stolen when its raison d’etre is preventing a fraudulent election? Im not sure this election will be free and fair unless they move now.

FakeNoose

(32,633 posts)
20. And that's exactly why AG Garland will do the opposite of Comey
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 01:55 PM
Aug 2022

The point was that Comey's job (as Director of the FBI) never consisted of making press releases or announcing that political candidates are being investigated. It's supposed to be the Attorney General's job, and Comey usurped him. Water over the dam, it will never happen again.

Ponietz

(2,961 posts)
28. The point is...
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:14 PM
Aug 2022

The idea of waiting until after an election to enforce the law is an idea from their side, not ours. In 2020 we had one chance and it’s here, now. Comey didn’t wait to announce an investigation so why should DOJ wait now to enforce the law, i.e., indict? To give the traitor(s) more time? That’s the worst idea I can think of.

birdographer

(1,323 posts)
51. If only
Wed Aug 17, 2022, 09:18 AM
Aug 2022

someone would help him along with shedding that mortal coil. I honestly believe he is going to outlive us all. Daily stress seems to have an opposite effect on him than on normal people.

Irish_Dem

(46,918 posts)
53. He looked pretty rough out in the heat of the golf course.
Wed Aug 17, 2022, 10:14 AM
Aug 2022

And actually having to walk around.

But you are right, the SOB could outlive us all.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
15. He may be sucking the oxygen out of your world but that's because you allow it.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 01:19 PM
Aug 2022

It's almost impossible for you to influence the outcome whatever that may be.

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
17. Indicting Trump will not be that easy, or quick.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 01:20 PM
Aug 2022

I honestly don't think that Garland has made up his mind yet. It took him weeks to decide to do the search warrant after boxes of classified documents had been sitting at Mar-el-Loco for 18 months.

LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
23. How do you know?
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:09 PM
Aug 2022

Maybe he knew a long time and was considering timing. He’s timed it perfectly in my mind.

There’s nothing to prove what his thought process was/is.

jaxexpat

(6,818 posts)
33. Maybe he's waiting for a moment when indicting is less likely to start a civil war.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:21 PM
Aug 2022

Or perhaps, if civil strife becomes inevitable, a moment when the law enforcement community will be more likely to help put that civil war down. Could be he's just waiting for, at least, a moment when his own FBI will reliably support the chain of command, law and order.

I think there's a real potential that many local and state community law enforcement agencies across the country might lay in with, or at least "stand down and stand back" from, the forces of civil disobedience when its white people doing the rioting and causing the mayhem. Oh sure, they'll always allow the burning down of black owned businesses and community structures. That's what they've been doing and training for the last about 150 years. They have their addresses in the system already.

I think he's hoping that a constant deluge of bad news for Trump will take the wind from his supporters' sails.

LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
22. Unfortunately he's not the only one sucking not just air but life out of people.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:07 PM
Aug 2022

Republicans are rife with the sucking.

Baggies

(503 posts)
27. I think they will indict
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:14 PM
Aug 2022

You can’t do what they did and not indict, you’d just look stupid.

The egg on the face is if they don’t get a conviction on Trump. That would be 2 impeachments, one indictment, and no convictions. That happens and the Republicans will paint us whatever color they like and it’ll stick. It’s why these types of things are unadvisable unless you know there’s certain 100% victory, and there’s no guarantee of that.

Tree Lady

(11,451 posts)
34. Yes its kind of damned if you do or don't
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:24 PM
Aug 2022

If they don't it is like saying the country is lawless but if you do and he skates again we also look lawless. So they had better win!!! I really don't know how he can get a jury who is non partial and if by judge he will say the judge is against him, if they rule to send him to jail he will fight to supremes and we know how that will end.

The DOJ knows all this and is probably why they haven't jumped to charge him with something already.

Baggies

(503 posts)
35. If they don't charge, it appears as a witch hunt
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:30 PM
Aug 2022

If they do but don’t win, it looks like a witch hunt.

If they do and win, it still looks like a witch hunt with half the country viewing it as a totalitarian government now in control.

I haven’t seen an upside to any of this, and I don’t see any on the horizon. I would have preferred the Party simply ignore him as he was nothing. But for some reason, people can’t stop. It’s like they’re obsessed.

Tree Lady

(11,451 posts)
37. I think most people like me are appalled
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:33 PM
Aug 2022

that he has gotten away with so much when we know if we do something even a tiny bit of what he did we would be in jail.

To me it doesn't matter what side red or blue I get mad when the rich and powerful are able to skate on things.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
55. And ESPECIALLY when it's him.
Wed Aug 17, 2022, 12:02 PM
Aug 2022

I just hate this! I HATE the thought that he might get away with it - AGAIN (whatever the “it” of any given hour might be).

EndlessWire

(6,513 posts)
43. If he had classified docs
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 03:11 PM
Aug 2022

or any kind of purloined docs, in his basement--and he did--then, he has to be charged. Failure to give them back when the FBI tried to arrange it the first time also looks bad. I don't know how discretional Garland can be in this scenario. If we are a nation of laws, and Garland has gone on TV and stated that no one is above the law, then it's coming. There is no excuse for Trump to have done this. He just got caught.

And, now he's looking for the ID of the agents who caught him. Chilling, but there appears to be no excuse. And, sure he will fight; he has the right to appeal the verdict and say what he wants. But, he has made admissions on having the documents, so he's kinda effed right now.

And, although I understand why many posters have said that it makes no difference whether the papers are classified or not, which technically it doesn't, there is still a differential in terms of excuses and punishments for having taken classified docs pertaining to gawd knows what. Under the Espionage Act, one of the punishments is execution.

And, no, I don't think it would come to that. But, what if he ended up on Death Row? He needs to sober up and listen to those attorneys that he thinks he's smarter than. Their client is going to jail, and the only questions are for how long and where. If I were him, I'd be packing up the boat right now.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
36. How is Donald Trump any different from Charles Manson at this point?
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:33 PM
Aug 2022

He is literally encouraging people to go out and hurt the FBI. And there are men who are doing this.

Isn't it time he was muzzled, old, and tossed in a hole in Guantanamo Bay?

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
44. Exactly
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 03:28 PM
Aug 2022

There's one major difference, Charles Manson got sent to jail for insiding people to violence.

Meanwhile Donald Trump is continuously doing that and our country is acting as if arresting him is impossible🤦🏾‍♀️

EndlessWire

(6,513 posts)
38. Yeah
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:46 PM
Aug 2022

He's still thinks he's a player. He should be indicted as a spy under the Espionage Act. Then, let him plea bargain like any other common criminal. Throw his ass in jail. Then, give his attorneys a copy of the affidavit.

His attorneys may be biting off more than they can chew. I am sure that the DOJ is trying to round up all those possible, but as it goes further, we may have to get on with it.

I don't know how long the threat assessment will take, but it would be beneficial to the prosecution to be able to tell people what exposure of those documents might mean to us. And, that's why we have laws against what he did.

He's already made admissions to having taken the documents.

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
47. OMG, yes! I am so fucking sick of him.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 03:44 PM
Aug 2022

I hoped Covid would take him out, but nope. Not in this timeline.

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