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Big Government? Obama Has 273,000 Fewer Federal Employees Than Reagan
Every single Republican today talks about being a Reagan conservative. This is a conservative that believes in small government, reducing federal spending and ultimately runs a lean and mean government. They talk about this stuff in campaigns, but in practice they failed miserably.
In fact HISTORICALLY, it is has been Democratic presidents who have reduced the size of the federal government. The Republicans have lied to the people so much that I believe the current crop somehow BELIEVES the history as they have been told, rather than researching the facts for themselves. This may be a stretch, but I am trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.
According to the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, which tracks the number of employees per year, the data shows that the conservatives for small government are really just big government conservatives. I know that is an oxymoron, but numbers dont lie.
Lets start with President Carter.
On December 31st 1976 (Not Carters term yet), total nonmilitary personnel was 2,883,000. By December 31st 1980 the end of his term (minus a month), the total in nonmilitary personnel was 2,875,000.
Federal government nonmilitary employees shrunk by 8,000 employees under Carter.
http://www.politicususa.com/en/big-government-obama-reagan
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)We are supposed to like jobs.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Cuz if so...I hear about a million white heads exploding out there right now...
Octafish
(55,745 posts)...for use on something other than payroll, my Friend.
In my typically clumsy way, I wanted to make a point that Democratic presidents used to believe in the power of government to do things to make life better. That requires more than people power, that requires compassion the Republican heart finds so difficult to find and vision that the conservative mind is unable to hold.
Rex
(65,616 posts)The father of all modern conservatives - Edmund Burke - would mock these jokesters and tricksters that claim the title as nothing more then cheap ambulance chasers and pompus bureaucratic garbage collectors. A man, that was strongly for the Union and against British rule. I dare say the word conservative should be taken away from the GOP as a banned word from their vocabulary. If anything...Repukes have learned how to be 'liberal' in their nature on our economy - spend, spend, spend, spend and fuck the future generations. We don't see anything close to a conservative imo in modern politics. Just flim flam artists selling shoddy snake oil to the poor working class.
I knew what you meant Octafish...but can you imagine if Obama ends up with a more conservative record then Reagan (which he will)? It will be something I bring up everytime a relative croons about RWR I can assure you.
glowing
(12,233 posts)bhikkhu
(10,715 posts)I think many people can recall before the "information age", when most any business depended on teams of clerical workers running adding machines, and teams of switchboard operators to handle communications, and so forth. We had calculators by the 80's, but computing was still fairly labor intensive. Everything has paired-down since then.
One good example is bookkeeping at the shop where I work - 30 years ago, there would have been two full time bookkeepers and a wall of file cabinets; now one guy does the data-entry in his spare time - 30 minutes here and there - and it just takes about an extra hour or two a month to reconcile statements and print the monthly and yearly reports.
Not to argue that government doesn't need more people for many things to be done better, but there have been very real changes in the workplace that make the OP an apples-to-oranges comparison.
BumRushDaShow
(128,816 posts)because the "real" numbers are hidden by the number of contractors that have exploded during the same periods. Although IT has made things "faster", the paper certainly hasn't gone away (in fact, at least to me, it has quadrupled). Even with just the electronic portion, management of that data (and the systems that host it) now may "only" require 1 gov't person to oversee, but also requires a whole team of often-offsite contract staff as well (handling upgrades, managing the uptimes, backups, etc 24/7).
Many of the old "pool" equivalents are now contracted-out and appear "off the books" in terms of civil service presence. And these aren't all the "glamor" DOD contractors. There are many support functions, contract IT, contract HR, contract Call Centers, etc, etc.
Some interesting stats/discussion here: http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2011/jan/06/gerry-connolly/rep-gerry-connolly-says-federal-workforce-hasnt-gr/
BumRushDaShow
(128,816 posts)while Clinton slashed 250,000 federal jobs during his tenure.
I blame the lamestream media for continuing to shill the repuke crap year after year as if it were factual. They do truly follow the oxymoronic credos that if you say a thing enough times, it "must be true".
ProSense
(116,464 posts)The small government, lean and mean political party, seems to be the Democratic Party. President Clinton reduced the size of the federal governments nonmilitary employees by OVER 10%.
The so called small government President Reagan INCREASED the nonmilitary size of government by almost 10%.
That could make a good ad.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)there is a hiring freeze imposed last year and could remain for the next two years or so.