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Aristus

(66,286 posts)
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 03:04 PM Sep 2022

Russia's frantic grab for warm bodies reminds me of Rome after the Battle of Arausio.

105 b.c. Rome is trying to fend off an incursion into their territory known as Transalpine Gaul by Germanic tribesmen. At this time, Rome only permits property owners to serve in the legions, for two major reasons. One, they can afford their own weapons and armor, and two, only property owners are believed to have sufficient incentive to fight, as they have tangible assets to fight to protect. People who own no property are too poor to afford military equipment, and are believed to be uninterested in fighting because they have no assets to protect.

Rome's legions facing the Germans are commanded by a patrician general, and a plebian general from a lower social rank. The patrician general refuses to coordinate his movements with those of his social 'inferior', as a result, they are not able to bring a united force against the Germans when they attack. As a result the Roman legions are defeated, leaving Rome vulnerable to attack. Historians estimate a death toll of between 80,000 and 120,000 soldiers dead.

Desperate for warm bodies to fill out new legions, the Senate either decreases the property qualifications of potential soldiers, or ignores them entirely, and also sends out press gangs pulling old men out of their beds and dragging them into service, and intimidating young property owning teenage boys, the "men of the house" now that their fathers have been killed in action, into the legions.

Rome's solution to the problem is not one Russia can emulate, as terms of service have changed so drastically. Social upstart and brilliant general Gaius Marius begins to recruit his soldiers from the unpropertied, the homeless, and the unemployed of Rome, using the most powerful intangible asset there is: patriotism. While the snobbish Senators declare their outrage over an army of social nobodies, Gaius Marius welds his pauper soldiers into a first-class professional army, and together, they win battle after battle after battle for Rome, and change the legions from a part-time militia into a full-time professional force.

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Russia's frantic grab for warm bodies reminds me of Rome after the Battle of Arausio. (Original Post) Aristus Sep 2022 OP
I thought you were younger than me, but I don't remember that at all. Ocelot II Sep 2022 #1
Sometimes I feel very old. Just not THAT old. Aristus Sep 2022 #2
Seen vids of Russians showing at collection centers drunk. Kaleva Sep 2022 #3
I don't remember that at all, but I do remember being drafted.... TreasonousBastard Sep 2022 #4
Let's hope the wretched Russians blue-wave Sep 2022 #5
Thanks. Interesting story and not one I knew. Nt Biophilic Sep 2022 #6

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
4. I don't remember that at all, but I do remember being drafted....
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 03:47 PM
Sep 2022

at the height of Viet Nam when we were running out of cannon fodder.

blue-wave

(4,344 posts)
5. Let's hope the wretched Russians
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 03:56 PM
Sep 2022

lose " battle after battle after battle" and are shoved all the way back to whatever corner of the world they came from.

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