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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump IS running... he MUST run.
Look at the evidence.
1) Trump Media and Technology Group.
Trump is the majority shareholder in DWAC which has a market cap of $1.1B and at one time was over $3B
If Trump announces a run, Truth Social benefits bigly and DWAC's stock price will surge, Trump makes Billions.
If Trump announces no run, the brand takes a yuge hit and loses value.
2) Impending legal action.
If/when the Garland DoJ indicts Trump, it's going to get dragged through the mother of all delays... not a chance for a trial before 1/25
Trump wins in 24, his new AG calls it all a hoax and prosecution is over. And that's before Trump fires all the DoJ'er and FBI'ers his power will allow.
3) Look at the numbers.
a) Trump rec'd the most voted for POTUS in history by anyone NOT named Biden.
b) Trump has a 2:1 lead over any possible Primary challenger.
c) Trump beats Biden and Harris in head to head polling from earlier this month, Harvard CAPS/Harris Polling
4) Trump is a vengeful bastard. He LIVES to get even. At this stage in his life, NOTHING else matters. He ran in 2016 because Obama made jokes about him. Imagine his motivation for 2024.
5) External factors are favorable for Trump. Most expect economic issues through 2023, maybe longer. Inflation may settle in around 4-5% as the "new normal"... Energy will continue to get more expensive and tumultuous. And lastly, international instability including the proxy war in Ukraine, near war in Taiwan, Kosovo and North Korea rattling the cage again.
Oh yeah, Trump's running. Doesn't matter what Biden or Garland do, he's running.
So, like Global warming... time to prepare.
He's beatable, of course... but it's going to take some forward thinking.
Turbineguy
(37,295 posts)At some point he'll qualify himself for the death penalty.
WarGamer
(12,367 posts)People need to understand how dangerous Trump v2.0 would be.
FBI raid at the Obama residence? Done.
Indictments of Biden for Hunter laptop? Done.
Democracy itself, as much as our Constitution allows it? Done.
Kingofalldems
(38,425 posts)WarGamer
(12,367 posts)the opposite, actually...
Kingofalldems
(38,425 posts)He's pretty much unbeatable according to polls.
Then it says he is sort of beatable.
These types of posts are so annoying.
WarGamer
(12,367 posts)Of course he's beatable.
We've already done it once.
A lot of this we're already doing... need a full court press on voting rights, unprecedented voter registration, voter education... fundraising...
And IF Joe decides NOT to run... a vigorous Democratic Primary.
I was blown away by Obama in 2007/2008... at this point he seems like a "once in a lifetime" figure.
Let's do it again. Someone young... how about female? Someone brilliant and uplifting... someone positive, with a vision based on kindness, humanity and equality. Someone who can transcend politics and Team Blue vs Team Red...
Eyeball_Kid
(7,429 posts)What WILL happen, IMO, is that Trump's popularity will continue to fall with the GOP. He can't thrive with indictments, the Dobbs decision, and the J6C revelations. There WILL be indictments because Garland committed himself and the DOJ to investigating and thus, prosecuting-- because Garland ALWAYS falls back on the law and logic.
When indicted, he'll try to mobilize his mob. His civil war will be diminished to skirmishes because the theoretical hordes of activists really don't have the committment to pull on their boots and take the risk of being blown to bits by law enforcement. Posting on RW sites is a lot different than opening fire on a government building. There ARE people who are prone to bloody violence, but they have to have a much stronger motivation than getting irritated that Trump has to show up in Court. After all, it will be on the TV for all of them to watch anyway.
The nation's economic ups and downs also will NOT play a significant role in social/civil unrest because we are now seeing that indicators show an IMPROVED economic outlook, no matter what the popular opinion polls ("Is the country going in the right direction???" show. (BTW, that "right direction" question is the biggest nothingburger ever. No one really knows what the question means.).
In sum, there just isn't enough vitriol to foment a civil war or a resurgence in Trump's political power. And there isn't enough of a motivation to get immersed in make-believe arguments to keep Trump's fantasy intact. Right wing media gets a lot of air time, but not enough to sell Trump's fascism to yet more people.
One more thing: watch how the Dems create campaign rhetoric against their GOP opponents. This time we're going to see some effective messaging that the GOP simply can't counter. It's because the GOP is a royal mess.
Kingofalldems
(38,425 posts)Facts completely ignored by the OP.
Scrivener7
(50,918 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,425 posts)Scrivener7
(50,918 posts)intrepidity
(7,275 posts)and that state legislatures have done all the tweaking that needs to be done to ensure his win.
evilclown
(20 posts)I believe that the gop will dump him when the charges are filed. They cant take the chance with this time bomb hanging around their neck.
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)TFG IS The GOP. They are tied together. Nobody in the GOP is dumping him. He's their Cult Leader. He's Their Jesus.
WarGamer
(12,367 posts)Lars39
(26,107 posts)Scrivener7
(50,918 posts)Lars39
(26,107 posts)Scrivener7
(50,918 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Not a bit.
Emile
(22,505 posts)if he does run.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)And I'll take it.
WarGamer
(12,367 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)WarGamer
(12,367 posts)Think about it.
WHO would be the "base" for Liz?
Answer: Never Trumpers
Who did Never Trumpers vote for in 2020?
Biden.
Trump won't lose a single vote to Liz.
albacore
(2,398 posts)She's young enough to be prez then. The Repub Party is a fragmented cult, and without trump, they are a mob. Enough will come out about him that he will lose enough following inside the Party that the convention will look like a piranha festival.
She can step in as the Party savior.
The Cheneys play the long game.
GreenWave
(6,663 posts)It only gets worse for him. What we need is a campaign to call on corporate media to stop being such willing propaganda boosters for him or we will boycott your $ponSor$.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,362 posts)2 more senators means the filibuster is gone.
With that done the Lewis Voting Rights act and the other voting rights bills get passed, which means ALL of the voting restrictions put in place over the last couple years go away.
Easier voting means a Democratic landslide and THEY KNOW IT.
Stop worrying about what that Orange anus might or might not do and concentrate on November.
If we lose in November it wont matter anyway, the country is fucked for a long while.
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A HERETIC I AM
(24,362 posts)Where do you get that idea?
If someone wants to challenge a new law they have to have standing. Who has standing to argue fewer people should vote?
There is an appeals process that starts at the Circuit Court level and the Supreme Court does not hear every case sent to it.
But never mind. I see what you have going on in this thread.
Be Best, and all!
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