The best news from yesterdays DOJ filing.

[fightforfreedom]

They found top secret documents in Trumps desk. That my friends is checkmate.

[Tetrachloride]

1. Wow. ty. I was obviously unaware of the desk.

here’s a link

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/30/trump-justice-department-filing-warrant-00054319

Three classified documents were found in a “desk drawer”

[underpants]

4. Thanks. I actually heard them mention this on Fox News this morning

I hadn’t heard that yet and was quite surprised that they’d mention it.

[Claustrum]

9. What is Fox Noise saying about this?

Are they turning on TFG yet?

[Botany]

20. I watched for about 5 minutes this AM @ 6:05

"What is Fox Noise saying about this?"

1) Hunter Biden's laptop.

2) Rainbow colored fentanyl

3) The borders

[Claustrum]

23. Thanks.

It seems like the right wing online army is on panic mode today. They are rushing to every youtube videos to fill the comment section with BS.

[underpants]

47. It was weird.

Douchey actually said out loud that “These are the biggest secrets in the world!” AND mentioned that three of the files were in his desk.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17103510

Most of it was “…but we’re not getting any answers” basically they had nothing to say so they, like Trump, are stalling.

[gab13by13]

2. It isn't about evidence,

DOJ has plenty of evidence to prove obstruction of justice. It all comes down to whether to indict a former president or not. Make no mistake that is a momentous decision.

[Irish_Dem]

5. Yes exactly. There is enough evidence for 100 life sentences in SuperMax without parole.

That is not the issue.

Do we have the will to pursue Trump's crimes? The answer has always been no.

[Claustrum]

11. Are you sure DoJ is still not willing to pursue TFG's crime?

DoJ specifically said obstructing an "ongoing criminal investigation". That doesn't mean a sure indictment is coming but it's highly likely.

[Irish_Dem]

24. Even if there is an indictment, that is a long way from trial, conviction, imprisonment.

For the first time I think there is a chance of indictment, yes.

But Trump going to prison is a long shot.

I think realistically the most we can hope for is indictment and some sort of settlement, home detention and gag order.

But whether Trump adheres to any agreement is doubtful.

I base my assessment on facts to date.

[Claustrum]

25. Right. I was with you being skeptical the whole way.

But these evidence is too damning and that there is no way we don't prosecute him, or at the very least, work out some kind of pardon on this.

I guess our definition of "the will to pursue TFG's crime" is different. I think getting him indicted is part of "the will to pursue TFG's crime", whether the endgame is prison or not.

[Irish_Dem]

33. Yes probabilities shifted last week.

The chance of indictment before then was very low, actually zero.

Now the dial has jumped for sure, maybe 30 to 50%.

I agree, the bar needs to be set quite low in terms of justice and Trump.

Whatever he gets, it will not be what he deserves.

[KPN]

35. I disagree with "needs to be set quite low." In fact,

it needs to be set quite high if we want to ensure this doesn’t happen again when another R css as putted the WH. Having said that, ceasing his property, stripping him of citizenship, and banishing him from our borders would be sufficient for me. Melanie and her parents as well. Probably a pipe dream, but some extremely significant personal accountability, former President or not (very likely due to Comey and Russian interference keep in mind) is what is actually needed.

[Irish_Dem]

44. I agree 100%. But we have to face reality.

Since the beginning of this country, the US government covers up for POTUS crimes, scandals and wrong doing.
Even an illegitimate POTUS like Trump.

So if Trump had been smarter, less crazy and not pissed off Mitch McConnell, Trump would have gotten away with everything.

I like your pipe dream. Mine is that Trump is dropped naked into Gitmo. Never to be seen or heard from again.

I also agree, if there is not some consequence for Trump, then I guarantee that there is another smarter sociopath
waiting in the wings for his shot at a POTUS crime spree.

[musclecar6]

36. Good points

My guess however is this arrogant fuck will fight to the finish. He will not let anybody tell him what to do. He will play all the angles which are all the things Merrick Garland is worried about indicting him for and the fucking weasel will probably get away with it just like he always has or maybe finally somebody will haul off and give him a metaphorical blast that turns the tide against him.

Also there may be some other damning evidence that nobody has heard of yet that they’ve discovered in this criminal investigation that will possibly show that he gave some of these top-secret documents info to a foreign adversary or worse yet sold it to them. We don’t know any of that yet, we’re just filling in the blanks at this point.

[Irish_Dem]

48. Yes Trump is like a serial killer, he won't stop until someone stops him.

Or until he ages out and is nonfunctional.

We can certainly make educated guesses about what he might have done with the stolen material.

Trump is obsessed with money, attention, status and power. It is not his style to steal high value items and
not do anything with them.

I think it is safe to say that there is more damning evidence unknown to the public.

[lindysalsagal]

53. He will only stop when he has no one left to call. It seems the kids are already putting him on igno

on ignore. They've turned state's evidence. He's run though all the idiot lawyers, and it's really only a matter of time before no real lawyers will take his calls.

I am looking forward to when Ivanka and Jarred lock him away in an off-shore facility with no internet or phone access. They'll pay some hourly locals to keep him locked in, fed and medicated, with faux snooze blaring in the background....That's probably the deal that will work for them and the world. We can't put him in a prison. It would be overrun with armed magats.

[we can do it]

43. Explain then, please, why they are bothering to display all the evidence? I will wait.

[Irish_Dem]

54. I think the DOJ is pressuring Trump to cop a plea and settle out of court.

Edit to add: Last week I changed chance of indictment from zero percent to perhaps 30%.

The best way to predict future events is past behavior and current facts.

It is only now that it appears Trump may have some consequences.
He has never faced justice before. Those are the hard facts.

[fightforfreedom]

7. That's what people tell us and I think it's irrelevant.

Trump must be indicted because the crimes he has committed are beyond egregious. There is no longer a choice. Trump will be prosecuted.

[malaise]

10. THIS!

A September to remember is coming😀

[The Magistrate]

8. Hard To Avoid Pulling The Trigger Now, Sir

Not to do so could only be explained by fear of maga violence, and as they say, the United States does not negotiate with terrorists....

[speak easy]

21. No - "the United States does not negotiate with terrorists"

it elects them.

[VWolf]

42. Ouch! Sad but true n/t

[Duppers]

49. ✔️

[ms liberty]

3. It would be interesting to know what the three from his desk were about

[3Hotdogs]

18. Not important. Just a couple of menus from

Comet Pizza.

Jeff Epstein asked if Donny wouldn't mind snagging a couple of menus for when he comes to D.C.

[empedocles]

6. Doesn't seem to leave much wiggle room for the trump judge

[durablend]

12. "BUT HER EMAILS!!!!!"

Don't be so sure....

[RocRizzo55]

13. Ok but when

Do they lock the bass turd up?

[UCmeNdc]

14. Wow!

[USALiberal]

15. Far from checkmate!

[Ponietz]

17. Agreed

The worst news from DOJ’s pleading? The wad’s Federal judiciary appointee(s) are highly suspect.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

22. What makes you think that just because Cannon was appointed by Benedict Donald

she's going to rule in his favor
No judge that Trump appointed during his 2020 loss ruled in his favor or any of his "lawyers" favor up to and including the SC, so why would she? Especially with this new filing by the DoJ?

[Ponietz]

26. Cannon announced a "preliminary intent" to grant the special master request

Now DOJ asserts the wad didn’t even file his motion in the correct venue. In my judgment, based on my career as an attorney, this raises huge red flags about the judge’s impartiality. I would be pleased to be wrong of course, but when SCOTUS is so clearly biased it seems reasonable to watch his frontline judicial appointments’ every step very closely.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

28. She said that before this new response by the DoJ,

and her announcing a "preliminary intent" isn't saying she will, it just means she's initially leaning towards it.

[Ponietz]

31. Yeah, that's bias

Why would any judge make such a statement when venue is clearly lacking (as DOJ asserts)?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

34. How do I know why she initially made that statement?

My point is that her initially making that statement does not mean she is ultimately going to rule that way, especially with this DoJ 36 page response.

[Ponietz]

38. Her statement helped helped him politically

And the traitor caucus got mileage. My point is that judges shouldn’t announce intentions publicly before the merits are heard. That’s optics. That’s politics. I’m not asserting she’s crooked, but the optics raise a red flag for me.

[we can do it]

46. Her statement helped the truth get out. Much more than it helped orangeanus.

[Ponietz]

52. Oh the irony!

Link to tweet

[getagrip_already]

39. lots of reasons....

She took a case she had no jurisdiction for
She wrote of preliminary intent BEFORE hearing from the doj
She overlooked lack of proper notice to doj
She basically told the tfg crew how to respond to the court (this isn't a pro se' hearing)
She is ignoring the fact that there is no EP in this case
She is ignoring that the doj is using established screening/taint procedures that were never objected to by

Just a fraction of that would establish a bias. In total, it is damning.

[musclecar6]

40. I agree

It doesn’t look good when she came out with that initial statement about her intent to grant the special magistrate. The only good part of that might be that she said that to show that she was a loyal Republican goofball and then when the DOJ came back with their response she’ll be able to say well now that we see what came back from the DOJ well now I’m not gonna grant the request because it’s so obvious what he was up to when he was obstructing justice or whatever.

Probably wishful thinking but maybe that’s how it will turn out.

[ThoughtCriminal]

55. Her best bet is to get out of this mess now

The fact that her court lacks jurisdiction should be enough.

Trying to do Trump's bidding at this point is just self-inflicted pain that will not in any way be rewarded.

[multigraincracker]

16. Are desk drawers more secure than

a private server? I doubt it.

[Claustrum]

30. You forgot, that desk is in an open to public golf resort......

Like foreign country agents don't pay money to reach an ex-president... no, none of the countries would do that.

[Lonestarblue]

32. The FBI analyzed Hillary's private server and said there was no evidence that it had been hacked.

But, of course, Comey had to get his digs in and also said that they would not be able to tell. The other big difference is that Hillary had classified email, but Comey cited only three that he said were of concern and of those three one had a small (c) for Confidential beside a paragraph buried in the text and the others were classified after the fact. None of them were messages Hillary had initiated.

[getagrip_already]

41. TS/SCI is NEVER transmitted in email

It is never accessible to unclassified networks.

It isn't what hillary had received. It was at best confidential. Confidential is the lowest level of classification, and does not represent a threat to the nation. It is information the gov't deems as proprietary for a number of reasons, just like your company surely has. Personnel records are confidential. They are not state secrets.

It (the email issue) is a red herring inflated by the gop. A nothing burger with all the fury of the gop wurlitzer.

And lets not forget that the state department own email server WAS compromised, yet hillary's was not.

[multigraincracker]

50. Thank you.

I googled her emails and the MSM articles about the "top secret" emails she sent abound.

[getagrip_already]

51. Some materials were classified later.....

After she had received the emails. If a spill investigation was never conducted, there is no way she could have known of the classification change.

So when she received them, it was not classified, nor was it marked.

[obamanut2012]

19. Mixed in with passports, etc.

I only have a few lower-level personnel files in my office, most are on Workday, but there's stuff I have to keep for about 18 more months. No SSNs, etc., but they are in my locked office, in a locked cabinet. If my superiors saw me with teh files on my desk, I would be fired.

[Mr. Ected]

29. Evidence mixed with official identification documents

Shows constructive possession of the evidence by the person on the ID.

So Trump can't claim someone else put that in his desk and he was unaware.

Checkmate.

[Aviation Pro]

27. Buh-Bye Bloated Tick

Say hello to Saul at ADX Montrose, motherfucker.

[Wicked Blue]

37. He has a desk?

I think that's a euphemism for the cardboard box next to his gold toilet.

[getagrip_already]

45. desk is a nebulous term.....

It could be a side table next to his bed. It could be a drawer in a table in a room. It could literally be the desk he uses for photo ops and eating taco bowls.

But if it was in his personal space, it would likely be constructive possession. He couldnt claim it wasn't in his posession.