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Oh Dear God 10/22/22 Bund Rally Manheim, Pennsylvania Please tell me this is a put on. (Original Post) Botany Oct 2022 OP
Yep.... PCIntern Oct 2022 #1
I have lived in PA too. Botany Oct 2022 #3
Ex-actly. PCIntern Oct 2022 #5
When i was a boy in Meadville, PA our next door neighbor was the County DA and his brother was ... Botany Oct 2022 #7
Pennsyltucky happybird Oct 2022 #6
That's what we used to call it. SergeStorms Oct 2022 #26
Omg 😄 (Sighhhh) electric_blue68 Oct 2022 #35
Traveled there, didn't live there Warpy Oct 2022 #32
Trump has to appeal to QAnon FelineOverlord Oct 2022 #2
But when the war broke out he came right back to the Fatherland like a good little Bundist. TheBlackAdder Oct 2022 #58
Jesus said ... NanceGreggs Oct 2022 #4
No kidding! Right on the money here. bluestarone Oct 2022 #9
Bingo. /nt spudspud Oct 2022 #19
I have always viewed TFG as the AntiChrist described in yellowdogintexas Oct 2022 #48
Amen NGeorgian Oct 2022 #14
They do exactly the opposite... 3catwoman3 Oct 2022 #23
Today's sermon at my church....... MyOwnPeace Oct 2022 #30
I have to admit. From a comedic perspective, these events would be a riot to attend. Vinca Oct 2022 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2022 #10
Yeah. I used to go to some holy-roller / pentacostal / nazarene / crazy events erronis Oct 2022 #20
Father Coghlan lives! (Hear Rachael Maddow's ULTRA podcast) Thunderbeast Oct 2022 #11
SERIOUSLY!?!?! MyOwnPeace Oct 2022 #31
Aren't these the people that crucified Christ? world wide wally Oct 2022 #12
Yes. onecaliberal Oct 2022 #16
Time travelers? wnylib Oct 2022 #44
Some things are just timeless world wide wally Oct 2022 #49
But who are the "these people" being referred to in wnylib Oct 2022 #50
"Fake Patriots" world wide wally Oct 2022 #51
Yes, and also murdered Jews in Medieval pogroms DBoon Oct 2022 #56
Scary shit !!!! nt TeamProg Oct 2022 #13
I read a comment somewhere bucolic_frolic Oct 2022 #15
Where to begin with this kind of statement? wnylib Oct 2022 #39
German American Bunds with Fascist leaning were all over yellowdogintexas Oct 2022 #46
I am aware of the German American Bunds in the US that supported Nazi Germany. wnylib Oct 2022 #53
It's not ethnic ancestry, of course. It's cultural ties that bind them together. bucolic_frolic Oct 2022 #52
My German born great aunt, sister of wnylib Oct 2022 #54
definitely! Huge concentration of these groups there and yellowdogintexas Oct 2022 #47
German immigrants in the early 19th century tended to be socialists DBoon Oct 2022 #57
They're all fucking insane. spanone Oct 2022 #17
It's worse than that, it's stochastic terrorism. LudwigPastorius Oct 2022 #18
That Julie Green Prophet is a real nut job. Sadly she has a lot of followers who are just as nutty progressoid Oct 2022 #25
They're not nutty.... SergeStorms Oct 2022 #28
Maybe THIS could end up like moses and the TEN Cammandments movie bluestarone Oct 2022 #33
first born of the Egyptians died; Jews were spared yellowdogintexas Oct 2022 #45
Chris Wallace & Rachel made the list KS Toronado Oct 2022 #34
What an... interesting assortment of "villains" there. 🤔 ShazzieB Oct 2022 #40
The Bund Feb 1939 VGNonly Oct 2022 #21
This is one of the events in the book "Gangsters & Nazis" yellowdogintexas Oct 2022 #42
That's not how this works.... multigraincracker Oct 2022 #22
I talked to Jesus, he says pwb Oct 2022 #24
Watch the Frontline documentary on Flynn Deminpenn Oct 2022 #27
ha that ship of fools sailed years ago🤣 bringthePaine Oct 2022 #29
That is so scary and nuts. I live in PA. This has to be in central PA. debm55 Oct 2022 #36
Issuing orders to the almighty? ohhhh myyy. niyad Oct 2022 #37
Divine Intervention Mblaze Oct 2022 #38
Always look for the grifting angle. Fleecing the flock is the game. BSdetect Oct 2022 #41
I left 20 years ago IronLionZion Oct 2022 #43
Apparently not a joke dwayneb Oct 2022 #55

Botany

(70,447 posts)
3. I have lived in PA too.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 11:41 AM
Oct 2022

Philadelphia in the east, Pittsburgh in the west and lots of Alabama every where else.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
7. When i was a boy in Meadville, PA our next door neighbor was the County DA and his brother was ...
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 11:52 AM
Oct 2022

... Gov. Ray Shafer one of the finest men you would ever meet. He loved playing ball with
the kids, just being part of the neighborhood (very middle class neighborhood and a different
time), he supported education, unions, civil rights, the environment, infrastructure, and he
was a republican too. Hopefully the Ds can win the Governor spot and the senate too in PA
this fall.

Those people are howling mad bat shit crazy.

Putin installed Trump to rip America apart from the inside and in that he was successful.

SergeStorms

(19,186 posts)
26. That's what we used to call it.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 01:16 PM
Oct 2022

I went to College at Alfred U. and it was quite an adventure when we'd wander into Pennsylvania once in a great while. 😳

Warpy

(111,162 posts)
32. Traveled there, didn't live there
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 01:44 PM
Oct 2022

Dixie was bad enough, parts of PA are a total nightmare.

This blowhard did confirm my atheism once again, no lightning in sight. Any god worthy of the name would have burnt him to a crisp on the spot.

FelineOverlord

(3,571 posts)
2. Trump has to appeal to QAnon
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 11:41 AM
Oct 2022

Because he’s losing so many “fans”

They are what he has left

I read that when the U.S. trucker convoy finally arrived in DC, all that remained were all Q

TheBlackAdder

(28,167 posts)
58. But when the war broke out he came right back to the Fatherland like a good little Bundist.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:08 PM
Oct 2022

.

Starting at around 1:40.



.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
4. Jesus said ...
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 11:42 AM
Oct 2022

... his followers should feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, care for the sick, and welcome the stranger.

Remind me again how Trump and his minions are following those teachings ...

bluestarone

(16,867 posts)
9. No kidding! Right on the money here.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 12:07 PM
Oct 2022

The ONLY way i can understand what's happening is SATAN time here. WAY to hard for me to understand it. I compare it to the first movie in the Left Behind series. That's all i can say.

yellowdogintexas

(22,231 posts)
48. I have always viewed TFG as the AntiChrist described in
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 02:44 PM
Oct 2022

Revelation. Assuming all that is really supposed to happen of course.

I just hope we are not in for 1000 years of this garbage

MyOwnPeace

(16,919 posts)
30. Today's sermon at my church.......
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 01:37 PM
Oct 2022

was about 'the good Samaritan' - a man was beaten & robbed and left in a ditch by a road. Two others (a priest and a merchant) crossed to the other side of the road to 'avoid' involvement. Finally, a Samaritan stopped to help, put him up in an inn, and we're told this is how we should act. (Luke 10: 25-27).

So I asked (to myself........) - if someone were to put immigrants on a plane and send them off to a different place WITHOUT a plan in place to care for them, would that make them 'good Samaritans?'

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
8. I have to admit. From a comedic perspective, these events would be a riot to attend.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 11:53 AM
Oct 2022

This baloney is pathetic, of course, but it would be a laugh from beginning to end.

Response to Vinca (Reply #8)

erronis

(15,183 posts)
20. Yeah. I used to go to some holy-roller / pentacostal / nazarene / crazy events
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 01:00 PM
Oct 2022

just for the grins. Ululating and squirming in the aisles. Dumping their chump change in the grifting buckets.

Now I don't think I want to abuse myself any more for that type of sport.

Thunderbeast

(3,400 posts)
11. Father Coghlan lives! (Hear Rachael Maddow's ULTRA podcast)
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 12:29 PM
Oct 2022

These sheeple are convinced that Jesus and Trump will deliver them buck-and-a-quarter diesel for their new F-150, a new 84 inch teevee for the double-wide, and a Super Bowl win for the Steelers while they wait to be raptured.

MyOwnPeace

(16,919 posts)
31. SERIOUSLY!?!?!
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 01:40 PM
Oct 2022

If they're from the Manheim area you KNOW that they are praying for the Eagles or Redskins (yeah, they're not gonna' let any 'BC' bullshit mess with the GAWD-given name of their team!).

wnylib

(21,341 posts)
50. But who are the "these people" being referred to in
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 03:05 PM
Oct 2022

the post that says they killed Jesus?

As for timelessness, I'd hate to be held accountable for the actions of people from before I was born.

bucolic_frolic

(43,058 posts)
15. I read a comment somewhere
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 12:40 PM
Oct 2022

The region from central New England westward past the Great Lakes were populated early with German populations fleeing the Thirty Years' War. So yes, you could rouse a Bund movement there at any given moment.

wnylib

(21,341 posts)
39. Where to begin with this kind of statement?
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 02:19 PM
Oct 2022

Are you referring to the Jewish Labor Bund movement of eastern Europe? Or the German American Bund of the 1930s? The word "bund" means federation and Yiddish and German have many similar words and phrases.

The implication that a person's ethnic ancestry would determine their political view is offensive. If that were true, shouldn't the Italian Americans who settled in that same Great Lakes region be eager for a Mussolini type uprising?

How do you account for my uncle, whose parents were born in Germany but brought to the US as children by their own parents? In the Great Lakes region, in fact. That uncle served in the US Army during WWII in Europe, was captured and spent 2 years in a German POW camp. Somehow, throughout those two years, despite Germans having control over his life or death, he managed to stifle the genetic tendency to Nazism that you seem to believe exists in people of German descent.



yellowdogintexas

(22,231 posts)
46. German American Bunds with Fascist leaning were all over
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 02:41 PM
Oct 2022

the place. They were fascist because they wanted to be, not because they were German. They ran camps for essentially a copy cat version of Hitler Youth. By no means do these groups represent all German-Americans at the time.

There were many bona fide hate groups (resurgence of the KKK, for example) which arose here in the decade prior to the war, and not all of them were of German ancestry. However, the Germans seemed to dominate these groups.

I learned a lot about this from "Gangsters vs Nazis" a very good book on the subject.

Interestingly there isn't mention in the book of Italian-American fealty to the ideals of Mussolini. There must not have been much of that going on.

wnylib

(21,341 posts)
53. I am aware of the German American Bunds in the US that supported Nazi Germany.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 03:36 PM
Oct 2022

Last edited Sun Oct 23, 2022, 08:20 PM - Edit history (2)

But I was responding to a post that implied that, due to large numbers of German immigrants from COLONIAL times into later years, it should be easy to promote Nazi oriented German bunds today in regions where German immigrants from generations ago settled.

A parallel comparison: There were Irish American Catholics who donated to the support of the Irish IRA during The Troubles in Northern Ireland. Does that mean that, today, descendants of Irish Americans could be easily recruited to stirring up a return to the hostilities and violence? President Biden is both Catholic and Irish. I can't imagine him supporting it.

Neither can I imagine descendants of German immigrants today being easier to recruit into Nazism solely based on their ethnic ancestry. Fascism transcends ethnicity. Just look at the occupied nations from WWII that were willing collaborators.



wnylib

(21,341 posts)
54. My German born great aunt, sister of
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:22 PM
Oct 2022

my German-born grandmother, lived with us during my childhood, so I was exposed to a lot of German culture, as well as German language when German speaking friends of hers visited her. Plus, we were members of a Lutheran church that was founded by German immigrants to the US.

Yet, I never felt any affinity to Nazism growing up. Neither did Aunt Emma or any of the rest of my huge extended German American family. I was 11 years old during the televised Eichmann trial for war crimes against Jews. When I came home from school for lunch, my mother and Aunt Emma were watching the trial. They would not let me see it because they considered the topic unsuitable to a child. But I remember Aunt Emma crying over what her homeland had become. She was only 6 years old when her parents brought her and her siblings to the US, but German language and culture at home were very much a part of her upbringing.

When I was in grade school in the 1950s, 2 Italian immigrant families arrived in our city and their kids went to my school. Their parents had lived through Mussolini's Italy. They were not fascists. In fact, they were so anti fascist that that's how they got their visa to immigrate to the US. Their families had been partisans who worked with the US military in Europe during WWII. I guess that "Italian culture" fascism did not sink in to them, although they seemed culturally Italian to me in language, food, and religion.

Culture and politics are not the same thing. Japanese culture has not produced another emperor worshipping generation trying to conquer Asia. German culture has not produced another Hitler trying to conquer the world. In fact, during the Trump years, it was Angela Merkel's Germany that was respected as the leader of the free world during America's absence from that role under Trump.

And the notion that descendants of German immigrants from COLONIAL times would be susceptible to fascism due to the culture of their ancestors from over 200 years ago is ludicrous. My maternal grandmother came to America when she was 3 years old in 1890, decades before the FIRST World War, and therefore, even longer before WWII. They identified with German culture, but had ZERO identification with the German politics of Nazism.

My maternal grandfather's family was from Germany, too. They arrived in the US in 1888, also long before both world wars. They also identified with German culture, but not with the politics of Nazism. In fact, they came to the US because my great-grandfather was part of a liberal political movement in Germany for a parliamentary government and was threatened with arrest by Kaiser Wilhelm II. That parliamentarian movement in Germany that great grandpa supported was not a new, radical idea. Germans had tried to implement that kind of government in 1848. In the 1880s, it was Kaiser Frederick and his British wife, Victoria (daughter of Queen Victoria) who led the parliamentarian movement in Germany. But Kaiser Frederick died in 1888 and his son, Kaiser Wilhelm II was an absolutist monarch due to the strong influence that Bismarck had on him. Wilhelm arrested his father's reform supporters so my great grandfather escaped out of the country with help from some friends.

Facts and history disprove the bigoted idea that descendants of German immigrants are culturally susceptible to fascism. For example, Eisenhower is a German name, but he led the Allied Forces in Europe against fascism.


yellowdogintexas

(22,231 posts)
47. definitely! Huge concentration of these groups there and
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 02:43 PM
Oct 2022

down into New York/New Jersey & Pennsylvania

Chicago, Detroit and LA were other locations

DBoon

(22,340 posts)
57. German immigrants in the early 19th century tended to be socialists
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:34 PM
Oct 2022

They were fleeing the repression following the 1848 rebellions in European German lands.

LudwigPastorius

(9,110 posts)
18. It's worse than that, it's stochastic terrorism.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 12:51 PM
Oct 2022

Clark and Flynn put a "hit list" up on the big screen for their cultists to act upon.

SergeStorms

(19,186 posts)
28. They're not nutty....
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 01:26 PM
Oct 2022

They're freaking insane. Anyone who actually believes that crap is down the road, full tilt bozo INSANE! 😳

There should be a domestic terrorist watch on those lunatics. They're not a religion, they're a doomsday cult.

bluestarone

(16,867 posts)
33. Maybe THIS could end up like moses and the TEN Cammandments movie
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 01:44 PM
Oct 2022

When the Romans called for DEATH to the FIRST born of every Hebrew. Ended up the first born of the Romans died! So by the RETHUGS own words here, calling for death to the Democrats.

yellowdogintexas

(22,231 posts)
45. first born of the Egyptians died; Jews were spared
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 02:31 PM
Oct 2022

because they marked their homes with lamb's blood and the spirit of death 'Passed Over' them.

Nero ordered the deaths of firstborns at time of Christ, but thanks to the Wise Men they escaped to Egypt.

KS Toronado

(17,155 posts)
34. Chris Wallace & Rachel made the list
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 01:53 PM
Oct 2022

How dare they tell the truth, repugs want LIES, LIES & more LIES only.
"Hit Lists" like this should get automatic visits from the FBI.

ShazzieB

(16,281 posts)
40. What an... interesting assortment of "villains" there. 🤔
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 02:20 PM
Oct 2022

There's a bunch I can't identify, a lot that I already knew the RW hates, and a few surprises! I wonder what John Roberts and Lindsey Graham did to get on their shit list?

yellowdogintexas

(22,231 posts)
42. This is one of the events in the book "Gangsters & Nazis"
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 02:28 PM
Oct 2022

The Jewish mob went after these groups (at the behest of a Judge in New York) Very interesting book.

There were bunds like this all over the country in most major cities. The New York/New Jersey area had the most but the largest one was the one Rachel talks about - Los Angeles.

Father Coughlin is also discussed in the book.

Deminpenn

(15,265 posts)
27. Watch the Frontline documentary on Flynn
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 01:17 PM
Oct 2022

He was raised by a fanatically religious catholic mother and activisit (think Alito). She took him to anti-abortion and other activist rallies when he was a boy. That's where all the kooky religious stuff comes from.

debm55

(24,903 posts)
36. That is so scary and nuts. I live in PA. This has to be in central PA.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 02:01 PM
Oct 2022

It's like they started their own religion.

Mblaze

(257 posts)
38. Divine Intervention
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 02:14 PM
Oct 2022

Like when he paid off Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen went to jail for it? If so, then God is an un-indicted co-conspirator.

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