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Jeffrey Sacks on fire on CNN - bio labs transparency needed (Original Post) womanofthehills Sep 2022 OP
The fake lab escape theory is just a right-wing red herring to distract from Trump's RAB910 Sep 2022 #1
Jeffrey Sacks first appointed Peter Daszak to head the commission womanofthehills Sep 2022 #2
I leave conspiracy theories to the right-wing nuts RAB910 Sep 2022 #3
How about the WHO? womanofthehills Sep 2022 #7
It's all over the news womanofthehills Sep 2022 #12
No it's not. "It's been claimed"? Really? Phoenix61 Sep 2022 #26
Well, Sacks opposed HRC, even knowing Sanders couldn't win. He also Hortensis Sep 2022 #22
He is completely unqualified to speak on the matter, he has not scientific, medical or public health RAB910 Sep 2022 #28
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Please spare me the conspiracy nonsense- I deal in facts and science ONLY RAB910 Sep 2022 #29
Instead of this FOX "News" BS conspiracy crap (CNN is really getting like FOX "news" RAB910 Sep 2022 #4
Guess you didn't watch clip - CNN is trying to refute Sacks womanofthehills Sep 2022 #8
This has been thoroughly debunked. yardwork Sep 2022 #5
Not according to this weeks news & WHO's Tedros womanofthehills Sep 2022 #10
Sachs EYESORE 9001 Sep 2022 #6
What is wrong with Sachs - be specific womanofthehills Sep 2022 #13
It's not spelled 'sacks' EYESORE 9001 Sep 2022 #14
Sorry -I'm trying to feed my chickens, and get dressed to go womanofthehills Sep 2022 #15
He is 100% UNQUALIFIED in this field RAB910 Sep 2022 #21
I listened to this interview and Sachs slammed Trump immediately for his failure mahina Sep 2022 #9
I post this again from Tedros womanofthehills Sep 2022 #11
We already have a pretty good idea where it came from RAB910 Sep 2022 #19
I watched the full interview. hamsterjill Sep 2022 #16
He's an economic professor. I have no idea how he wound Phoenix61 Sep 2022 #17
people are putting agenda ahead of facts and science RAB910 Sep 2022 #18
Yea they are. nt Phoenix61 Sep 2022 #20
Actually, I think Lancet picked him because he initially believed it came from an animal womanofthehills Sep 2022 #23
The Lancet is a for profit magazine. Phoenix61 Sep 2022 #25
Many experts think he's full of shit, and hasn't got a clue - he is an economist, after all muriel_volestrangler Sep 2022 #27

RAB910

(3,487 posts)
1. The fake lab escape theory is just a right-wing red herring to distract from Trump's
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:20 AM
Sep 2022

complete and utter failure

womanofthehills

(8,661 posts)
2. Jeffrey Sacks first appointed Peter Daszak to head the commission
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:32 AM
Sep 2022

To find out Covid origins. Then Jeffrey found out Peter lied to him about everything including taking money from NIH. Daszak’s Eco Health Alliance was funding lab work. CNN’s Isa tried to turn around what Jeffrey said - but he was having non of it. She also tried to turn around what WHO said too, but Jeffrey corrected her.

RAB910

(3,487 posts)
3. I leave conspiracy theories to the right-wing nuts
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:36 AM
Sep 2022

I am a Democrat, I deal in facts, science and reason

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. Well, Sacks opposed HRC, even knowing Sanders couldn't win. He also
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 01:36 PM
Sep 2022

used his big voice to spread the usual deceits about HRC.

This is fact.

As for science and reason, he did this while claiming to support progressive programs and to combat climate change, etc -- with tRump and the RW agenda the alternative. He knew what they were and betrayed himself and all who trusted them by helping elect them.

Yes, you deal in facts, science, and reason, and as another Democrat I certainly try to. I was once an admirer of Sacks, even took an energy MOOC he did.

But, Sacks cannot be trusted to. Like too many others, he lost track of facts, science, and reason, also his honor and integrity, when he wandered off his track of expertise into politics.

I haven't checked whatever this is out either, but...I would now always check before assuming.

RAB910

(3,487 posts)
28. He is completely unqualified to speak on the matter, he has not scientific, medical or public health
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:22 PM
Sep 2022

background

Response to RAB910 (Reply #3)

RAB910

(3,487 posts)
4. Instead of this FOX "News" BS conspiracy crap (CNN is really getting like FOX "news"
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:37 AM
Sep 2022

How about trying something more factual and scientific

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/origins-of-sars-cov-2

womanofthehills

(8,661 posts)
8. Guess you didn't watch clip - CNN is trying to refute Sacks
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:48 AM
Sep 2022

It’s not Dem or Republican - it’s worldwide bio 3 and bio 4 labs.

womanofthehills

(8,661 posts)
10. Not according to this weeks news & WHO's Tedros
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:55 AM
Sep 2022

Sacks had to disband the commission because they all lied about their connection to the labs.

womanofthehills

(8,661 posts)
13. What is wrong with Sachs - be specific
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:59 AM
Sep 2022

Obviously the Lancet thought he was prestigious enough to choose him to appoint the commission.

EYESORE 9001

(25,908 posts)
14. It's not spelled 'sacks'
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 10:08 AM
Sep 2022

Some people search by keyword, and a misspelled name is worthless. Specific enough for ya?

womanofthehills

(8,661 posts)
15. Sorry -I'm trying to feed my chickens, and get dressed to go
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 10:12 AM
Sep 2022

To my book club while writing at the same time. I need to slow down.

RAB910

(3,487 posts)
21. He is 100% UNQUALIFIED in this field
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 01:13 PM
Sep 2022

he lacks a medial, public health, or science background

EXPERTISE MATTERS

mahina

(17,616 posts)
9. I listened to this interview and Sachs slammed Trump immediately for his failure
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 09:54 AM
Sep 2022

To address the crisis other than from his own political future.

The bit about labs in China makes most of us choke on the nonsense but it’s worth listening to the interview before judging

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
16. I watched the full interview.
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 10:16 AM
Sep 2022

I’d like to know the answer, as well. Just because it was a conspiracy theory early on does not mean that we shouldn’t make sure laboratory safety isn’t given proper attention. Sachs goes after Trump and he explains very well why the world needs vaccines for a contagious virus and not just the wealthy countries.

I fear there is a whole lot we do not know and probably never will know. The families of the million Americans lost deserve answers.

Phoenix61

(16,993 posts)
17. He's an economic professor. I have no idea how he wound
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 12:47 PM
Sep 2022

up as chair of a committee dealing with Covid except it’s run by a magazine. There is not a single government agency that is under any obligation to share information with a magazine or any committee it cares to form.

womanofthehills

(8,661 posts)
23. Actually, I think Lancet picked him because he initially believed it came from an animal
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 02:28 PM
Sep 2022

Lancet, even thought it is one of the top medical journals of the world ( not just a magazine as you say) is supported by pharma and China. Jeffrey said at the time he really believed it came from animals at a wet market but then discovered all the members of the group lied about their connections with Eco Health Alliance and NIH - then there were the emails requested by US Right to Know.

Phoenix61

(16,993 posts)
25. The Lancet is a for profit magazine.
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 02:54 PM
Sep 2022

He’s an economist. I prefer my information on contagious diseases to come from those trained in that field.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,266 posts)
27. Many experts think he's full of shit, and hasn't got a clue - he is an economist, after all
Sat Sep 17, 2022, 05:12 PM
Sep 2022

Not a scientist, or a doctor, or a administrator, or a politician, who might have some expertise in pandemics and the response to them, apart from what the effect they have on the economy is.




"And I’ll just come right out of the gate with my assessment of the LC report with regard to origins. It’s 1.5 pages of flaming hot garbage, discussed in more detail here. And it’s entirely due to the incompetent, hubristic leadership of Commission chair Jeffrey D. Sachs."

Conspiracy Theories About COVID-19 Help Nobody

By Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization (VIDO) at the University of Saskatchewan, and Michael Worobey, department head of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at the University of Arizona,

Sachs’s increasingly speculative musing about pandemic origins culminated in a recent interview with Current Affairs, in which he directly dismissed the findings of our recent, peer-reviewed paper that established the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market as the epicenter of the pandemic, with live animals being sold there the overwhelmingly likely conduit of the virus into humans. Instead of engaging with the evidence we used to reach this conclusion, Sachs claims that we are “creating a narrative” to avoid addressing his preferred hypothesis: The pandemic began as a result of a conspiracy between the National Institutes of Health (NIH), NIH-funded scientists, and the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).

Sachs recently appeared on a podcast with notorious anti-vaccine advocate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., where he elaborated on these claims. He believes that American and Chinese scientists collaboratively conducted so-called gain of function research—or experiments to make a pathogen more transmissible and/or pathogenic—and that this may have been part of “biodefense” research funded by the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), which does not include biodefense as its primary focus. Kennedy insinuates that this alleged work may have been a violation of the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention (BWC), a disarmament treaty that expressly forbids the development of such agents, to which Sachs replies “You can’t make this stuff up,” going on to say “a lot of this work is around the biodefense, highly classified environment and of course that means that the transparency, the understanding of what is going on here is so much less indeed than it otherwise might have been.”

Such serious allegations should be backed up by substantive evidence. However, no such evidence is offered besides suspicions based on unfunded grant applications, speculation about NIAID director Anthony Fauci’s motives, and the notion that virologists are lying to protect their profession and research funds. To date, apart from these unfounded suspicions, the sole piece of evidence that supports a lab leak is the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 in Wuhan, China.

By contrast, the evidence consistent with a zoonotic origin, meaning infections that spread between animals and humans, is overwhelming and has since rendered the likelihood of a “lab leak”—resulting from bioweapons development or not—miniscule. Where a lab leak at the WIV might be expected to have led to the first COVID-19 cases being detected there, there were none. Instead, the majority of cases were at the largest live wildlife market in Wuhan, one of only a handful in the city with consistent sales.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/15/conspiracy-theories-covid-19-commission/

Giving credibility to Kennedy is unforgiveable. That shows that Sachs doesn't know what he's talking about.
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