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H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 04:47 PM Sep 2022

The Fight

Last edited Tue Sep 13, 2022, 10:48 PM - Edit history (1)

“In every age it has been the tyrant, the oppressor and the exploiter who has wrapped himself in the cloak of patriotism, or religion, or both to deceive and overawe the People.”
― Eugene Victor Debs


I listen closely every time I hear Rep. Jamie Raskin speak. There are a number of Democrats in the House of Representatives who I really like, but none that I respect more than Raskin. I admire his intellect and especially his ability to communicate with the public.

Raskin pointed out that fascist, authoritarian movements are not defeated by liberals alone. I immediately began thinking about that, in the context of the very real threats to our country that the Trump cult poses. I was reminded of my own experience in 2010.

The supervisor of my hometown had made the news for his attacks on a tiny Sufi settlement in the township. The Sufi's lived on parts of what had been John & Yoko's Dream Street farms. The supervisor and two board members -- one his stepson, the other a business partner -- were best described as "mutant tea-partiers," as they had been kicked out of the region's chapter for being too extreme. When Keith Olbermann named the supervisor as "the worst person on earth," the conflict reached the international media.

I'll post a link to one news story below, then quote one sentence from it that you might notice has a familiar ring to it:
https://www.berkshireeagle.com/news/local/n-y-town-supports-sufi-community-in-controversy/article_be6a7e31-63b2-5c7f-ba1e-2e372ae94766.html

" 'I could kill Mother Teresa and this dog would still love me,' he says, before driving away." -- Sidney Town Supervisor Bob McCarthy

The leaders of the town and county Democrat Party contacted me, and requested that I help them combat the local fascists. Although I resided in a different county, I was happy to help. My focus was on uniting good people to oppose the supervisor and two board members. That was accomplished by electing a Democratic majority on the town board, for the first time in its history.

I knew that couldn't happen by appealing to just registered Democrats. For the majority of voters in the town are republicans, followed by independents. Democrats were a distant third in numbers. No, it required uniting people from both the left and right of the Democratic Party against the mutants. It took a heck of a lot of work, mind you, but we did it.

As Rep. Rasking noted, he looks forward to the day when he can again debate republicans on a variety of issues that they disagree on. But, at this time, he has to focus on getting more to oppose the fascist threat. I can relate to that. I was okay with some of the republicans from my hometown, but they aren't people I ever have socialized with. I'm likewise no fan of Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger. But I respect their service on the J6 Committee. It is mighty important in confronting the maga monster.

I have always been comfortable with "the left." I recognize that some have issues that are expressed in ways I disagree with. "But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't going to make with anyone, anyhow," as John sang. I dislike the media at times reinforcing the maga's stance that they represent the Democratic Party. This is particularly annoying, since there are many rational spokesperson for the left, who are never interviewed by the mainstream media.

Rep. Raskin's message is essential, in my opinion, for us not only to win elections in November. It is equally important in slaying the threat from the authoritarian, fascist right-wing threat to our country. Others may disagree, of course. But I think that Raskin is correct.

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The Fight (Original Post) H2O Man Sep 2022 OP
I really like listening to him speak. MuseRider Sep 2022 #1
Right. H2O Man Sep 2022 #15
That's a good analysis of how to influence the broader population. Include them all erronis Sep 2022 #2
Yes. H2O Man Sep 2022 #16
Raskin and you are both right. Escurumbele Sep 2022 #3
Exactly! H2O Man Sep 2022 #17
I too admire mr. rankin! lunatica Sep 2022 #4
It is a great H2O Man Sep 2022 #18
Well done!! Karadeniz Sep 2022 #5
Thank you! H2O Man Sep 2022 #19
Beto is taking this approach during his town halls MagickMuffin Sep 2022 #6
Very good! H2O Man Sep 2022 #20
PROFESSOR kwolf68 Sep 2022 #21
Fight on malaise Sep 2022 #7
Right. H2O Man Sep 2022 #22
Fight on malaise Sep 2022 #8
🤫. He's not Janie. LakeArenal Sep 2022 #9
To quote President Obama, H2O Man Sep 2022 #23
It's his proper name. Not a spelling error. LakeArenal Sep 2022 #25
Huge. H2O Man Sep 2022 #28
Got to love the quote from Eugene V. Debs. Five times Socialist Party presidential candidate.... RussellCattle Sep 2022 #10
K&R spanone Sep 2022 #11
Thanks! H2O Man Sep 2022 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author spanone Sep 2022 #12
"But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow" Martin Eden Sep 2022 #13
Outstanding! H2O Man Sep 2022 #26
We have seen many heroes come out of this mess. housecat Sep 2022 #14
Great point! H2O Man Sep 2022 #27
thanks housecat Sep 2022 #29

MuseRider

(34,105 posts)
1. I really like listening to him speak.
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 05:36 PM
Sep 2022

He is a good man and I am glad he is on our side. He is also brave and honest. I really do not have anything to say after reading your post but I did feel like I wanted to say that. From all the way out here where I have little representation I can listen to others and he always puts things right even under the most horrific situations in his own life. Respect.

erronis

(15,241 posts)
2. That's a good analysis of how to influence the broader population. Include them all
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 05:52 PM
Sep 2022

in the discussions. Tell them your views and information. Invite them to share the other views. Discuss.

And then go to the elections with all of the information and hope your presentation and facts are accepted.

We've got to try to break down the Us vs. Them silos. But the Others are working to keep us separated.

Escurumbele

(3,386 posts)
3. Raskin and you are both right.
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 06:06 PM
Sep 2022

Good post, thank you.

We all need to do as much as we can, even if its little to help open the eyes of those from the other side who still remain friends.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
17. Exactly!
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 10:57 PM
Sep 2022

When there is the danger of say a fire or flood, it doesn't matter if your neighbor is a Democrat or republican. You help one another.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
4. I too admire mr. rankin!
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 06:20 PM
Sep 2022

I always listen to him when I see him on tv because he’s an amazingly accurate and good speaker. He boils issues down to bite size commentary which I love to hear! Words used well are an amazing thing indeed!

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
18. It is a great
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 11:56 PM
Sep 2022

talent to be able to communicate complex things in a manner that they general public can understand. I always admire that. Carl Sagan had that ability, too.

MagickMuffin

(15,936 posts)
6. Beto is taking this approach during his town halls
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 06:55 PM
Sep 2022


He mentions the problems that need to be solved can only be solved when working together. He is getting a lot of support from republicans who say they will vote for him.

My only concern is down ballot candidates. Beto will need a democratic congress to get anything done.

And I do love Jamie Raskin as well. Something about those Constitutional law professor's, I find appealing and reassuring.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
20. Very good!
Wed Sep 14, 2022, 12:01 AM
Sep 2022

Beto is among the group of a younger generation of leaders that gives me hope for the future.

kwolf68

(7,365 posts)
21. PROFESSOR
Wed Sep 14, 2022, 12:04 AM
Sep 2022

The congressional district here in Mt Lebanon (pittsburgh PA), our candidate Deluzio is being called a ....

PROFESSOR.

On commercials. It's seriously there.

It's exactly what the Nazis did in Germany. They persecuted the arts, media (until they took it over) and intelligentsia (until they took that over too).

Nazis BANNED opposition parties. Isn't it almost the same to disenfranchise voters who would vote for the opposition party?

We are living in an attempted fascist takeover.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
7. Fight on
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 07:01 PM
Sep 2022

As you always say - it's an ongoing struggle and it requires non-stop activism and vigilance

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
22. Right.
Wed Sep 14, 2022, 12:08 AM
Sep 2022

Principles are firm. But tactics sometimes adjust. And Chief Waterman taught me that allies can be fluid.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
8. Fight on
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 07:01 PM
Sep 2022

As you always say - it's an ongoing struggle and it requires non-stop activism and vigilance

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
23. To quote President Obama,
Wed Sep 14, 2022, 12:09 AM
Sep 2022

"Well done, sir!" Where would this nation be without dedicated spelling nannies?

RussellCattle

(1,535 posts)
10. Got to love the quote from Eugene V. Debs. Five times Socialist Party presidential candidate....
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 07:38 PM
Sep 2022

.....not to mention his role as a most prominent member of our early labor movement.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
24. Thanks!
Wed Sep 14, 2022, 12:10 AM
Sep 2022

I was impressed the first time I heard him speak. And the more I hear him, the more impressed I am.

Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Martin Eden

(12,863 posts)
13. "But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow"
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 08:29 PM
Sep 2022

I thought that was an awesome lyric when I first heard it, but my awesome Aunt Kate forever etched those words in my heart.

Kate was my mother's older sister, and she lived with us most of my childhood while both my parents worked. The basement in our house was my hangout, and Aunt Kate came down one day when I was playing the White Album. She found the music interesting, and asked me about it. I mentioned that Charlie Manson cited some of it in his cult murders, and Kate was aghast that I would listen to something so awful.

I explained there was nothing evil in the music or the lyrics, and The Beatles had nothing to do with Manson's twisted use of "Helter Skelter" and other songs. I gave my Aunt Kate the lyrics included with the LP album.

She started to read and after awhile she started to chuckle, pointing to "Why don't we do it in the road? No one will be watching us, why don't we do it in the road?"

Kate continued to read and told me she really liked the lyrics of "Revolution" -- especially the "Mao" line.

Now comes the relevance of this story and why my dearly beloved deceased Aunt Kate was so awesome:

Kate Hyndman was something of a revolutionary herself.

Born 1907 she went to work in Chicago factories at age 15, and soon experienced the miserable conditions and poverty wages of that time. Always one to stand up against injustice, she became a leader in the labor movement. She joined the American Communist Party and became a district organizer, traveling the Midwest.

Forty odd years later, my Aunt Kate was one of three elderly ladies featured in the documentary film Union Maids, nominated for an Academy Award in 1976. If you have the time, watch it online. Kate is the five foot tall feisty one.

Having come over on the boat before WWI, the authorities tried to deport her during the McCarthy era. She spent 10 months in jail until they finally gave up. There was no record of her birth in my family's tiny Croatian village, and the Tito regime refused to take her.

The most caring compassionate person I've ever known, Aunt Kate was never allowed to become a citizen in the country she loved.

One April morning in 1968 I came down for breakfast to find her weeping. She had just heard on the news that Martin Luther King had been assassinated. It was a tragedy in our household, but not so much elsewhere in my neighborhood near Midway Airport in Chicago. Most of my peers at school were celebrating.

I am forever grateful to my Aunt Kate and to my parents for the values and insights they gave me.

Peace,
Martin

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
26. Outstanding!
Wed Sep 14, 2022, 12:33 AM
Sep 2022

You were fortunate to have Aunt Kate in your life. Now, it is interesting that you mentioned Dr. King. Because while he deserves all the respect in the world, there were thousands of men and women who not only made America a more perfect union in the 1900s, but who made it possible for Dr. King to reach that high level he was on. I don't say that to take away from King's efforts and sacrifices. But I remember Tadodaho Leon Shenandoah saying that he had no power, it was the people behind him that gave him the power to do what he did.

More, I've been talking to my Boston daughter, who is now at a national conference, about the men and women from both of my parents' people who were union activists. And it was harder, in many ways, to be a female union activist. My aunt tells me about my grandmother coming home from work, after being hit with eggs by some who resented her activism. So I'm proud to see the pictures that my daughter sent me over the weekend of her with Ayanna Pressley.

I've also been talking with two of my nieces about more recent union activists in our family. The last two days, I told them about some of their father's tactics as a union leader. ..... Any how, I love your post, and how it brings things to life. Got me rambling here!

housecat

(3,121 posts)
14. We have seen many heroes come out of this mess.
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 08:49 PM
Sep 2022

If we see by contrast, then MAGA helped to bring out the best in some of us.
Raskin, Beto, Biden, and others might not have been seen as clearly as they are now were it not for contrast.

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