Go ahead and assure me the 11th circuit will do the right thing...

[Eliot Rosewater]

I am remembering an attorney on one board who assured me there was NO WAY Gorsuch would overturn Roe.

Anyway, the 11th Circuit hears the Special Master case DOJ appeal, right? 11th Circuit is dominated by not just GOP but TRUMP judges, right?

[mn9driver]

1. If memory serves, six of the 11 judges are Trump appointees

[Scrivener7]

2. Yep. You're right. I'm hoping, but not expecting.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

3. Go ahead with your fear of Trump and distrust of the abilities of the DOJ

I prefer to have a little hope, especially given Trump's track record in court over the past few years...

[enough]

6. The question is not about distrust of the DOJ, it's about

distrust of the Trump appointed Judges on that court.

[inthewind21]

10. So

You distrust all those Trump appointed judges who denied or dismissed his 60 election fraud cases?

[emulatorloo]

14. +1. And scotus ruled he couldn't claim executive privilege anymore when Jan 6th wanted

documents.

[enough]

19. This particular court has reason for concern.

President Trump flipped the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit to a majority of Republican-appointed judges late last year. Judge Robert J. Luck was confirmed 64 to 31 and sworn in on November 19, 2019. Judge Barbara Lagoa was confirmed 80 to 15 and sworn in on December 6, 2019. Both judges are from Miami, Florida.

Authors (2020)
Caleb P. Burns Partner 202.719.7451 [e-mail]
Jeremy J. Broggi Partner 202.719.3747 [e-mail]
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Election Law & Government Ethics Issues and Appeals

The Eleventh Circuit is comprised of three states that tend to see significant election-related litigation. In 2018, three major statewide races in Florida were the subject of recounts and attendant federal and state-court lawsuits. Similarly, in Georgia, the gubernatorial election spawned a federal voting rights lawsuit that may yet make its way to the Eleventh Circuit. And perhaps the most significant Voting Rights Act case to reach the Supreme Court in the last decade, Shelby County v. Holder, 570 U.S. 529 (2013), arose from Alabama.
Although the party of the appointing president is no guarantee as to how a particular judge will vote in any given case, the change in control following the appointments of Judge Luck and Judge Lagoa is potentially significant. In the aggregate, Republican-appointed judges have tended to be more solicitous of state efforts to discourage voter fraud and curb irregularities in federal elections. In addition, Republican-appointed judges have tended to be more likely to view partisan gerrymandering as a “political question” that lacks “judicially discernible and manageable” standards, see Rucho v. Common Cause, 139 S. Ct. 2484, 2502 (2019) (per Roberts, C.J.), which for now at least may favor the Republican-controlled legislatures in Florida, Georgia, and Alabama.

[Eliot Rosewater]

7. I dont distrust the DOJ, I do think they have concerns that you and I dont have to think

about.

I guess we all agree now that even though it will be NEAR IMPOSSIBLE to find 12 jurors and not a single one being a trumper, we indict anyway.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

4. Even if they do - Trump will appeal it.

[Ohio Joe]

8. No matter which way they rule it will go to the SC

You are correct, both sides will appeal a loss.

[hamsterjill]

5. I would love to assure you, but I am afraid that I can't.

I live in reality. It’s fine to be hopeful and positive, but where Trump is concerned, I’ve learned it’s better not to get those hopes and positivity dashed.

[Skittles]

9. Gorsuch was put on the court specifically to trash Roe

so that attorney was either lying or complicit

[inthewind21]

11. Or

Not paying attention.

[Hortensis]

15. I'm 100% sure that's just the start, Skittles, and likely not

in itself among his most important goals.

A lot of people thought the extremists controlling the Federalist Society etc who engineered the SCOTUS takeover would proceed more cautiously with purging over two centuries of liberalism and progressivism from our legal system and replacing it with...what? "Whatever views Judge Neil Gorsuch may hold on the issue of abortion, they are unlikely to have an immediate impact on the court and Roe..." -- Scotusblog 2017!

This Vox article about Gorsuch 4 years later argues that his agenda's revolutionary and even anti-democracy and that he intends to "blow up" the America we inherited. He's now one of an unbeatable extremist majority.

The nihilism of Neil Gorsuch
Trump’s first Supreme Court appointee’s radical vision to remake America, explained.
https://www.vox.com/22431044/neil-gorsuch-nihilism-supreme-court-voting-rights-lgbt-housing-obamacare-constitution

[Eliot Rosewater]

18. And the liars on the SC are not done. WHEN the elections are not certified by the GOP

the SC will uphold.

WHEN a trump conviction if ever goes to SC, they will overturn.

[Kaleva]

12. What impact on your life will it have if the court rules either way?

[Hortensis]

13. DUers know it's packed with hard-right political agents, Eliot.

How about going after the LW anti-Democratic hostiles who helped elect tRump in order to bring down our government and blame Democrats? Feed them a bowl of shit, and I'll K&R.

[Eliot Rosewater]

17. You mean the:

"have to hold my nose to vote for her"

"just something about her I cant trust"

??

I want to hear ONE apology, and I know I wont hear it at Randi Rhodes show, she harassed HIllary a bunch because she believed Hillary got her fired, which never happened of course. I am still a fan, I still listen, but it is as if she never said the things she said about Hillary.

I know PROGRESSIVE and liberal friends now who will say to me "I dont want to hear about her anymore"



TTANSLATION: I still believe the LIES I have been fed about her.

[Hortensis]

20. "TRANSLATION: I still believe the LIES I have been fed about her."

Yes. And all the rest. For those who still admire the influencers and political leaders who spread the tRump-electing lies and (still) recommend the nation abandon the Democratic Party and vote against our candidates, it's as if they "never said those things." Amazing. Their numbers did shrink after 2016, but many still still bond to these deceivers and their deceits, seemingly as loyally and untouchably as the MAGAs bond to their authoritarians.

"Self-government, or a democratic republic, can only be perpetuated by the self-governed."

[Tommy Carcetti]

16. I posted this in December 2020 when Trump was still fighting the election in the Courts.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214681916

Justices Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett all owe their seats to Donald Trump (and to some extent Mitch McConnell and his hypocritical machinations as well).

They received a position for life, and one where the burden to remove them prematurely is extremely high.

No doubt about it, they will be on the wrong end of many, many bad and unsavory decisions for years to come. And that’s quite a sad and depressing fact.

But dare I say none of them want to be put in the company of Roger Brooke Taney.

None of them feel the need or loyalty to Donald Trump to the extent they would support his demands to overturn a fairly decided Presidential election and disenfranchise millions of American voters.

They got what they wanted from Trump. And now they’re done with him. And none of them want to follow him down the path towards American infamy.

This is not a matter of principle on their part but rather mere practicality.

My take: Cannon is an anomaly.

There are conservative and ultra-conservative judges when it comes to issues. But very few, if any, of them are willing to stick their neck out for Trump personally.

They're very happy for the lifetime job he gave them, but there's no further duty to bend over backwards to a ridiculous extent when it's clear that he's an affront to the law.