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Jilly_in_VA

(9,945 posts)
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:45 PM Sep 2022

Louisiana's Infamous Angola Prison Will Now Lock Up Children

In the coming days, Louisiana officials will incarcerate about two dozen children inside the old death row of Louisiana State Penitentiary, also called Angola, a massive maximum security prison for adult men that was once notorious for its violence.

Children as young as 10 with a history of assault may be transferred from their current juvenile correctional facilities to the former death row, where they will sleep in windowless cells with floor-to-ceiling metal bars that lock them in. The conditions are more punitive than those at the state’s high-security juvenile facilities, where kids normally sleep in dorms. The Office of Juvenile Justice will house the children at Angola temporarily while finishing construction on another place to detain them.

Several Louisiana law clinics and the ACLU sued to try to stop the transfers, arguing that keeping children at the adult prison—even temporarily—was unconstitutional and psychologically harmful, and that it might increase their risk of suicide. Though the kids will be housed separately from the adult men, the facility “is going to scream ‘prison’” to them, Vincent Schiraldi, a juvenile justice expert for the plaintiffs and the former commissioner of the New York City Department of Correction, told the court.

But on Friday, Chief District Judge Shelly Dick reluctantly signed off on the plan, stating that incarcerating kids at Angola would potentially be “traumatizing” for them, but that government officials had nowhere better to keep the kids, who pose security risks. “The prospect of putting a teenager to bed at night in a locked cell behind razor wire surrounded by swamps at Angola is disturbing,” the judge wrote. But “the threat of harm these youngsters present to themselves, and others, is intolerable.”

https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2022/09/louisianas-infamous-angola-prison-will-now-lock-up-children/

Lousyanna. That is all.

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Louisiana's Infamous Angola Prison Will Now Lock Up Children (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Sep 2022 OP
So forced birth is basically fodder for the prison pipeline? live love laugh Sep 2022 #1
I hope it's anybody who who has an assault, murder, any violence on their record. jimfields33 Sep 2022 #6
I just saw an article about these "children." Archae Sep 2022 #2
Yes these are people doing major crimes. jimfields33 Sep 2022 #3
They are not, actually. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #5
In the article, it says a history of assault. jimfields33 Sep 2022 #8
If they aren't tried as adults, young people are adjudicated differently. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #10
In Oshkosh they are looking for a bunch of kids stealing catalytic converters. Archae Sep 2022 #7
Taxpayers should be outraged and demand they be caught and charged. jimfields33 Sep 2022 #9
The kids they're talking about in the article don't have criminal charges against them, so not sure WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #4
How can breaking out of detention, doing a car jacking, shooting the driver questionseverything Sep 2022 #12
If they're not charged as adults, they're adjudicated differently. If they aren't serving adult WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #14
You aren't explaining how or why they are adjudicated differently questionseverything Sep 2022 #15
Depending on the state, kids of a certain age are legally held to unable to commit a crime, so WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #16
Fuck that. Elessar Zappa Sep 2022 #11
That's from 2017, the youngest would be 20 by now questionseverything Sep 2022 #13
This will become precedent, and then it will become the trend. Nt. Maru Kitteh Oct 2022 #17

live love laugh

(13,081 posts)
1. So forced birth is basically fodder for the prison pipeline?
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:52 PM
Sep 2022

And I have to ask: what’s the racial/ethnic composition of the children? It’s a rhetorical question that I am sure I know the answer to.

Make it make sense.

jimfields33

(15,703 posts)
6. I hope it's anybody who who has an assault, murder, any violence on their record.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 06:06 PM
Sep 2022

Since it’s 24 people, I’m sure they are the most dangerous.

Archae

(46,301 posts)
2. I just saw an article about these "children."
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:57 PM
Sep 2022

Four boys who had a kidnapping plot against a classmate and her Father, it fell apart and all four are now in jail cells.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/hero-father-thwarted-alleged-kidnapping-attempt-prays-peace/story?id=51127499

These are not "children."

They are thugs who deserve to be in Angola.

jimfields33

(15,703 posts)
3. Yes these are people doing major crimes.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 06:04 PM
Sep 2022

This is not a kid stealing a candy bar. These are dangerous criminals who probably have a chance to do it again if allowed.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,309 posts)
5. They are not, actually.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 06:06 PM
Sep 2022
These conditions are overly punitive for children who are not even criminals, but are rather deemed “delinquents” and held in civil detention. “Arbitrarily transferring young people” to “a place with thousands of people convicted of crimes…is clearly punishment, which is not permitted for those who are civilly detained, and violates young people’s due process rights under the Fourteenth Amendment,” the attorneys wrote in their complaint.

Archae

(46,301 posts)
7. In Oshkosh they are looking for a bunch of kids stealing catalytic converters.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 06:10 PM
Sep 2022

They've hit school bus companies twice now, and replacing just ONE costs $1200.

And these punks are stealing DOZENS from school buses.

jimfields33

(15,703 posts)
9. Taxpayers should be outraged and demand they be caught and charged.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 06:12 PM
Sep 2022

This is happening all over the country with cars and other modes of transportation.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,309 posts)
4. The kids they're talking about in the article don't have criminal charges against them, so not sure
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 06:05 PM
Sep 2022

why you're bringing this random article into it, besides satisfying your inclination to proclaim certain people "thugs" and deny their humanity or, for that matter, childhood.

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
12. How can breaking out of detention, doing a car jacking, shooting the driver
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 07:52 PM
Sep 2022

Not bring criminal charges?

I understand this not a good situation but, the article says, the other children are afraid to sleep at night because these kids “jump” them

There have also been bones broken

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,309 posts)
14. If they're not charged as adults, they're adjudicated differently. If they aren't serving adult
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 08:02 PM
Sep 2022

time, the should not be in an adult facility, let alone what used to be fucking death row.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,309 posts)
16. Depending on the state, kids of a certain age are legally held to unable to commit a crime, so
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 08:14 PM
Sep 2022

they are adjudicated in juvenile court. When you hear "tried as an adult," that means they're adjudicated in "regular" criminal court. Juvenile offenders are held in juvenile facilities, not adult ones, which Angola is.

Elessar Zappa

(13,911 posts)
11. Fuck that.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 06:28 PM
Sep 2022

All our prison system does is produce more criminals. Plus, imost prisoners are minorities. Do you think minorities are inherently more criminal? No, it’s pure racism. Angola should be razed to the ground.

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