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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe news report Trump went through the documents himself is damning evidence.
It looks like there are plenty of witnesses in the secret document investigation which is bad news for Trump. Trump himself decided what documents to send back to the archives and what ones he would illegally keep, hide. Trump fucked up, he usually gets someone else to do his dirty work for him. This time he did the dirty work himself and he is fucked.
I have no doubt Trump is going to indicted. It's just a matter of time.
niyad
(113,074 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,961 posts)He needs to be indicted, tried, convicted, sentenced, and incarcerated. Then he can stroke out if he likes.
If he dies before, then millions will forever after say "he was hounded to death by the deep state" and millions more will believe it and not hear about the traitorous espionage and obstruction.
niyad
(113,074 posts)He is very dangerous.
TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts)Marcuse
(7,446 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,422 posts)to be convicted, hear the jail door slam shut, and then die shortly after the humiliation and reality sink in.
But I think I like your fate for him better.
Listening to what everyone says about him, and able to do nothing more than beep beep.
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)I'd let him sit there in his soiled diaper for hours moaning and crying.
I'd also have him propped in front of a TV that played nothing but MSNBC 24/7. Maybe for a change of pace, show footage of all the people happy to see Obama.
lindysalsagal
(20,584 posts)AllaN01Bear
(17,998 posts)niyad
(113,074 posts)thaat would be released???
gab13by13
(21,264 posts)The evidence is there.
When we see Mark Meadows go before a grand jury then expect an indictment. Garland is an institutionalist so he will consider the sanctity between a president and his Chief of Staff. With that said, these stolen document crimes are so egregious that Garland has no choice but to indict. I think.
Lovie777
(12,218 posts)even by thought.
gab13by13
(21,264 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,422 posts)and will be charged with if we're just patient a few more years.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Ms. Toad
(33,999 posts)It is only a crime of the writing destroys the usefulness of the document.
Takket
(21,529 posts)Right now this is nothing but payments to his lawyers while he goes on about his life happy and free.
Botany
(70,447 posts).... nation's enemies aka Russia and Saudi Arabia (my guess)
He needs to be indicted, picked up, and locked up ASAP as national security and flight risk.
Trump also took the documents that had to do w/his links to Russia, the dirty 2016 election,
and his work along with others to overthrow our democracy so he could stay in power.
Lovie777
(12,218 posts)Botany
(70,447 posts)... Azerbaijan so deals with N. Korea would not surprise me. He has no scruples.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Secretly. Remember Jared was caught trying to set up a secret channel before dipshit was even prez. And Obama knew nothing about it.
My point is that if they were interested in secret ways to talk before, you know they somehow figured it out.
Botany
(70,447 posts).... the White House. Because Trump is just semi literate so he had to have had help in selecting
"the right documents." I would bet on Flynn, Stone, and Manafort and as per back channel
communications with Russia/Vlad, Saudi Arabia, China, and ?? I would bet on Erik Prince, Bannon,
Flynn and Manafort. I would not rule out links to Russia via Fox News/Murdoch family. Also it
looks like Merde a Logo was wide open, had the stolen documents and God only knows who all
went through there?*
* https://nypost.com/2022/08/26/ukrainian-woman-inna-yashchyshyn-posing-as-rothschild-family-member-infiltrated-mar-a-lago/
Ukrainian woman posing as Rothschild family member infiltrated Mar-a-Lago: report
I wonder how many of the documents were scanned and made digital PDQ?
Captain Zero
(6,785 posts)nt
kentuck
(111,052 posts)How do they know he was packing "secret" documents?
If it is just one witness, it could be rather difficult, in my opinion.
brush
(53,743 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 4, 2022, 11:49 AM - Edit history (1)
to tell the NA that all the documents were sent back. Lawyers can knowingly lie.
Another witness saw trump personally go through docs and decide which ones he wanted to keep and which to sent back.
Both things reported this morning on "Morning Joe."
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Scrivener7
(50,916 posts)Johonny
(20,818 posts)He's guilty a million ways to one. He said he didn't have documents, had them. Any other human, he's guilty.
malaise
(268,712 posts)we knew he was guilty
Lock him up!
FBaggins
(26,721 posts)The ruling that he appears to be relying on appears to say that the determination between "presidential records" and "personal records" is at the president's sole discretion to make. Now... that's supposed to happen as the records is created. But it could damage that defense (which might not be made for months) to have someone else segregate things based on their own interpretation of what belonged in each category.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Lawyer is who's analyzing laws for him. Definitely adds to motive.
EndlessWire
(6,459 posts)The dude stole top secret, classified documents. Got caught red handed. Multiple documents. To me, there is no way that he can claim those documents are his, a "Presidential record," or anything but what they are. That should get him twenty years in Supermax. So, to me it's small potatoes trying to figure out if his grocery list is a Presidential record, for which there is no penalty under PRA.
jalan48
(13,842 posts)news scandal investigations of Democrats when they win back control of the House and/or Senate. The media will love and hype these investigations ad nauseum.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,422 posts)Next year at this time, corporate media coverage may well be "tRump who?"
jalan48
(13,842 posts)Dios Mio
(429 posts)We are running out of time. He is going to walk.
newdayneeded
(1,954 posts)There's enough evidence there that would have you or I in our 3rd day of trial already.
I've said this before here, I'm guessing there were risk assessments done about how much civil unrest it would cause with an indictment that showed a too dangerous situation. The feet dragging is on purpose.
He's too big to be indicted.
I sooooooo hope I'm wrong!
PlutosHeart
(1,262 posts)and somehow make up in their make believe denial land that he still retains some Executive Privilege. I have seen this coming for a long time. This is all too slow and orange pile should have been in jail. Period.
SCOTUS makes it up as they go. And exactly how will that be fixed? It will not.
Sorry I am so bitter and pissed right now. I need a drink I think.
Dios Mio
(429 posts)have a crystal ball. That extra padding on the Supreme Court is about to go ching ching ching.
SergeStorms
(19,186 posts)He might have been the covfefe boy for a short time, but I doubt Trump would be able to recognize Trump and pick him out in a lineup.
rambler_american
(789 posts)Paper Roses
(7,471 posts)And of course the other properties, especially the golf courses.
EndlessWire
(6,459 posts)Unadorned. Something is not right. And, who gets cremated in an urn and then buried in a coffin? Nah, something isn't right about that. If we dug her up and looked, at least we'd know.