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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJeffrey Sacks on fire on CNN - bio labs transparency needed
Chair of Lancet commissions on Covid talking about bio labs withholding info. Says we need transparency from our labs and Chinas labs.
https://www.jeffsachs.org/interviewsandmedia/nhnpggde2rc3xmh5kb2csf5ghdsndk
RAB910
(3,487 posts)complete and utter failure
womanofthehills
(8,661 posts)To find out Covid origins. Then Jeffrey found out Peter lied to him about everything including taking money from NIH. Daszaks Eco Health Alliance was funding lab work. CNNs Isa tried to turn around what Jeffrey said - but he was having non of it. She also tried to turn around what WHO said too, but Jeffrey corrected her.
RAB910
(3,487 posts)I am a Democrat, I deal in facts, science and reason
womanofthehills
(8,661 posts)womanofthehills
(8,661 posts)Phoenix61
(16,993 posts)That makes it true?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)used his big voice to spread the usual deceits about HRC.
This is fact.
As for science and reason, he did this while claiming to support progressive programs and to combat climate change, etc -- with tRump and the RW agenda the alternative. He knew what they were and betrayed himself and all who trusted them by helping elect them.
Yes, you deal in facts, science, and reason, and as another Democrat I certainly try to. I was once an admirer of Sacks, even took an energy MOOC he did.
But, Sacks cannot be trusted to. Like too many others, he lost track of facts, science, and reason, also his honor and integrity, when he wandered off his track of expertise into politics.
I haven't checked whatever this is out either, but...I would now always check before assuming.
RAB910
(3,487 posts)background
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RAB910
(3,487 posts)RAB910
(3,487 posts)How about trying something more factual and scientific
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/origins-of-sars-cov-2
womanofthehills
(8,661 posts)Its not Dem or Republican - its worldwide bio 3 and bio 4 labs.
yardwork
(61,538 posts)womanofthehills
(8,661 posts)Sacks had to disband the commission because they all lied about their connection to the labs.
EYESORE 9001
(25,908 posts)Is it really so hard?
womanofthehills
(8,661 posts)Obviously the Lancet thought he was prestigious enough to choose him to appoint the commission.
EYESORE 9001
(25,908 posts)Some people search by keyword, and a misspelled name is worthless. Specific enough for ya?
womanofthehills
(8,661 posts)To my book club while writing at the same time. I need to slow down.
RAB910
(3,487 posts)he lacks a medial, public health, or science background
EXPERTISE MATTERS
mahina
(17,616 posts)To address the crisis other than from his own political future.
The bit about labs in China makes most of us choke on the nonsense but its worth listening to the interview before judging
womanofthehills
(8,661 posts)RAB910
(3,487 posts)don't listen to the self-serving conspiracy nuts
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/origins-of-sars-cov-2
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Id like to know the answer, as well. Just because it was a conspiracy theory early on does not mean that we shouldnt make sure laboratory safety isnt given proper attention. Sachs goes after Trump and he explains very well why the world needs vaccines for a contagious virus and not just the wealthy countries.
I fear there is a whole lot we do not know and probably never will know. The families of the million Americans lost deserve answers.
Phoenix61
(16,993 posts)up as chair of a committee dealing with Covid except its run by a magazine. There is not a single government agency that is under any obligation to share information with a magazine or any committee it cares to form.
RAB910
(3,487 posts)Phoenix61
(16,993 posts)womanofthehills
(8,661 posts)Lancet, even thought it is one of the top medical journals of the world ( not just a magazine as you say) is supported by pharma and China. Jeffrey said at the time he really believed it came from animals at a wet market but then discovered all the members of the group lied about their connections with Eco Health Alliance and NIH - then there were the emails requested by US Right to Know.
Phoenix61
(16,993 posts)Hes an economist. I prefer my information on contagious diseases to come from those trained in that field.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,266 posts)Not a scientist, or a doctor, or a administrator, or a politician, who might have some expertise in pandemics and the response to them, apart from what the effect they have on the economy is.
Link to tweet
"And Ill just come right out of the gate with my assessment of the LC report with regard to origins. Its 1.5 pages of flaming hot garbage, discussed in more detail here. And its entirely due to the incompetent, hubristic leadership of Commission chair Jeffrey D. Sachs."
By Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization (VIDO) at the University of Saskatchewan, and Michael Worobey, department head of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at the University of Arizona,
Sachss increasingly speculative musing about pandemic origins culminated in a recent interview with Current Affairs, in which he directly dismissed the findings of our recent, peer-reviewed paper that established the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market as the epicenter of the pandemic, with live animals being sold there the overwhelmingly likely conduit of the virus into humans. Instead of engaging with the evidence we used to reach this conclusion, Sachs claims that we are creating a narrative to avoid addressing his preferred hypothesis: The pandemic began as a result of a conspiracy between the National Institutes of Health (NIH), NIH-funded scientists, and the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).
Sachs recently appeared on a podcast with notorious anti-vaccine advocate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., where he elaborated on these claims. He believes that American and Chinese scientists collaboratively conducted so-called gain of function researchor experiments to make a pathogen more transmissible and/or pathogenicand that this may have been part of biodefense research funded by the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), which does not include biodefense as its primary focus. Kennedy insinuates that this alleged work may have been a violation of the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention (BWC), a disarmament treaty that expressly forbids the development of such agents, to which Sachs replies You cant make this stuff up, going on to say a lot of this work is around the biodefense, highly classified environment and of course that means that the transparency, the understanding of what is going on here is so much less indeed than it otherwise might have been.
Such serious allegations should be backed up by substantive evidence. However, no such evidence is offered besides suspicions based on unfunded grant applications, speculation about NIAID director Anthony Faucis motives, and the notion that virologists are lying to protect their profession and research funds. To date, apart from these unfounded suspicions, the sole piece of evidence that supports a lab leak is the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 in Wuhan, China.
By contrast, the evidence consistent with a zoonotic origin, meaning infections that spread between animals and humans, is overwhelming and has since rendered the likelihood of a lab leakresulting from bioweapons development or notminiscule. Where a lab leak at the WIV might be expected to have led to the first COVID-19 cases being detected there, there were none. Instead, the majority of cases were at the largest live wildlife market in Wuhan, one of only a handful in the city with consistent sales.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/15/conspiracy-theories-covid-19-commission/
Giving credibility to Kennedy is unforgiveable. That shows that Sachs doesn't know what he's talking about.