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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 08:19 AM Sep 2022

Is it just possible that a good portion of the "inflstion" we are hearing about daily is

just mega-corporations spiking their prices in an effort to defeat more Democrats in the mid-terms AND pad their earnings?

We call that "gouging".

They call that "a two-fer".

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Is it just possible that a good portion of the "inflstion" we are hearing about daily is (Original Post) Atticus Sep 2022 OP
A case of having your cake and eating it too. Yea, it is possible. Chainfire Sep 2022 #1
Of course it is! Totally. yardwork Sep 2022 #2
Global Inflation Johnny2X2X Sep 2022 #3
thanks. I think that has it pretty square. stopdiggin Sep 2022 #7
My company is (well, used to be) a JIT manufacturer VWolf Sep 2022 #28
Yes, and the problem with the FED continuing to increase interest rates is that it does not Lonestarblue Sep 2022 #32
It's really a matter of how you define gouging. From labor's standpoint, KPN Sep 2022 #40
An article in Fortune discussed this exact issue ripcord Sep 2022 #49
Exactly what they are doing Grolph_ Sep 2022 #4
Predatory Capitalism is alive and well. Emile Sep 2022 #5
Gas prices are going back up just before the midterm Emile Sep 2022 #6
also might have something to do with stopdiggin Sep 2022 #10
Sure, okay. . . Emile Sep 2022 #11
Hurricanes are always a good excuse to Jack up oil and gas prices KPN Sep 2022 #45
Why did they ever go down at all? MichMan Sep 2022 #13
Give President Biden credit! Emile Sep 2022 #14
It is greedflation. Demsrule86 Sep 2022 #8
A lot of it is Bettie Sep 2022 #39
No. brooklynite Sep 2022 #9
It's not one big conspiracy but Elessar Zappa Sep 2022 #23
Correct. It's not a conspiracy, it's a characteristic of KPN Sep 2022 #47
So are they also doing this in the UK to harm the conservative government? onenote Sep 2022 #12
Bingo, this is GLOBAL INFLATION Johnny2X2X Sep 2022 #16
You didn't really think they were going to let YOU keep all that 2020 money underpants Sep 2022 #15
+1 2naSalit Sep 2022 #17
+2 Emile Sep 2022 #18
+3 leftstreet Sep 2022 #58
It's just greed. Pure greed. themaguffin Sep 2022 #19
More than possible. Very likely! ananda Sep 2022 #20
IMO, it's just price gouging for the sake of more profits, ie... Ferrets are Cool Sep 2022 #21
That is exactly what it is. PatrickforB Sep 2022 #22
+1 Emile Sep 2022 #26
Exactly Farmer-Rick Sep 2022 #35
Absolutely. They do it every time. Wicked Blue Sep 2022 #24
Yep. Virtual cartels control so many key industries now that they can manipulate prices. TheRickles Sep 2022 #25
I know it is. Of course it is. All other so called explanations are mega woo BS Roisin Ni Fiachra Sep 2022 #27
Agree! True Blue American Sep 2022 #37
So, clearly Prairie_Seagull Sep 2022 #29
Some but not most. This was going to happen no matter WHO won the presidency. oldsoftie Sep 2022 #30
That's EXACTLY what it is. You nailed it. ancianita Sep 2022 #31
Profit taking. Marcuse Sep 2022 #33
Totally Possible NowISeetheLight Sep 2022 #34
Yes it is! True Blue American Sep 2022 #36
Yes, they're also getting corporate media to talk down the economy. GoCubsGo Sep 2022 #38
Yes, the so called economic experts blowing smoke out their asses Emile Sep 2022 #43
that's a significant factor, but most of it is driven by monetary policy Amishman Sep 2022 #41
Imagine if the repubes take the house. And they put social Meadowoak Sep 2022 #42
They'll probably raise the Social Security retirement age again. Emile Sep 2022 #59
mega-corporations spiking their prices in an effort to defeat more Democrats? Person of Interest Sep 2022 #44
Tiffany Smiley is running against Patty Murray. Mblaze Sep 2022 #46
One minute Joe is a big spending Socialist, next minute he's a Predatory Capitalist raising prices. Emile Sep 2022 #54
Tried and true unfettered capitalism. 'Murican dream, baby! rubbersole Sep 2022 #48
REMINDER: Every Single House Republican Voted Against Efforts to Lower Gas Prices Botany Sep 2022 #50
If we're not just running against Republicans, but also against mega-corporations and the media Mr. Ected Sep 2022 #51
It absolutely is. BradAllison Sep 2022 #52
More than possible, I think it's a sure thing Handler Sep 2022 #53
Past time for a windfall profits tax SouthernDem4ever Sep 2022 #55
I see it more like trying to recoup what business lost during pandemic. The biggest txwhitedove Sep 2022 #56
That's been my thinking since the supply chain woes seem to have eased. Texin Sep 2022 #57
Yes Meowmee Sep 2022 #60

Johnny2X2X

(18,969 posts)
3. Global Inflation
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 08:25 AM
Sep 2022

Last edited Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:01 AM - Edit history (1)

This is a global issue. There are still serious global supply chain issues. And a lot of what consumers globally are seeing is firms paying premiums to get the parts they need, or them buying excess stock when the parts they need finally became available. Storing inventory has costs associated with it that are being passed along. Energy prices are also a factor.

Things got all out of whack because of Covid. This has exposed some holes in Lean manufacturing/just in time delivery concepts.

Is there some gouging? Yes, no doubt about it. But if it were mostly gouging, it probably wouldn't be a global issue.

The US is navigating global inflation better than most industrialized developed nations.

stopdiggin

(11,242 posts)
7. thanks. I think that has it pretty square.
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 08:51 AM
Sep 2022

I don't doubt that there is some price gouging in the mix - but question whether it is a driving , or chief, factor that should be demanding our attention.

Lean/just in time shows a lot of benefit - when all tracks are running and the skids are greased. But - the idea that the future is (either out of necessity, efficiencies, or benevolent wish) going to uniformly provide those conditions - is and was, always more or less a fantasy and a fairy tale.

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
28. My company is (well, used to be) a JIT manufacturer
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:03 AM
Sep 2022

We now maintain some stock in anticipation of further supply chain disruptions. So far, however, we have not needed to increase our prices.

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
32. Yes, and the problem with the FED continuing to increase interest rates is that it does not
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:20 AM
Sep 2022

address a big part of the primary problem, which is the supply chain driving up costs. The US trend of outsourcing as much as possible and stocking no inventory has now shown itself to be a policy that drives efficiency but doesn’t work when it takes weeks or months to get products.

And it takes time to resolve those issues, time the FED isn’t waiting for as they promise several more increase in the near future. In the past, it has been the FED that sent us into recession. They’re on track to do it again.

KPN

(15,635 posts)
40. It's really a matter of how you define gouging. From labor's standpoint,
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:44 AM
Sep 2022

gouging has been going on for decades now. But even from an economists perspective (supply, demand, price, factors of production, etc) there is certainly evidence of gouging in revenue and profit levels. Yeah, there are supply chain issues, yes they are global as is inflation, but there is plenty of gouging as well.

Grolph_

(50 posts)
4. Exactly what they are doing
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 08:25 AM
Sep 2022

Preventing FED actions from reigning in the economy. Only for gains on the markets.
401Ks loose while exclusive hedge funds profit.

stopdiggin

(11,242 posts)
10. also might have something to do with
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 08:53 AM
Sep 2022

the calendar (heading into winter) and a global tightening of supply?

KPN

(15,635 posts)
45. Hurricanes are always a good excuse to Jack up oil and gas prices
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:49 AM
Sep 2022

as well. Big industry cannot give up and will not voluntarily wean itself from record profits. If refineries are going to be paused due to coming hurricanes, industry needs to raise consumer prices ahead of time to sustain those profit levels. It’s a simple concept: blind unabashed greed.

Bettie

(16,071 posts)
39. A lot of it is
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:42 AM
Sep 2022

because they are jacking the prices up far beyond their additional costs.

They were making profits before, they are making exponentially more now, and when the supply chain problems abate, I doubt prices will go down.

Elessar Zappa

(13,909 posts)
23. It's not one big conspiracy but
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:51 AM
Sep 2022

don’t you agree that *some* companies may use legitimate inflationary pressure to raise prices more than they should to pad their profits? I don’t think it’s out of the question.

KPN

(15,635 posts)
47. Correct. It's not a conspiracy, it's a characteristic of
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:51 AM
Sep 2022

globalized supply-side capitalism in the face of current global instabilities and increasingly daunting and disruptive hurricane/typhoon seasons.

Johnny2X2X

(18,969 posts)
16. Bingo, this is GLOBAL INFLATION
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:18 AM
Sep 2022

It is GLOBAL INFLATION!

Argentina has 50% inflation.
UK 10%
Canada 7.6%
Turkey is at 80% inflation, can you imagine the crisis if that happened in the US?

US dropping to about 8% seems like we're right in the middle for developed countries.

And you've got legit hyper inflation in Venezuela right now.

This is a global issue, the more Dems say "Global inflation", the better off we'll be. The Biden administration is doing everything possible to ease inflation, but they can't do a whole lot to ease the pressures on supply chains in China, India, and other Asian countries.

underpants

(182,603 posts)
15. You didn't really think they were going to let YOU keep all that 2020 money
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:08 AM
Sep 2022

Last edited Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:54 AM - Edit history (1)

of THEIRS in your pocket now did you?

Ferrets are Cool

(21,102 posts)
21. IMO, it's just price gouging for the sake of more profits, ie...
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:46 AM
Sep 2022

our corporate overlords can buy more yachts.

PatrickforB

(14,558 posts)
22. That is exactly what it is.
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:51 AM
Sep 2022

Consider gas. The price per barrel of oil has gone down to around $70. But we had a spike in prices at the pump.

Two reasons: increasing profits for shareholders, and trying to make Biden look bad the month before the election.

But no: The current inflation is all about corporate price gouging.

I mean, think about health care - in August, the CPI numbers showed that the cost of healthcare services had risen 5.6% from the prior year, but the cost of health INSURANCE was up over 24%.

Think about that for a minute.

SOMEBODY is getting gouged here and it is us.

Ironic, isn't it, how the Fed is talking about wage inflation - anytime wages start to go up, the Wall Street profit gods panic. Anything good for workers and their families is automatically bad, painted with the brush of socialism. Anyway, wages have moved up right along with inflation, but they aren't CAUSING inflation. Corporate price gouging to recapture profits they lost during the pandemic.

It is all about the REAL God worshipped here in 'Murika.

Money.

Farmer-Rick

(10,135 posts)
35. Exactly
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:26 AM
Sep 2022

Well put.

I was wondering why lettuce in east TN went up last spring and summer when everyone I know was growing lettuce in their back yards. And tomatoes going up in the summer???

And why did beef go up when now is the time most people here slaughter a steer and split the costs? Why do prices go up in the middle of abundance?

Whatever happened to supply and demand?

Wicked Blue

(5,819 posts)
24. Absolutely. They do it every time.
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:53 AM
Sep 2022

It happens like clockwork.

Republicans run up the national debt by giving away huge tax breaks to the rich and big corporations.

Democrats inherit this mess, and do what they can to balance the budget.

In the next election cycle, Republicans raise prices and scream "Inflation!"

TheRickles

(2,047 posts)
25. Yep. Virtual cartels control so many key industries now that they can manipulate prices.
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:55 AM
Sep 2022

And if the war in Ukraine is the justification (ie, esp. with oil), then it becomes war profiteering. During WWII, that was considered nearly treasonous, and limits were finally placed on the practice by Sen. Truman and FDR. We need an excess profits tax now, to break the cycle.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
27. I know it is. Of course it is. All other so called explanations are mega woo BS
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 09:59 AM
Sep 2022

corporate 'splainin.

Those responsible for the gouging need to go to prison for a long, long time.

oldsoftie

(12,489 posts)
30. Some but not most. This was going to happen no matter WHO won the presidency.
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:13 AM
Sep 2022

There was simply too much money pumped into the system and top it off with Putin shitting on the world. The US wasnt the only country that pumped cash into their system either. Others did the same & see similar results.
If UKR hadn't been invaded gas would be about where it was in 2019 I'm fairly sure. Maybe 10-15% higher due, again, to Putins bullshit.

But when I hear "supply chain issues" as the excuse for a price increase & its a company that just provides LABOR then yeah I think they're taking advantage of the situation.

ancianita

(35,932 posts)
31. That's EXACTLY what it is. You nailed it.
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:17 AM
Sep 2022

They've got their audience of dupes who they've gouged, and hope it shows up in Republican voter turnout. It's all bullshit, and I hope Biden gives a televised speech on that.

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
34. Totally Possible
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:23 AM
Sep 2022

Look at the record profits for the big oil companies. I suspect you’ll see a big drop in gas prices post-election. They want the Republicans back so they can have more tax cuts and less environmental regulation.

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
36. Yes it is!
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:37 AM
Sep 2022

Plain old gouging!

I bought soft drinks,4 for $12 last week. When I looked at my bill it was $2.50 apiece…

This week their sale sign said 3 for $14.00! Before I thought I said, “ Oh, Lord, I bought them for,etc.” another woman said,” That is what I was thinking!” The big box store is 50 cents to $1.00 cheaper on everything. So is ALDIS An their Birman products are more than a match for Name Brand.

GoCubsGo

(32,074 posts)
38. Yes, they're also getting corporate media to talk down the economy.
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:41 AM
Sep 2022

Something they like to accuse Democrats of doing.

Emile

(22,480 posts)
43. Yes, the so called economic experts blowing smoke out their asses
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:47 AM
Sep 2022

pointing their fingers at Democratic politicians to cover up what is really going on. They did the same damn thing to Jimmy Carter.

Amishman

(5,554 posts)
41. that's a significant factor, but most of it is driven by monetary policy
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:45 AM
Sep 2022

reposting, because this is a big deal and I don't see many people talking about this. It is easy to blame corporate greed - especially when it is real and a significant factor - but we need to understand the whole picture.

The increase in the amount of money in circulation is a major driver of inflation, and the Federal reserve is responsible for an absurd amount of back-door money printing with their asset purchase program.

The Fed's balance sheet peaked at 8.962 trillion.

Feb 2020 it was 4.166 trillion.

They have started unloading their mountain of securities, but the balance is still 8.822 trillion.

You can't grow the money supply that rapidly without steady inflation.

M2 money supply was 15.458 trillion in Feb 2020. It is now 21.709 trillion. We increased our money supply by a third without growing our actual GDP by anything like that much. Prices will continue to rise to rebalance vs the money supply. Worse, inflation changes spending habits (increasing the velocity of money), acting as a multiplier for that money supply growth.

We're actually fortunate that prices are somewhat sticky, meaning the glut of capital pumped into the economy is very delayed in its impact. There is still time to get the Fed to accelerate their mountain of securities and pull back in the excess liquidity before prices align with the overall money supply.

Until the money supply is reduced by unwinding that excess liquidity, inflation will keep erasing Americans finances. Simply too much money in circulation.

Meadowoak

(5,535 posts)
42. Imagine if the repubes take the house. And they put social
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:45 AM
Sep 2022

Security and medicare on the chopping block, they will try to hold it hostage, just like the budget. What will we have to give up every year just to keep them from gutting SS and medicare. The will use that like no bargaining chip they've ever had before.

Person of Interest

(365 posts)
44. mega-corporations spiking their prices in an effort to defeat more Democrats?
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:48 AM
Sep 2022

No, current inflation is the result of mega-corporations maximizing profits in the interest of shareholder value.

Mblaze

(257 posts)
46. Tiffany Smiley is running against Patty Murray.
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 10:50 AM
Sep 2022

She is running an ad that claims that Biden and Murray are “working overtime” to raise prices on Americans. She complains about the higher prices for eggs without mentioning that 36 million chickens were killed last year due to bird flu. Why would we vote for someone who doesn’t make that real connection for egg prices but instead, uses it to make cheap political points?

Emile

(22,480 posts)
54. One minute Joe is a big spending Socialist, next minute he's a Predatory Capitalist raising prices.
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:12 AM
Sep 2022

Republican voters are not smart enough to see through their politicians bullshit!

Botany

(70,447 posts)
50. REMINDER: Every Single House Republican Voted Against Efforts to Lower Gas Prices
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:05 AM
Sep 2022

As Big Oil rakes in record profits on the backs of struggling Americans, let’s not forget that every single House Republican voted against legislation to crack down on gas price gouging. While Democrats remain laser-focused on bringing down costs for families, Republicans in Congress have repeatedly failed to deliver for the American people.

CBS News: “The House of Representatives passed a bill along party lines that seeks to lower gas prices by cracking down on alleged price gouging by energy companies. The House vote was 217-207: no Republican supported the bill.”

https://democrats.org/news/reminder-every-single-house-republican-voted-against-efforts-to-lower-gas-prices/

******

"They" want inflation in order to hurt the American people so they will blame and vote against the democrats.
You can see it on the TV machine when the anchors are almost giddy reporting about high gas prices, inflation,
and just when will that recession take hold?

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
51. If we're not just running against Republicans, but also against mega-corporations and the media
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:05 AM
Sep 2022

I'd say we better not take our voting rights lightly. It's us against them, and THEM is a lot more formidable than the hapless goons Lindsey Graham, MTG, Donald Trump, et al.

THEM don't subscribe to the Constitution. Their bible is capitalism and the almighty dollar. We the people are their means to their ends.

BradAllison

(1,879 posts)
52. It absolutely is.
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:06 AM
Sep 2022

It's full of shit caterwalling from finance guys who don't actually know anything about finance at all.

txwhitedove

(3,926 posts)
56. I see it more like trying to recoup what business lost during pandemic. The biggest
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:16 AM
Sep 2022

hit so far has been $120 month increase in auto and home insurance, after making agent renegotiate. Why? No accidents or tickets, same excellent credit, home improvents, no real reason.

Texin

(2,590 posts)
57. That's been my thinking since the supply chain woes seem to have eased.
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:23 AM
Sep 2022

These corporations are the rethugs' donor class and, based on the leaked rethug proposals to obliterate Social Security/Medicare and the ACA, they are pandering to those corporations and the .01% of the population. They've been hoping for the chance to do that since the New Deal was enacted. How in the hell there are people who consistently vote rethug who also happen to be receiving SSI/Medicare benefits on a monthly basis are blithely unaware that the monthly benefits they've been relying on to live, house themselves and feed themselves is absolutely being promised to be gutted by the politicians they plan to vote for in November, I'll never understand. I guess it's simply a factor of not realizing that they'll regret their vote when their benefits are gutted and they have try to get low wage part-time gig or go live under a bridge somewhere.

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