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H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 06:31 PM Sep 2022

"Follies of God"

“For nothing is fixed,
forever and forever and forever,
it is not fixed;
the earth is always shifting,
the light is always changing,
the sea does not cease to grind down rock.
Generations do not cease to be born,
and we are responsible to them because we are the only witnesses they have.
The sea rises, the light fails, lovers cling to each other,and children cling to us.
The moment we cease to hold each other,
the moment we break faith with one another,
the sea engulfs us and the light goes out.”
-from Nothing Personal by James Baldwin


Twenty years ago, my nephews told me about a writer who had punlished a book I needed to read. They said it was the best documentation of the lies that resulted in our country's going to war in Iraq. About a year later, they showed me an article by this journalist about the growing "Plame scandal." It was on that day that I joined the Democratic Underground.

There began a series of discussions that were known as the "Plame Threads." An ecletic group of forum members participated, adding to the group's understanding of the connections between the war, the scandal, and the lies coming out of the Bush-Cheney administration.

It was a great time, and a lot of friendships grew out of those discussions. I was fortunate to become friends with the author of that book, William Rivers Pitt. Both on and off of this forum, he and I discussed a heck of a lot of things. Our common respect for Muhammad Ali, music, journalism, and eventually families.

Will and I came from different worlds that exist within the United States. For example, he was of my nephews' generation, which had a related but distinct life experience than my generation. But we shared a lot of values, which allowed for great communication. And reading his contributions on DU, I began to suspect that one of his early ancestors had, like my own, been one of the ancient settlers in what would become Munster, just south of the River Shannon.

Having daughters can bring out the best in any man. It can take off the rough edges, so to speak, and civilize us in the manner that helps us reach our human potential. All family relationships are thus, of course. But I hope that having a daughter helps more men become better people, than those men who become worse.

I last communicated with Will in the middle of this month. Last week, I was going to tell him to be sure to watch an up-coming welterweight "super fight," between two undefeated champions. But his most recent post focused on some of the lyrics to the song "Landslide," by Fleetwood Mac. So I asked my daughter to send me a copy of her and a friend performing that song, to share with Will.

But that opportunity has passed. Instead, I find myself reading the memories of his friends, both here and elsewhere. Having family and friends die becomes all too common when one reaches my age, but it is particularly difficult when it is someone young, with a child or children to raise. Reading these memories of Will from his friends makes it a little less horrible.

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"Follies of God" (Original Post) H2O Man Sep 2022 OP
Lovely OP malaise Sep 2022 #1
Yeah. H2O Man Sep 2022 #2
Thanks for sharing. vanlassie Sep 2022 #3
Thank you! H2O Man Sep 2022 #4
K&R Docreed2003 Sep 2022 #5
Thank you! H2O Man Sep 2022 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author H2O Man Sep 2022 #10
Oh how I remember countingbluecars Sep 2022 #6
I really enjoyed H2O Man Sep 2022 #11
Very sad about Will Pitt Saoirse9 Sep 2022 #7
Thanks! H2O Man Sep 2022 #12
It was fun yes Saoirse9 Sep 2022 #18
Will Pitt was brilliant and fearless. Kid Berwyn Sep 2022 #8
Right. H2O Man Sep 2022 #15
... Nevilledog Sep 2022 #13
Thank you! H2O Man Sep 2022 #16
Condolences to you leftstreet Sep 2022 #14
Thanks! H2O Man Sep 2022 #17
K&R spanone Sep 2022 #19

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
5. K&R
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 07:08 PM
Sep 2022

My most sincere condolences on the loss of your friend. As a community, our strength rests upon our shared exerpiences , both highs and lows. Last night when the news was posted, and today with posts of remembrance, and in your post tonight are those times that we come together in shared grief as a community. "Nothing is fixed"; that is certainly true, and attachment to the fixed can only bring suffering. For the detractors who have chosen this moment to air grievances, I hope that they can let go of attachments to a singular moment that did not define Mr Pitt, no matter how much they may wish it to be so, because dredging up old grievances only brings suffering to everyone involved. Likewise, those who mourn this passing, it is natural to greave and make every attempt to hang on and refuse to give up this life that has passed on. I'd like to think that we will smile and continue to see Mr Pitt every time we stand up and speak truth to power, when we organize and work to elect individuals who represent our core beliefs, and when we hold those in power accountable.

Thank you for this loving tribute. It certainly honors your friend. I hope you know just how much your contributions here mean to people and how much they are valued.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
9. Thank you!
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:53 PM
Sep 2022

A friend spoke about the "DU tribe" from that time, which I think captures it very well. I think Will's community of friends, including those still on this forum, are primarily concerned with his daughter and mother at this time. His mom is a DUer, and a rational voice here. But no parent should bury a child. His daughter is young, and appears full of spunk to me 00 exactly as little girls should be. No little child should bury their parent.

The late Cus D'Amato used to say that nature teaches us. As we become old, we witness family and friends passing away at what seems a faster pace. It teaches us many things if we think about it, something I have more time to do these days. To concentrate on what is important, and let go of old gripes. Don't pick scabs that prevent healing. Take no one for granted.

Again, thank you. And unless I get kicked off, people here will have to put up with me for at least a couple more decades.

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H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
11. I really enjoyed
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 11:57 PM
Sep 2022

contributing to those threads! What a time! As fate had it, a young fellow who was associated with a politician near DC would, when talking to an MSNBC employee, would say, "Hey, you should read these things on DU." DU was playing hardball, so to speak.

Saoirse9

(3,676 posts)
7. Very sad about Will Pitt
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 07:16 PM
Sep 2022

I hope your memories are a comfort to you.

I remember him well from the Plame days.

Saoirse9

(3,676 posts)
18. It was fun yes
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 10:06 AM
Sep 2022

but also scary. It was the first time I could remember being afraid for this country. Little did we know what we were in for years later!

Kid Berwyn

(14,877 posts)
8. Will Pitt was brilliant and fearless.
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 07:32 PM
Sep 2022

He published in-print, online and in-person under his own name. He spoke truth to power and peace to others.

Thank you for sharing, H2O Man. I remember Will from when DU was new. He gave the election stealing bastards the what’s-for. His books scorched the War Party.

My heart is broken for his family and friends. I also hurt for what his loss means for the world’s future.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
15. Right.
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 12:14 AM
Sep 2022

My nephews had actually shown me an essay by Will a few weeks earlier, and told me I needed to join. I found myself reading other OP/threads. In one, some people had said some rude things about an attorney friend of mine. I attempted to send an e-mail to the site's administrator, saying that a few of the comments were inaccurate, and requesting he fix that. Obviously, I had no technical skills, much less understanding of the internet back then. I told my nephews about my attempt to joing the conversation, which they thought was a giggle. They explained, in very simple terms, what I needed to do!

Reading through discussions on the other OP/threads about Will, I am reminded of others from the Iraq War/ Plame times, who are no longer here. What a collection of people, putting their minds togather, and working together. Another old friend spoke of the "DU clan" from back then. I like that, and it reminds me that Chief Waterman said when people put their minds together for good, that's the Power of the Good Mind.

When I first heard this yesterday, I was hoping it was wrong. A mistake. But people who knew Will better than me assured me it was true.

leftstreet

(36,106 posts)
14. Condolences to you
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 12:13 AM
Sep 2022

Most of us didn't actually know Will or have mutual interests outside of DU, so your grief is multi-layered. Very kind of you to share your experiences.



H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
17. Thanks!
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 12:21 AM
Sep 2022

There are a number of people here who knew Will better than I did. I think we all connected with him on an individual level. Will knew a lot of people, and touched a lot of lives. He was a good man.

Last night, I wrote a longer piece on knowing Will, for myself. Trying to make sense out of things. Today I wrote a brief version of it to post here. I'm glad that some people like it.

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