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Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:45 PM

Louisiana's Infamous Angola Prison Will Now Lock Up Children

In the coming days, Louisiana officials will incarcerate about two dozen children inside the old death row of Louisiana State Penitentiary, also called Angola, a massive maximum security prison for adult men that was once notorious for its violence.

Children as young as 10 with a history of assault may be transferred from their current juvenile correctional facilities to the former death row, where they will sleep in windowless cells with floor-to-ceiling metal bars that lock them in. The conditions are more punitive than those at the state’s high-security juvenile facilities, where kids normally sleep in dorms. The Office of Juvenile Justice will house the children at Angola temporarily while finishing construction on another place to detain them.

Several Louisiana law clinics and the ACLU sued to try to stop the transfers, arguing that keeping children at the adult prison—even temporarily—was unconstitutional and psychologically harmful, and that it might increase their risk of suicide. Though the kids will be housed separately from the adult men, the facility “is going to scream ‘prison’” to them, Vincent Schiraldi, a juvenile justice expert for the plaintiffs and the former commissioner of the New York City Department of Correction, told the court.

But on Friday, Chief District Judge Shelly Dick reluctantly signed off on the plan, stating that incarcerating kids at Angola would potentially be “traumatizing” for them, but that government officials had nowhere better to keep the kids, who pose security risks. “The prospect of putting a teenager to bed at night in a locked cell behind razor wire surrounded by swamps at Angola is disturbing,” the judge wrote. But “the threat of harm these youngsters present to themselves, and others, is intolerable.”

https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2022/09/louisianas-infamous-angola-prison-will-now-lock-up-children/

Lousyanna. That is all.

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Jilly_in_VA Sep 30 OP
live love laugh Sep 30 #1
jimfields33 Sep 30 #6
Archae Sep 30 #2
jimfields33 Sep 30 #3
WhiskeyGrinder Sep 30 #5
jimfields33 Sep 30 #8
WhiskeyGrinder Sep 30 #10
Archae Sep 30 #7
jimfields33 Sep 30 #9
WhiskeyGrinder Sep 30 #4
questionseverything Sep 30 #12
WhiskeyGrinder Sep 30 #14
questionseverything Sep 30 #15
WhiskeyGrinder Sep 30 #16
Elessar Zappa Sep 30 #11
questionseverything Sep 30 #13
Maru Kitteh Oct 1 #17

Response to Jilly_in_VA (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:52 PM

1. So forced birth is basically fodder for the prison pipeline?

And I have to ask: what’s the racial/ethnic composition of the children? It’s a rhetorical question that I am sure I know the answer to.

Make it make sense.

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Response to live love laugh (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:06 PM

6. I hope it's anybody who who has an assault, murder, any violence on their record.

Since it’s 24 people, I’m sure they are the most dangerous.

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Response to Jilly_in_VA (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:57 PM

2. I just saw an article about these "children."

Four boys who had a kidnapping plot against a classmate and her Father, it fell apart and all four are now in jail cells.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/hero-father-thwarted-alleged-kidnapping-attempt-prays-peace/story?id=51127499

These are not "children."

They are thugs who deserve to be in Angola.

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Response to Archae (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:04 PM

3. Yes these are people doing major crimes.

This is not a kid stealing a candy bar. These are dangerous criminals who probably have a chance to do it again if allowed.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:06 PM

5. They are not, actually.

These conditions are overly punitive for children who are not even criminals, but are rather deemed “delinquents” and held in civil detention. “Arbitrarily transferring young people” to “a place with thousands of people convicted of crimes…is clearly punishment, which is not permitted for those who are civilly detained, and violates young people’s due process rights under the Fourteenth Amendment,” the attorneys wrote in their complaint.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:10 PM

8. In the article, it says a history of assault.

Have they not had the trial yet?

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:26 PM

10. If they aren't tried as adults, young people are adjudicated differently.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:10 PM

7. In Oshkosh they are looking for a bunch of kids stealing catalytic converters.

They've hit school bus companies twice now, and replacing just ONE costs $1200.

And these punks are stealing DOZENS from school buses.

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Response to Archae (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:12 PM

9. Taxpayers should be outraged and demand they be caught and charged.

This is happening all over the country with cars and other modes of transportation.

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Response to Archae (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:05 PM

4. The kids they're talking about in the article don't have criminal charges against them, so not sure

why you're bringing this random article into it, besides satisfying your inclination to proclaim certain people "thugs" and deny their humanity or, for that matter, childhood.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 06:52 PM

12. How can breaking out of detention, doing a car jacking, shooting the driver

Not bring criminal charges?

I understand this not a good situation but, the article says, the other children are afraid to sleep at night because these kids “jump” them

There have also been bones broken

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #12)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 07:02 PM

14. If they're not charged as adults, they're adjudicated differently. If they aren't serving adult

time, the should not be in an adult facility, let alone what used to be fucking death row.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 07:10 PM

15. You aren't explaining how or why they are adjudicated differently

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #15)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 07:14 PM

16. Depending on the state, kids of a certain age are legally held to unable to commit a crime, so

they are adjudicated in juvenile court. When you hear "tried as an adult," that means they're adjudicated in "regular" criminal court. Juvenile offenders are held in juvenile facilities, not adult ones, which Angola is.

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Response to Archae (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:28 PM

11. Fuck that.

All our prison system does is produce more criminals. Plus, imost prisoners are minorities. Do you think minorities are inherently more criminal? No, it’s pure racism. Angola should be razed to the ground.

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Response to Archae (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 06:54 PM

13. That's from 2017, the youngest would be 20 by now

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Response to Jilly_in_VA (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2022, 01:49 AM

17. This will become precedent, and then it will become the trend. Nt.

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